warlock PvE / PvP build ....

[ToorC]

AQ40/BWL/Naxx build ... ??


What specc use the Nurfed members?


etc : p

[Soulless]

0/0/0

Spending talentpoints is for n00bs.

[ToorC]

kek

[MrO]

I think they are Soul Link (not positive).
http://www.nurfed.com/uploads/wow/wow225.jpg

Soul Link (http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?Ii0bZfxozgxotZxx0z):
If you have good gear, I think SL is a pretty good spec. I used it a while back, in PvP I lived alot longer and in PvE I had some pretty good options.

If I was the MT Imp bitch, I could still pump damage because of MD's Imp Buff (less threat). If I wasn't an imp bitch I could sac a pet and get some pretty nice buffs (minus the imp sac~~).

It is a pretty shard heavy spec. So make sure you find a good farming spot and load up ;)

Affliction:
My current spec (CoX) - http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?IE0bVRbkAZcxZxx0z
Another Spec I used for double Reach - http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?AA0bVRbkAZ0LZxx0pM

Must for PvP (IMO - newbie lock):
- Shadowburn (instant cast DD)
- Demonic Embrace (HP wins for locks)

Must all around:
- Imp Corruption (instant cast DoT)
- Imp Life Tap (More mana per hp)
- Bane (Faster Bolts)

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I think Soul Link is possibly the best spec at the moment. It's sort of a cheesy spec in my eyes, but it is pretty powerful for both PvE and PvP.

[Trixx]

Yea, soul link has been fotm for a while now in nurfed....

[Jedus]

MrO glad to see you have embraced your demonic lust. Have you tried Conflag?

[MrO]

MrO glad to see you have embraced your demonic lust. Have you tried Conflag?

For an hour. Wasn't my playstyle.

[Theldon]

I dont find soul link to be the "best spec" as for raiding your much better with MD/Ruin.

Conflag is probably the best pvp build as you have great burst dps. Which is key in pvp, in both solo and organized pvp. Soul Link is great for duels, but in organized pvp the warlock usually isnt the first target and its all just assist trains anyway. Being soul linked with your pet doesn't do you much good when your gangbanged by a 3-5 people. As we all know, gangbang on cloth = dead.

I've played around with Trixx's NF/Soullink build and its great for duels and thats about it, or solo pvp encounters. But in a group setting the flash of life drain makes you stick out like a sore thumb (see assist train above).

[Bhaltair]

All of us (Altiods, Nisstyr, Roddyrotten) are 31 Demonology, 11 Destruction, and 9 Affliction. If you want to PvP seriously (5-man, AB, WSG) Soul Link is a must. I disagree with the above poster, the job of a warlock is not burst damage it's support and locking down healers. The only viable burst damage we have is Shadowburn and Deathcoil situationaly (if you are channeling a SB then........). Fear, CoT, and Spell Lock is the bread and butter of the class. Most groups would target a warlock first if they know he isn't Soul Link. PvE wise, our specs are very good since we get the -threat % from imp buff. Life tapping is never really an issue and our dps is decent also.

[MrO]

All of us (Altiods, Nisstyr, Roddyrotten) are 31 Demonology, 11 Destruction, and 9 Affliction. If you want to PvP seriously (5-man, AB, WSG) Soul Link is a must. I disagree with the above poster, the job of a warlock is not burst damage it's support and locking down healers. The only viable burst damage we have is Shadowburn and Deathcoil situationaly (if you are channeling a SB then........). Fear, CoT, and Spell Lock is the bread and butter of the class. Most groups would target a warlock first if they know he isn't Soul Link. PvE wise, our specs are very good since we get the -threat % from imp buff. Life tapping is never really an issue and our dps is decent also.

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L2P Theldon ;D

Conflag is the TRUE solo spec, not SL.

[Jedus]

I like soul link but I hate the lack of range. with 9/31/11. I think Trixx had it right with 20/31. You have no burst though so meh. I dont think Warlocks should feel like they 'have' to be Soul Link though. This guy pulls of Conflag pretty well in 5v5.

Tiz 5
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-386586879651331459&q=tiz

[Trixx]

Yea...no...that video was awful..The first fight where he didn't get focused once, why didn't he use soulfire, or stick his pet on a caster?

[Jedus]

Dunno but thats how it goes on Illidanumba1pvp server EVA.

[MrO]

His spec had nothing to do with why his team won -_-;

His opponents were just awful.

[Theldon]

All of us (Altiods, Nisstyr, Roddyrotten) are 31 Demonology, 11 Destruction, and 9 Affliction. If you want to PvP seriously (5-man, AB, WSG) Soul Link is a must. I disagree with the above poster, the job of a warlock is not burst damage it's support and locking down healers. The only viable burst damage we have is Shadowburn and Deathcoil situationaly (if you are channeling a SB then........). Fear, CoT, and Spell Lock is the bread and butter of the class. Most groups would target a warlock first if they know he isn't Soul Link. PvE wise, our specs are very good since we get the -threat % from imp buff. Life tapping is never really an issue and our dps is decent also.

Soul link doesn't make that much of a difference in org pvp because if you are the assist train target you are dead. Nowadays all the warriors are running around with Ashkandi's and Dark Edge's and the Rogues with Chrom Sword and Dragon Claw can decimate regardless of healing support and soul link survivablility. Sure you can take a rogue or warrior that's geared out in 1v1, but its all about the assist train.

