Raciel Traits = gg

[Lightzedge]

I dun know about any of you but whats ure stance on Race traits..how important are they?

i for one... dont even know if ill play retail until race traits are in the game... there such a significant blueprint into not only what race im going... but what faction.. horde/alliance...

If blizzard doesnt implement for retail..

thats prolly theE dumbest move ive ever seen

[Adinion]

Well even if they didn't implement them I will still play. The game is still playable without talents, although it would be nice to see what they are. I'm making a troll because I want it to be a surprise for me when we finally do get the talents.

[Real]

Do Orc's have their trates yet?

[Lightzedge]

ok...
lets say orcs get something like.......active bloodlust.. lasts 10 seconds.. increases any melee/magic damage

and gnomes get........what? treasure hunting....

so level 60 gnome warr/orc war.. go at it... activates his racial trait.. bloodlust......

gnome "Dont worry......i got my TREASURE HUNTING" lets go hunt some treasure guys!?!??!?!?!?!?!

EAT SHIT

[Setzar]

Eh, I expect they will have something along the lines of racial trates by retail. Doesn't matter that much to me, I'll be Orc regarldess.

[Adinion]

I don't feel that they are going to ruin the racail traits of the classes. I think one will be useful for each, but its preference. I think troll's will get something along the lines of regenerating hp MAYBE mp faster then anyone else. The other classes I'm not even entirely sure.

[Legardrith]

ok...
lets say orcs get something like.......active bloodlust.. lasts 10 seconds.. increases any melee/magic damage

and gnomes get........what? treasure hunting....

so level 60 gnome warr/orc war.. go at it... activates his racial trait.. bloodlust......

gnome "Dont worry......i got my TREASURE HUNTING" lets go hunt some treasure guys!?!??!?!?!?!?!

EAT SHIT

Alright, First of all(I know you were just making an example), I doubt Orcs would get bloodlust in any form as a class had it taken away. Second of all, Treasure Hunting may not be useful in combat but out of combat it's probably a pretty good ability, I'm sure you could find some good quality equipment. Gnomes are tinkerers by nature. About undead: Who cares if they're immune to multiple forms of CC, a Warlock's nightmare of course... But not that bad for a Paladin or Priest. Plus, There's this whole "A race having an advantage over a class." Argument, What about a class having an advantage over an entire race? That sounds worse to me. I think even once they get all the racial traits in it won't be "balanced", IMHO I don't think they'll be anywhere near the Undead's racial traits... Sometimes you have to look at character concept instead of performance, But the alliance has Priests, And, Of Course, Paladins to counter the undead.

[thglid5]

lol roflz

the thing is, some racial traits will make certain race the superior X class. like if troll gets some uber regeneration, like most trolls in most fantasy settings, then trolls might make better warriors than certain other race.

in all honesty, i dont see anything matching the huge immunity benefits of the undead.

ialso dont see anything "original" for the other races, all i see are possible boring stuff that are just multiplied 100x to match the immunity crap.

[Zosimus]

a tauren warrior and an orc warrior are only as good as the person using it

[Lightzedge]

ok .... all and all...
u could be some stupid class warrior like.... wtvr elf or something...

the statistics mean nothing come later in the game.. a night elf warr is just as good as a tauren/orc warrior...

The thing that seperates the 2 are.... Race traits.... Race for faction...

If 1 race gets some uber raciel trait for any sense.. i dun care of all my friends.. wtvr are alliance/horde.. whoever gets it is the race im going.

and since u cant really sell off wow items because of soulbound...
a skill which makes items or helps u find them is useless... because eventually everyone will have those items if there uber as hell...

Which cancels out everything but race traits...
Again.. blizzard in general is just Stupid for not implementing them ... especially if they dont for retail.. any REAL pvp player will study every aspect of a race/class/even NAME b4 making ...

Ud can still beat a paladin... u just better be good... and have a good build

[thglid5]

ok .... all and all...
u could be some stupid class warrior like.... wtvr elf or something...

the statistics mean nothing come later in the game.. a night elf warr is just as good as a tauren/orc warrior...

The thing that seperates the 2 are.... Race traits.... Race for faction...

If 1 race gets some uber raciel trait for any sense.. i dun care of all my friends.. wtvr are alliance/horde.. whoever gets it is the race im going.

and since u cant really sell off wow items because of soulbound...
a skill which makes items or helps u find them is useless... because eventually everyone will have those items if there uber as hell...

Which cancels out everything but race traits...
Again.. blizzard in general is just Stupid for not implementing them ... especially if they dont for retail.. any REAL pvp player will study every aspect of a race/class/even NAME b4 making ...

Ud can still beat a paladin... u just better be good... and have a good build

thanks for repeating what everyone knows and agrees on.

[Zosimus]

"REAL pvp player will study every aspect of a race/class/even NAME b4 making"

No, a "real pvp player" knows that if the person controlling the char sucks, it doesn't matter.

On another note, assuming English is your first language, go back to middle school. You're posts are hard as hell to read.

[Lightzedge]

yeah bro.. because i know im in Lit class right now?

Lemme throw in some Intricate! words here and there?

honestly i hate losers who throw in Fix your spelling posts....
man i swear your the first to go when i see you in this game bud

[Havelock]

No racial traits will be as impressive as the undead traits, because no other race has explicit counterclasses. I doubt any of the racial traits will be a game-breaking deal; Blizzard's done a pretty good job of balancing stuff so far.

