Undead vs. Pally

[RAWR]

I'm going to be an undead warlock or warrior when retail hits. It mostly depends on how the next 2 pets for warlock are in this open beta. Anyway I know paladins own undead but is it possible for us to kill them? Also which would you suggest would be most affective vs them; warrior or warlock? (I only played in stress test so I'm not too familiar)

[Real]

Paladins get like a 300+ holy dmg on undead i think, havnt really looked in a very long time.

[Sintor]

I'd wait to see exactly how bad the new paladin talents wreck undead.

[RAWR]

Yeah they get all sorts of neat things they can do to undead. That's why i'm wondering with the right skills/talents/abilities if it is possible to stand up to one. They also have things like if they get hit it does holy damage to the thing that hit it, and a fear specifically for undead.( I think)

[Sintor]

Yeah, they already have anti-undead skills, but with talents coming to increase the efficiency of those skills and possible new skills from talents... Ugh.

I can't even imagine what the ultimate talent would be in an anti-undead tree; something nasty for sure.

[Adinion]

So tell me this much. Can a 50 paladin own a 55-60 ud warrior/mage/priest? I just remember in stress test when I was on my 16 mage...a 12 paladin pretty much owned me, and I know I don't suck. So anyone in CB test that out?

[Switz]

I'm pretty sure the undead warrior/priest can do ok provided they play well. I think I read on the beta forums that pallys own undead mages though could be wrong there.

[Wyvvy]

im not gonna make up stories about other classes, but as a mage, when i encounter an even lvl paladin there are 2 scenarios:

1. I die.

2. I polymorph him and run.


an Undead mage cannot win against an even level paladin. Its impossible.

[KingHillBilly]

Paladins are pretty easy for me 1v1 when I'm shadow specced. They just can't do enough damage to me inbetween my shields and mind blast/flay takes them out pretty fast when they're feared + the dot although a good one will cleanse it.

I fear a rogue or a warrior much more than I do a pally because their dps is much greater. Fear owns paladins.

[Sintor]

im not gonna make up stories about other classes, but as a mage, when i encounter an even lvl paladin there are 2 scenarios:

1. I die.

2. I polymorph him and run.


an Undead mage cannot win against an even level paladin. Its impossible.

I call bs. You can win against a paladin... if his name says:

<AFK>

Booya!

[HeychP]

Yeah, they already have anti-undead skills, but with talents coming to increase the efficiency of those skills and possible new skills from talents... Ugh.

I can't even imagine what the ultimate talent would be in an anti-undead tree; something nasty for sure.

something like, AoE fear undead. lol

[kernel16]

Wait for the new racial traits and talents.

Blizzard said they are reworking the racial traits and "balancing" out the UD one, if the wow forums werent down id link ya.

[Lightzedge]

I agree...

Racial traits are the blueprint to any character that should be made..

dont set ure race b4 you see them and study them..

as for paladins vs ud.... Maybe certain classes can do ok.. ie priest..

My buddies level 46 paladin took a 39 warrior 45 rogue and 43 mage
all ud 3v1 sooooooo

when talents come....... :( owned k thnx

[Zosimus]

Although Paladins might be able to wreck undead, do note that Paladins are somewhat rare. Considering how warlocks, warriors, and priests [maybe more] can fear, you'll probably be happier picking undead to resist those 3.

And, no offence, but if a level 46 Paladin can take 3 others that are close-leveled, then the other three kinda sucked.

[HeychP]

Although Paladins might be able to wreck undead, do note that Paladins are somewhat rare. Considering how warlocks, warriors, and priests [maybe more] can fear, you'll probably be happier picking undead to resist those 3.

And, no offence, but if a level 46 Paladin can take 3 others that are close-leveled, then the other three kinda sucked.

Agreed.

[Lightzedge]

Could be............or it could be he just owns.......kinda like me..
and dont forget to leave the server ure going for retail... ill be sure to stop by

[Ralrra]

I remember a big discussion on this topic before Nurfed's servers went boom, and both Indal and Tivoli said Pally's were no problem whatsoever. A pally can be dangerous to an undead if it's well-played, but even well-played pally's aren't invincible to undead.

