EverQuest2 PvP

[Savor]

Ok, i'll admit, I laughed a little on the inside when I heard about it. Let this be a discussion thread for those currently playing and/or know people who are playing it. I'm hearing good things, surprisingly. Some nice pvp shots perhaps, as well. Been Beta since I saw current shots of that game. gogo.

[Rekuul']

EQ2 has aids

[Triz]

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/showthread.php?t=18362

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/showthread.php?t=18461

[Apotheosis]

It's not awful, at least. More balance issues than WoW, less dynamic than WoW. A few good ideas that I think WoW should implement immediately, such as a Duel-for-gold option.

In short: the PvP is not as good as that in WoW, but it is surprisingly robust considering we're talking about EQ.

[Anonymous]

I fucking love it so far :D

[RubiksCube]

Taunts and Hate Reduction
Taunts have the ability to change players' targets in PvP. They can also keep targets focused on the taunter for short durations of time.

Spells that reduce hostile hate or lower your position on a creature's hate list can force players to completely lose their target. Examples would include a Scout's Evade or Templar's Placate.

This is something Blizzard should add immediately!

[Sintor]

It's not awful, at least. More balance issues than WoW, less dynamic than WoW. A few good ideas that I think WoW should implement immediately, such as a Duel-for-gold option.

In short: the PvP is not as good as that in WoW, but it is surprisingly robust considering we're talking about EQ.

Are you talking about the arena pvp mode that's like dota and dueling or the brand new pvp server/ruleset? Cause the server is fucking amazing with LESS balance issues than wow. Lay off the pipe. 40 Swash and counting, booyaka.

[dNa]

It's not awful, at least. More balance issues than WoW, less dynamic than WoW. A few good ideas that I think WoW should implement immediately, such as a Duel-for-gold option.

In short: the PvP is not as good as that in WoW, but it is surprisingly robust considering we're talking about EQ.

Are you talking about the arena pvp mode that's like dota and dueling or the brand new pvp server/ruleset? Cause the server is fucking amazing with LESS balance issues than wow. Lay off the pipe. 40 Swash and counting, booyaka.

Shit, pvp like dota sounds hot but leveling eq2 doesnt sound like fun.

[SandDemon]

..you cannot be serious. I've been looking for a good pvp game and you say EQ2? Do you not understand the pain you have brought to countless for mentioning EQ and PVP in the same sentence?!? Have you no decency bringing the Evercrack back to our lives?

HAVE YOU NO SOUL?!?

(so really, is it any good? :shock: )

[Khalaio]

Taunts and Hate Reduction
Taunts have the ability to change players' targets in PvP. They can also keep targets focused on the taunter for short durations of time.

Spells that reduce hostile hate or lower your position on a creature's hate list can force players to completely lose their target. Examples would include a Scout's Evade or Templar's Placate.

This is something Blizzard should add immediately!

worst idea ever

[SandDemon]

So seriously, mind giving some insight into this Sintour or others who have tried this out? I actually miss the FFA EQ server back in the day...and real interested to hear what you think ( a bit more in detail) - RFOnline really doesn't look like it's going to pan out as a game worth going into for the time being.

[Sintor]

Yes, it's great. Yes if you start now you will get ganked. Yes they have an amazing system in place for completely seperating pvp and pve. Yes they have the actual possibility of reaching balance. WoW can't because they will forever be trying to figure out how to make a mob encounter epic while not making you overpowered in PvP with the same skills/items. Yes you can loot money and items from other people. Yes dying to players does cause exp debt. Yes it is fun. And yes, tanks are actually useful in a defensive standpoint for the first time ... ever?

[Sintor]

Taunts and Hate Reduction
Taunts have the ability to change players' targets in PvP. They can also keep targets focused on the taunter for short durations of time.

Spells that reduce hostile hate or lower your position on a creature's hate list can force players to completely lose their target. Examples would include a Scout's Evade or Templar's Placate.

This is something Blizzard should add immediately!

worst idea ever

Actually no, it is amazing. Try playing it first.

[Devilnaut]

WoW can't because they will forever be trying to figure out how to make a mob encounter epic while not making you overpowered in PvP with the same skills/items.

How does EQ2 deal with this? Surely there are awesome items from PvE that are useful in pvp?

[Sintor]

WoW can't because they will forever be trying to figure out how to make a mob encounter epic while not making you overpowered in PvP with the same skills/items.

How does EQ2 deal with this? Surely there are awesome items from PvE that are useful in pvp?

All items and skills have a small checkbox on the examine page that says "PvP". When you click it, you see the effect it has in pvp. EQ2 literally designed a system that balances the two completely seperately. Take for instance a skill that prevents a mob from fleeing in PvE. If you click the checkbox, you would see that in PvP, it snares someone who is below 20% health. That is made up, but a real one would be my Swash skill that transfers 10% of my aggro to a member of my party. If you click the pvp box, you see that in player combat, the skill has a 10% chance of causing anyone doing damage to me to have their target forced onto the targetted party member, IE the tank.

