Fury, Arms & 2h, what will it be?

[aertifact]

Ey everyone, my name is Simen, and I'm an Alcoholic... Joke, yes a very bad one ;)

I recently got the hand of rag. I have been MS specced the whole time since I got it and even from lvl 40 I've been Arms specced. As you all prolly know, the one thing that sux with this weapon is the "mace specc" wich is utterly useless PvE wise(Except Strat, ZG.. easy anyways, right?). So I had the points spent in imp. Hamstring/Charge/Overpower, just for PvP.

My reasoning for not going fury before(w/ a 2h) is that I cant simply neglect the Sword/Axe/Polearm Specc. Now, that I can ignore the advantage from the arms three, I can reconsider the power of the fury three. Going fury, I will loose 2 skills; SS&MS, wich are really handy, but also very powerfull for trash/PvP and some boss encounters like Ebonroc. Other talents wich I must give up is rather sacrificable, like;
-Imp. OP
-Imp. Charge
-Imp. Hamstring(Ye I know, sucky sucky, but I find it rather funy and convinient)

So as you might understand I would like to hear from others wich have tryed out the fury three with a 2h, or even with this weapon aswell.

So my main questions;
-Any one tryed Fury with Hand of rag.?
-Should I put points in imp. Slam? Since I allready find good use of slam w/MS, I guess it will be even more used with a Fury specc, or am I wrong?
-How much will my damage change(+/-)? If positive, how much? Is it worth it to gimp yourself for PvP? Cause you are, right?
-Would you require a certain amount of crit%/AP to make good use of Flurry/Bloodthirst?
-Do a more fun playstyle come with the Fury Three?

Regards,
Evilsess Warrior 60 -Vashj-
Sess priest 60 -Vashj-
Quake Shaman 56 -Vashj-

[Anonymous]

Dont go Fury with a 2 hander.

If you do, especially for PvE damage dealing go imp slam.

I cannot believe i really said that.

Dont go Fury.

[WindiaN]

the fact that you can give up weapon spec because mace spec sucks doesn't mean its a good idea to give up mortal strike, get 2h spec or something

[Blu]

mace spec doesn't suck :/

[llaw]

i would never give up MS... mortal strike isnt good cause of the damage ...but because of the debuff

MS is just too good to give up for group pvp

[Belarin]

"Please go fury."

-Priest on opposing faction

[Theldon]

our dps warrior is fury

Death wish owns? Plus Bloodthirst at 1000AP is gg

[The_Higlander]

I recently got an UTB and went Fury spec - 18/33/0

Before I've been MS since I startet the Char, and I have to admit that Fury is really funny. PvP is definitly harder with no Ms, but in a good group with other Warris it's no difference since you don't lose the ms debuff. And yeah, you might lose MS/SS etc. But you gain Deathwish (omg!), Flurry (oh yeah!) AND imp. execute, imp. Zerker Rage, imp. Intercept. Sounds nice, doesn't it?^^

For sure you lack the Burst dmg, you can put out with ms. I wielded a Zin'Rokh with 31/20/0 spec before, and all MS crits/normal white crits went over 1k dmg on cloth or a sundered mob. With UTB i hit for 700/800 (unprocced :P). In PvE i see this as an advantage, especially in Zul'Gurub or MC/BWL Trashmobs - not so easy to steal the Aggro from the mt^^

Also the Rage gain is much better, thx to Flurry.

I'd definitly recommend you to give 2H Fury a try!

Here's the link to my template
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warriors/talents.html?0232500130200000000505010402501225100 000000000000000

And sorry for my english - i'm no native speaker :oops:

[Traumatize]

Imp. Slam is not worth it imo. At all.

Anyway give 2h fury a try, it's nice in PvE, and with Sulfuras it'll prolly own pretty hard.

In PvP however...

[Anonymous]

If you are talking PvE here, i do not see how Imp. Slam is NOT worth it tbh.

I see that with Flurry and Deathwish 2h Fury COULD deal massive Damage in PvE, but Imp Slam could help if you are not the one attacking.

I personally played a MS warrior with 2h Specc and Sulfuras, and it freaking owns.

I'd even consider Mace Specc, cuz a stun is better than no stun.

[RubiksCube]

If you wanna play 2h/Fury get Untamed Blade imo.

Anyways. If I was to play a Fury Warrior with 2h, be it Untamed or Sulfuras, I'd not even bother with Bloodthirst, especially with Sulfuras, cuz it doesn't scale with weapons.

So, I'd prolly end up playing 30 Fury, 21 Arms, taking up sweeping strikes is worth more than bloodthirst when playing 2h imo.

Here's my template for the people who care:

http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?LhGxbhboZVVzmMxRV

Edit: Oh, and yes, I've tried it on a friends warrior with Untamed and you CAN do spike damage.

http://files.wowszene.de/steviesig2.jpg

Once you get used to staying in melee range (you got to move a lot more and better, since HS doesn't have 5 yard default range, I played a druid though and it's the same with Maul) it "can" own pretty bad.