I agree with you that in org pvp the warlocks role is support, fear bomb/spell lock/curses. Sure soul link is great for this, but if you get focused you are dead.

PvE wise, the -%threat with a soul link spec isn't worth it. You dont' have Ruin so you aren't going to generate huge dumps of aggro. Sure your SB's are doing 900-1000dmg but thats not going to steal aggro of the MT unless you start chucking SBurns in quick succession. I dont see the point of -%threat if your really not causing threat anyway. The -%threat is great with MD/Ruin because your huge crits generate massive aggro.

If you doing heavy raiding, MD/Ruin is the best spec. If your doing PVP, Conflag is awesome.

[Trixx]

His spec had nothing to do with why his team won -_-;

His opponents were just awful.

Nor the fact that he was there :D

[MrO]

zing

[Noktyn]

Soul link doesn't make that much of a difference in org pvp because if you are the assist train target you are dead. Nowadays all the warriors are running around with Ashkandi's and Dark Edge's and the Rogues with Chrom Sword and Dragon Claw can decimate regardless of healing support and soul link survivablility. Sure you can take a rogue or warrior that's geared out in 1v1, but its all about the assist train.

I agree with you that in org pvp the warlocks role is support, fear bomb/spell lock/curses. Sure soul link is great for this, but if you get focused you are dead.

PvE wise, the -%threat with a soul link spec isn't worth it. You dont' have Ruin so you aren't going to generate huge dumps of aggro. Sure your SB's are doing 900-1000dmg but thats not going to steal aggro of the MT unless you start chucking SBurns in quick succession. I dont see the point of -%threat if your really not causing threat anyway. The -%threat is great with MD/Ruin because your huge crits generate massive aggro.

If you doing heavy raiding, MD/Ruin is the best spec. If your doing PVP, Conflag is awesome.


I know a soul link warlock that can tank 2 rank 14 warriors and a chrom sword rogue. You're going to die when you get trained on, no matter you are, you can't expect to always live. HOWEVER, what soul link has OVER any pewpew spec is the fact that it delays the train that much longer before you die. What's more valuable to your group? You dying in 2 seconds, or you dying in 30 seconds? I think the answer is pretty obvious.

[Calantus]

I notice every time the assist train is mentioned people seem to forget that those guys aren't just running around hitting people. They're getting snared and rooted and sheeped and feared and stunned while you're running around like an idiot being a PITA to take down. They also have other things to do like trying to stop the other assist train or disabling healers or are being trained themselves and need to concentrate on getting away/potting. Then you're also assuming the entire assist train is alive at the point you get targetted. Throw heals into the equation and you can quite often survive being the current train target. Yeah sometimes 2 warrs and a mage just light you up and there's nothing anybody can do, but those don't happen all the time.

[Theldon]

I notice every time the assist train is mentioned people seem to forget that those guys aren't just running around hitting people. They're getting snared and rooted and sheeped and feared and stunned while you're running around like an idiot being a PITA to take down. They also have other things to do like trying to stop the other assist train or disabling healers or are being trained themselves and need to concentrate on getting away/potting. Then you're also assuming the entire assist train is alive at the point you get targetted. Throw heals into the equation and you can quite often survive being the current train target. Yeah sometimes 2 warrs and a mage just light you up and there's nothing anybody can do, but those don't happen all the time.

Doesn't take me long to die with 2 Warriors on me... Windfury, Sword spec proc... gg. If there's a mage two im counterspelled and just raped silly.

[Calantus]

Doesn't take me long to die with 2 Warriors on me... Windfury, Sword spec proc... gg. If there's a mage two im counterspelled and just raped silly.

You're looking at worst case only.

[Soruss]

Doesn't take me long to die with 2 Warriors on me... Windfury, Sword spec proc... gg. If there's a mage two im counterspelled and just raped silly.

Get more stam.

[Theldon]

Get more stam.

Fight better geared players.

[Otzo]

When you say fight do you mean as in duels (seduce nuking equals skill) or group pvp? >:)

[Theldon]

When you say fight do you mean as in duels (seduce nuking equals skill) or group pvp? >:)

Group pvp

[Naikuja]

Fight better geared players.

Done, now get more stam ^^

[Bhaltair]

Doesn't take me long to die with 2 Warriors on me... Windfury, Sword spec proc... gg. If there's a mage two im counterspelled and just raped silly.

This is like a Priest saying "I'm going to die to a windfury train anyway so I'm going to spec shadow and DPS instead of heal."

[Soruss]

Fight better geared players.

Maybe you should get better geared yourself... by getting more stam.

[socratic]

If you bring a succubus and try to seduce nuke in a 5v5 and don't get instantly focused and raped down, you might want to fight someone else cause its not teaching you shit.

Without soul link and MD you don't have shit outside of death coil for surviving and your succubus gets murdered in two hits. You drop like a sack of shit cause you're a mage without blink / mana shield / ice block etc. Yes, you will die if you have two warriors with rank 14 swords who happen to proc sword spec/HoJ/windfury and crit everything. A Paladin would die to that, it doesn't prove anything.

Soul link gives more than added mit, its 60 to all resists, a second counterspell, a second defensive dispell if you're horde or a second offensive dispell if you're alliance, and since you're not entirely focused on nuking your target down, you can lock a team down with CoT's, fears, death coil, and a timered shadowburn to spike a target down.

Not speccing into something cause you're "going to die anyway" is a terrible reason, there are huge benefits to soul link in group pvp.