Edit: Items are the same way. They could scale the raid game by 800x damage/mitigation/hp/whatever and make it continue to feel epic, while limiting the pvp side to a much more progressive 8x growth. The numbers are arbitrary, but you get the meaning.

[Theldon]

so you can just loot anything off a player?

[Jedus]

Wow Sintor you're really sold. One of my coworkers was talking about EQ2PVP with the same amount of energy. He was really hyped! The looting of people's gold and items really made my interest. Is there a trial for EQ2PVP?

[SandDemon]

Sounds awesome...yeah is there a trial Sintor? And what server do you play on (only one pvp)? Nurfed guild equivalent? I've been posting and trolling the boards for damn near 18 months maybe it's time I start playing with you guys :twisted:

Seriously though, trial?

[SandDemon]

also, how is the leveling these days? Is it the same ol' EQ grind? I guess besides the PVP I'm looking for improvements beyond EQ1

[Nastrand]

eq2 leveling is decently fast. stupid fast if a sorc or necro.
They have the bonus exp like wow.. Also they will pop up 5 days of dbl xp for everyone days..like right now since Sunday there has been dbl xp going on for anyone under 60.

[Sintor]

eq2 leveling is decently fast. stupid fast if a sorc or necro.
They have the bonus exp like wow.. Also they will pop up 5 days of dbl xp for everyone days..like right now since Sunday there has been dbl xp going on for anyone under 60.

Only on the PvE servers Nasty. They aren't going to drop those on the PvP servers just yet. There used to be something called Trial of the Isle, but the level cap on the island was lifted, so I'm not sure if they still do that. More details to come...

Edit: http://www.trialoftheisle.com/ I'm on qeynos/good side of Nagafen. I doubt you can do any of the PvP on the trial, the island is a safe zone that only lasts seven or eight levels. It does say seven day trial, so maybe you can go to the mainland now, I really don't know how they do the trial now that they changed the starting class system/island.

Edit 2: Something else to consider- EQ2 devs are listening to the PvP playerbase. They actually have a team doing mechanics specifically for PvP. After one week of play, they are already implementing fixes to some of the biggest bitch-points people had with PvP and they are daily fixing things wrong with the system.

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=pvp&message.id=27710

[Isaac]

Grats SOE for having a brain and not trying to balance PvP and PvE with the same ruleset. Too bad their handling of many portions of EQ1 jaded most of us into a state of emo and /wrists when it comes to their games ( GG "customer service").

Grats Blizzard on not more closely observing the failures of other MMO games when it comes to the basics. Perhaps they will repent before it is too late.

[SandDemon]

I'll probably try this out this week(end) - sent ya a PM sintor with some more questions.

[SandDemon]

Bunch of my buddies are going to try the 7-day trial. We'll see how it goes :)

[SandDemon]

Quick question since their forums seem chalk full of whiners and very little info.....what's the best debuffer in EQ2?

[Devilnaut]

Can somebody explain pvp looting?

[Futurity]

Can somebody explain pvp looting?
http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/news_ff.vm?FeatureName=pvp_combat&section=development

[Devilnaut]

Thanks.

Also:

Coin and Item Loot
In the event of an honorable death, players will drop a percentage of their coin into a chest that can be looted by anyone who gained rewards for the kill (or the player who died if they make it back to the chest in time).

Additionally, there is a chance that players will drop a single item from their non-equipped inventory upon death. These items are of Treasured quality and lower, and cannot be Attuned or No-Trade.

How often does an item drop? How significant is the amount of coin / potential value of pack items?

[Apotheosis]

I want to emphasize that I hate, hate HATE the separation of PvE and PvP in EQ2. The synthesis of the two is one of my favorite things about WoW, and keeps me interested in old content, and keeps my daily activities varied.

[Devilnaut]

I was under the impression that they were only balanced separately... surely getting a nice new weapon from a difficult mob is still a pvp upgrade?

[Soruss]

SOE has always been a horrible company in every respect. I'd be damn surprised if they didn't screw this up as well.

[LaughinMan]

SOE has always been a horrible company in every respect. I'd be damn surprised if they didn't screw this up as well.

yeah, i tried to take a look at the trial of the isle (or whatever) and i cant even activate it.

so far im not impressed.

[partoN]

I played the closed beta, i didn't buy the game because it didn't have any pvp.

I also tried the trial like 6months ago, max lvl was 6 and you had to buy it to leave the beginner island. Dunno if it changed

[SandDemon]

I want to emphasize that I hate, hate HATE the separation of PvE and PvP in EQ2. The synthesis of the two is one of my favorite things about WoW, and keeps me interested in old content, and keeps my daily activities varied.