And if you think "intricate" is an impressive enough word that you need to italicize it to show everyone how awesome you are, you should demand a better lit teacher.

[Excrucio]

Noone's talking about your spelling. It's the order of the words you use. They make no sense at all. Learn how to declare a point so people know what your talking about.

[Excrucio]

"If 1 race gets some uber raciel trait for any sense.. i dun care of all my friends.. wtvr are alliance/horde.. whoever gets it is the race im going."


What English class teaches you how to talk like that?

[Lightzedge]

MAN - O - MAN

You guys really want it uh....

i agree with the 1st dude though...

except i dont agree how blizzard balanced the game..

the peak of the game was warriors owning.
so instead of upping classes to compete with warriors
they dropped warriors to level with other classes..

Not cool man

[Zosimus]

yeah bro.. because i know im in Lit class right now?

Lemme throw in some Intricate! words here and there?

honestly i hate losers who throw in Fix your spelling posts....
man i swear your the first to go when i see you in this game bud

I'd hope that you'd know what class you're in!

And I find it funny that you don't know what "intricate" means, but try to use it to make a point.

ggkthxbye ~_~

Go play the game, then comment on racial traits.

[Lightzedge]

Play the GAME????

umm i did play it

Zos.. Be sure to let me know your ingame name for open/retail to uh

now get your fatass on outta here.. b4 i cut some bacon off your back

[Zosimus]

Mokgar, orc warrior, is my current project. I have a level 60 priest and level 60 warlock, but I don't play them much anymore, except to make stuff.

Going to make a rogue once Mokgar hits 50, rogue name will be "Love".

As if you can purely go around looking for me to pvp :P

[Saxony]

The racial traits are stressing me out as well for a couple of reasons. First off the undead ones are insane to begin with, and while they're balanced for PVP (if you count their racial specific spells) they're still broken for PVE. If other racial traits are that insane then the best class/race combos will start to show up. The other thing that bothers me is that if they do change them later then you might end up having played a class/race combo for however long, only to want to change to a different race because of the changes. I think blizzard really screwed the pooch on this one. I personally would've preferred some work being done to this before they finished things like dps and taunt. At least if you play a war or a rogue you know your dps and taunt will eventually get fixed and you have an idea of what it will be like when it is fixed. But we have no clue in the world what racial traits will be like for release or if they'll change later then release.

-Saxony

[JonChron]

This has all been considered. Has Blizzard ever let you down before?
You'll be happy to hear that racial abilities will be balanced in and outside of pvp. :D

[Landogarner]

Sax:

How exactly are undead racial traits unbalanced in PvE? You do know that undead are NOT IMMUNE to most of the CC spells that bosses/mini bosses use in PvE?

[Saxony]

Yeah well undead may be susceptible to most, but everyone else is susceptible to all. That should pretty much say it all. It's been said before in another thread, but there are practically no paladin mobs past lvl like 15. Very few mobs using shackle undead as well, though many may appear to be priests.

If you don't think having immunity to certain mob attacks is an advantage in pve I don't know what is. Even if you are only immune to one extremely specific type of attack, it's very easy to take advantage of your immunity by lvl'ing in areas that the attack is frequent, or the attack plays into strategy for fights. What other race has any advantages? So even if you don't consider it a major advantage it is still an advantage and that puts the UD at 1 with all other races at 0. PVE is easy to manipulate (one of the reasons I like pvp servers) so any advantage can be turned into a huge asset in PVE because mobs are predictable.

-Saxony

[thglid5]

Yeah well undead may be susceptible to most, but everyone else is susceptible to all. That should pretty much say it all. It's been said before in another thread, but there are practically no paladin mobs past lvl like 15. Very few mobs using shackle undead as well, though many may appear to be priests.

If you don't think having immunity to certain mob attacks is an advantage in pve I don't know what is. Even if you are only immune to one extremely specific type of attack, it's very easy to take advantage of your immunity by lvl'ing in areas that the attack is frequent, or the attack plays into strategy for fights. What other race has any advantages? So even if you don't consider it a major advantage it is still an advantage and that puts the UD at 1 with all other races at 0. PVE is easy to manipulate (one of the reasons I like pvp servers) so any advantage can be turned into a huge asset in PVE because mobs are predictable.

-Saxony

your logic sux, give it up. a few immunity in pve means absolutely ntohing. if you're gonna get wiped, charm/fear immunity aint gonna save you.

[Rhade]

Man if there is one thing im sick of its people saying... NERF UNDEAD! The reason that undead immunities are so strong is because there are 2 classes that IF PLAYED PROPERLY (notice the caps) can demolish them utterly. I especially hate when people were complaining about how undead have their traits first, if these traits weren't put in before retail anyone and everyone would be alliance preist / paladin because the undead race would be pretty much useless. Everyone will have their traits eventually and even if some are better than others in certain situations, I have faith in Blizzard that they will balance to the way they see fit.

[Anonymous]

"Also note that the client that you download will NOT be noticeably different from the last version of the beta that you played. In the days ahead, we will provide a patch that will update everyone's game client with the features, such as Paladin and Hunter talents and racial traits for all races, that you've been waiting for."



Traits are IN ! YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Rhade]

Woot! Now instead of gimme traits people are gonna be saying, OMG my race isnt as good with this class! Nerf Orcs cuz they are better warriors than my gnome plz! Then a few days later you will see posts like this... Please remove all racial traits from teh game, they are unbalanced. Ahh the cycle of the MMORPG.