[kernel16]

I remember a big discussion on this topic before Nurfed's servers went boom, and both Indal and Tivoli said Pally's were no problem whatsoever. A pally can be dangerous to an undead if it's well-played, but even well-played pally's aren't invincible to undead.

Well tivolie no duh, i mean he can manaburn ~_~.

The probleme with most palys is they arent real smart when it comes to mana conservation, when they see an UD they go crazy and waste theyre mana on exorcism and anything anti-UD they have and think most will die fast but they dont... so now they are stuck manaless, a paly that has no mana is a target dummy at best. When you see an UD you should limit your use to only Seal of Right (+370 attk pwr) and turn UD and save exorcism for extreme needs. Also never use judgement as a 2nd exorcism... -_-. Save all other mana for healing. Again the str of a paly is not dps but to OUTLAST the others.

Basialy you keep yor self alive till your enemy is dead, ya its not as fun as just jumping in there like wars and doing insane dmg to kill ppl but it works lol.

edit: also palys dont have talents yet.

[HeychP]

I remember a big discussion on this topic before Nurfed's servers went boom, and both Indal and Tivoli said Pally's were no problem whatsoever. A pally can be dangerous to an undead if it's well-played, but even well-played pally's aren't invincible to undead.

Well tivolie no duh, i mean he can manaburn ~_~.

The probleme with most palys is they arent real smart when it comes to mana conservation, when they see an UD they go crazy and waste theyre mana on exorcism and anything anti-UD they have and think most will die fast but they dont... so now they are stuck manaless, a paly that has no mana is a target dummy at best. When you see an UD you should limit your use to only Seal of Right (+370 attk pwr) and turn UD and save exorcism for extreme needs. Also never use judgement as a 2nd exorcism... -_-. Save all other mana for healing. Again the str of a paly is not dps but to OUTLAST the others.

Basialy you keep yor self alive till your enemy is dead, ya its not as fun as just jumping in there like wars and doing insane dmg to kill ppl but it works lol.

edit: also palys dont have talents yet.

Thread closed, lol

Damnit you arch and outlasting :P

[alcaras]

I'm a troll mage and I have trouble with equal-level non-AFK paladins.

They can't exactly kill me but I can't exactly kill them :P

I don't want to think about it how bad it is for an undead mage.

Burst Damage Class vs. Outlasting Class = Draw

[Dagam]

Unstoppable force vs. immovable object?

[epidemik]

Although Paladins might be able to wreck undead, do note that Paladins are somewhat rare. Considering how warlocks, warriors, and priests [maybe more] can fear, you'll probably be happier picking undead to resist those 3.

And, no offence, but if a level 46 Paladin can take 3 others that are close-leveled, then the other three kinda sucked.

agreed, that's ridiculous, Klay (nurfed member) and I were grinding in alterac (i was on my warrior) we were lvls 36 and 35 and we took a 44 paladin three times in a row.

PS: Nurfed members tend to be smarter than the average player, could have been part of it

[Eko]

Unstoppable force vs. immovable object?

Creates a rip in the very fabric of space.

And kills a puppy.


http://www.bash.org

[kandahar]

just be cheap with sheep and make them blow their bubble. if they have high resist you are owned big time. 50 to all is hard to begin with, then they have thorium and you cant land ANYTHING... its retarded

[kandahar]

Although Paladins might be able to wreck undead, do note that Paladins are somewhat rare. Considering how warlocks, warriors, and priests [maybe more] can fear, you'll probably be happier picking undead to resist those 3.

And, no offence, but if a level 46 Paladin can take 3 others that are close-leveled, then the other three kinda sucked.

priest shackle > priest fear

[Jumai]

alcaras, like we said in chat, the way to beat a paladin as a mage is to force him to spend a lot of mana. The best way to do this is rank 1 frost bolt, they have to either cleanse the snare or get the snot blasted out of them.

Again, and again, and again.

Their mp are few enough for this to work.


and like Arch said, all pallies gain against undead is a fear (which doesn't help at all except as an inturrupt unless they use their inefficient nukes) and some melee dps. Granted, the melee dps hurts bad, but in 1v1 this isn't really an insurmountable disadvantage.