Synthesis of the two? That has gotta be the dumbest statement about WoW I have ever heard. The seperation of the two allows for stuff useless in pve (taunt for example or rogue gear with +dodge) to be useful in pvp and vice versa because they can balance the two seperately.

I don't wtf game you play, but Blizzard has this problem of making "class of the month" with these reviews that just buff the class and balance problems every time a new instance comes out because the items are too strong in pvp - a perfect example is them toning down ZGC+ToEP. You just wait til 1.10 comes out and we start seeing massive amounts of Holy priests that wtfpwnbbq everyone in BGs...then they'll get toned down. Then mages will get a buff, then toned down....see where I'm going with this? Warriors are already bitching about their revamp because "omg, I'm not as cool as them now!"

Please....WoW PvP is an oxy-moron.

[tropic]

heya,
This is tropik from archi/deth. Just wondering what PvP server you guys rolled on. I'm on Nagafen as an Iskar SK/Ass (just deciding which I like better), with character names Tropik/Tropikk respectively.

[SandDemon]

think Sintor, me and some others are on Qeynos side....but I'm doing the trial, think others actual bought it alreadt

[Xenocide]

I want to emphasize that I hate, hate HATE the separation of PvE and PvP in EQ2. The synthesis of the two is one of my favorite things about WoW, and keeps me interested in old content, and keeps my daily activities varied.

riiight, because pvp in wow is so well done.

[Shotai]

I want to emphasize that I hate, hate HATE the separation of PvE and PvP in EQ2. The synthesis of the two is one of my favorite things about WoW, and keeps me interested in old content, and keeps my daily activities varied.

And I really want to emphasize how stupid of a statement this is. I truly and honestly though that NOBODY had thit thought pattern.

[fortysixn2]

Personally, the PvP ruleset is awesome. Exp debt, looting etc, world PvP is active and serves a purpose (wow should blantely rip these ideas immediately). But the PvP itself is nowhere near as polished as WoW. The combat is just cluncky and most abilities take forever to get off. Warriors are fucking useless. All they are good for is spamming taunt, they can't kill anything. They basically the WoW Paladins, with no heals/shields and worse DPS. Taunting sounds good in practice, but it just gets annoying after awhile. Every second your target gets untargeted, just a pain really. No extra skill involved, just fucking annoying.

But the killer is, the game is EQ2. In my opinion, it is a fucking ugly depressing world. Leveling is boring as shit, the Lore is shitty, with even shittier long stupid quests. To be anygood, you will have drop 30 bucks on the expansion if want AAs and you will have to drop another 10-20 bucks on the other shitty expansion if you want the 40-50 zone.

Lets not forget, this is SOE. They will fuck with the class balance sooner or later. They ruined the Ranger class in under a week. During the PvP beta, Rangers went from overpowered/fun, to average/fun to fucking horrible/not fun.

[dNa]

Personally, the PvP ruleset is awesome. Exp debt, looting etc, world PvP is active and serves a purpose (wow should blantely rip these ideas immediately). But the PvP itself is nowhere near as polished as WoW. The combat is just cluncky and most abilities take forever to get off. Warriors are fucking useless. All they are good for is spamming taunt, they can't kill anything. They basically the WoW Paladins, with no heals/shields and worse DPS. Taunting sounds good in practice, but it just gets annoying after awhile. Every second your target gets untargeted, just a pain really. No extra skill involved, just fucking annoying.

But the killer is, the game is EQ2. In my opinion, it is a fucking ugly depressing world. Leveling is boring as shit, the Lore is shitty, with even shittier long stupid quests. To be anygood, you will have drop 30 bucks on the expansion if want AAs and you will have to drop another 10-20 bucks on the other shitty expansion if you want the 40-50 zone.

Lets not forget, this is SOE. They will fuck with the class balance sooner or later. They ruined the Ranger class in under a week. During the PvP beta, Rangers went from overpowered/fun, to average/fun to fucking horrible/not fun.

Wow what you talking about wow pvp is horrible and nowhere polished its totally unplayable if you have any clue at all. Only thing that is fun at all is roaming pvp wich is most of the time not possible because of this fucking battegrounds being around, not to speak about they faction/rang14 wich is so super boring and never even worth it..
I am so done with wow pvp i did all the stupid exhalted grinds in all bgs but rang 14 was simply too much since its not even worth it i mean rang 14 equip is not even as good as bwl/aq stuff for most classes..
Lets not speak about balance in wow pvp because there is simply no balance at all.

[Soruss]

Personally, the PvP ruleset is awesome. Exp debt, looting etc, world PvP is active and serves a purpose (wow should blantely rip these ideas immediately). But the PvP itself is nowhere near as polished as WoW. The combat is just cluncky and most abilities take forever to get off. Warriors are fucking useless. All they are good for is spamming taunt, they can't kill anything. They basically the WoW Paladins, with no heals/shields and worse DPS. Taunting sounds good in practice, but it just gets annoying after awhile. Every second your target gets untargeted, just a pain really. No extra skill involved, just fucking annoying.