[aertifact]

If you are talking PvE here, i do not see how Imp. Slam is NOT worth it tbh.

I see that with Flurry and Deathwish 2h Fury COULD deal massive Damage in PvE, but Imp Slam could help if you are not the one attacking.

I personally played a MS warrior with 2h Specc and Sulfuras, and it freaking owns.

I'd even consider Mace Specc, cuz a stun is better than no stun.

Since you say fury&2h dont go together, you have tryed it out, right?

[bierbaum]

heroic strike sux in pve drunken :>

[RubiksCube]

Oh and about the more fun playstyle:

Of course, the most positive fact about this build is that

1.) You don't play a cookie cutter
2.) You can make use of pretty fun fury skills (Imp. Intercept, Deathwish)

That's fun for me, because I dunno, I don't wanna play like anyone else. You may be gimping yourself to a certain extend, because you won't have the debuff from MS and you'll have to wait for your next swing to attack, but flurry helps with that.

[RubiksCube]

heroic strike sux in pve drunken :>

Of course, you can't use Heroic Strike in PvE unless you're the Main Tank in your guild. If you are, no problem with that build, if you're not better use slam in PvE (even without improved) and you'll be fine. Prolly gonna loose some damage, but so what.

If you're really that interested in PvE, you can still go with that build gather some def equip and go main or off-tank.

Noone's gonna take aggro from you if you spam HS / Sunder :)

[Anonymous]

If you are talking PvE here, i do not see how Imp. Slam is NOT worth it tbh.

I see that with Flurry and Deathwish 2h Fury COULD deal massive Damage in PvE, but Imp Slam could help if you are not the one attacking.

I personally played a MS warrior with 2h Specc and Sulfuras, and it freaking owns.

I'd even consider Mace Specc, cuz a stun is better than no stun.

Since you say fury&2h dont go together, you have tryed it out, right?

Yes.

[^Deman]

i miss my 34 crit axt spec,sword/mace spec only suck bcz of lack on crit the stun isnt bad at all but in pve almoust useless(what types of mobs u meet in pve who are not immun against stun effects) and in case of sulfuras 3.8 speed just screams for instant attacks i dont think a low crit rate and flurry can balance the dmg you deal with ms

[aertifact]

Alot of intresting opinions here, but seems like I just have to try it out.

[Shigeru]

Well i'm currently 19/32/0 with Asskandy

I won't go back to MS, I rip everything apart in PVP and nobody comes close to me in Damage Charts in PVE. I love it, and will be sticking with it.

[aertifact]

Well i'm currently 19/32/0 with Asskandy

I won't go back to MS, I rip everything apart in PVP and nobody comes close to me in Damage Charts in PVE. I love it, and will be sticking with it.

May I see u'r gear?

[Anonymous]

lolfurylol

[dNa]

Well i'm currently 19/32/0 with Asskandy

I won't go back to MS, I rip everything apart in PVP and nobody comes close to me in Damage Charts in PVE. I love it, and will be sticking with it.

You dont have ms a good group in 5on5 will own all 5 of you and still have 5 alive, after that they will say omg fury owns soo much they didnt even kill one of us lmao :roll:

[Tangible]

In my experience unless you completely forgoe Bloodthirst you really have no reason to use a 2h with fury. Rage generation doesnt seem as fast, you wont get all your hits in before the bloodthirst healing buff times out and you wont generate rage fast enough to get another bloodthirst off when it does time out. Slams are useful but not really for PVP. Heroic strike will hit harder then slam and generate secondary/tertiary agro in PVE.


But i'm not 60 yet, so take that into account.

[Shakkha77]

you really need to be more precise in your question.

Are you talking PvP or PvE?

It is a very different story.

For PvE fury is quite nice, flurry does wonders with slow weapons. It is probably the most damaging spec, although as it was said previously, you can't really use heroic strike.

For PvP, well it depends. If you have a regular PvP group that already includes one or two MS warriors, then go fury, you'll be able to add a lot with some nice dps, and improve execute/intercept which are both great.

However if you do PuGs, or if you are the only warrior, not having MS is really gimping your group efficiency.

I personally love the 31/20 build that i am currently running, it is the best spike dps, nothing can compare to a MS & WW burst, and SS just plain own.

On a side note, mace spec isn't so horrible as people make it sound, in pvp it is quite handy, and in pve i can think of a few mobs in AQ for whom it might proove usefull. Although you'd prolly not use Sulfuras for those, you can get a tanking 1hander (hi qiraji).

[RubiksCube]

lolfurylol

Welcome to the Internet, where making an ass out of yourself is cool.

Get rid of that avatar already.

[Soruss]

lolfurylol

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