But the killer is, the game is EQ2. In my opinion, it is a fucking ugly depressing world. Leveling is boring as shit, the Lore is shitty, with even shittier long stupid quests. To be anygood, you will have drop 30 bucks on the expansion if want AAs and you will have to drop another 10-20 bucks on the other shitty expansion if you want the 40-50 zone.

Lets not forget, this is SOE. They will fuck with the class balance sooner or later. They ruined the Ranger class in under a week. During the PvP beta, Rangers went from overpowered/fun, to average/fun to fucking horrible/not fun.

Wow what you talking about wow pvp is horrible and nowhere polished its totally unplayable if you have any clue at all. Only thing that is fun at all is roaming pvp wich is most of the time not possible because of this fucking battegrounds being around, not to speak about they faction/rang14 wich is so super boring and never even worth it..
I am so done with wow pvp i did all the stupid exhalted grinds in all bgs but rang 14 was simply too much since its not even worth it i mean rang 14 equip is not even as good as bwl/aq stuff for most classes..
Lets not speak about balance in wow pvp because there is simply no balance at all.

And yet WoW is still the most balanced mmo I've ever played as far as pvp and class balance is concerned.

[Soruss]

SOE has always been a horrible company in every respect. I'd be damn surprised if they didn't screw this up as well.


There has been a dev sitting in one of the pvp server's irc room for over a week now, listening to people talking about the server and listening to their suggestions. He has already implemented two things they wanted, and it seems they're fast on fixing bugs.

I know this is Everquest, but I'm having a blast already.

(Besides, they fucked with my Inner Fire)

Did you guys get in some beta or something? Can the exp loss from pvp make you lose levels?

It's not the everquest that bothers me so much as the sony. They really blew it with SWG when I played that.

[Sneezer]

SOE has always been a horrible company in every respect. I'd be damn surprised if they didn't screw this up as well.


There has been a dev sitting in one of the pvp server's irc room for over a week now, listening to people talking about the server and listening to their suggestions. He has already implemented two things they wanted, and it seems they're fast on fixing bugs.

I know this is Everquest, but I'm having a blast already.

(Besides, they fucked with my Inner Fire)

Did you guys get in some beta or something? Can the exp loss from pvp make you lose levels?

It's not the everquest that bothers me so much as the sony. They really blew it with SWG when I played that.

beta? it's live already mate

[Soruss]

beta? it's live already mate

Thought I saw "coming soon" in one of the links someone posted. Guess I'm crazy.

[SandDemon]

SOE has always been a horrible company in every respect. I'd be damn surprised if they didn't screw this up as well.


There has been a dev sitting in one of the pvp server's irc room for over a week now, listening to people talking about the server and listening to their suggestions. He has already implemented two things they wanted, and it seems they're fast on fixing bugs.

I know this is Everquest, but I'm having a blast already.

(Besides, they fucked with my Inner Fire)


Ya I've got 3 level 6's (can't get above 6 in trial, still debating) - what's that IRC channel? And are you guys still all on Nagafen?

[Shotai]

Im rolling on Nagafen, but Im going Freeport just so I can wipe the floor that that noob... whats his name. Sintor?

[partoN]

Got a lvl6 Half-elf Swashbuckler in trial now.
Is it just me or do you run fast as hell in this game? I didn't remember you ran this fast in closed beta. It's like he's on drugs

[dNa]

Personally, the PvP ruleset is awesome. Exp debt, looting etc, world PvP is active and serves a purpose (wow should blantely rip these ideas immediately). But the PvP itself is nowhere near as polished as WoW. The combat is just cluncky and most abilities take forever to get off. Warriors are fucking useless. All they are good for is spamming taunt, they can't kill anything. They basically the WoW Paladins, with no heals/shields and worse DPS. Taunting sounds good in practice, but it just gets annoying after awhile. Every second your target gets untargeted, just a pain really. No extra skill involved, just fucking annoying.

But the killer is, the game is EQ2. In my opinion, it is a fucking ugly depressing world. Leveling is boring as shit, the Lore is shitty, with even shittier long stupid quests. To be anygood, you will have drop 30 bucks on the expansion if want AAs and you will have to drop another 10-20 bucks on the other shitty expansion if you want the 40-50 zone.

Lets not forget, this is SOE. They will fuck with the class balance sooner or later. They ruined the Ranger class in under a week. During the PvP beta, Rangers went from overpowered/fun, to average/fun to fucking horrible/not fun.

Wow what you talking about wow pvp is horrible and nowhere polished its totally unplayable if you have any clue at all. Only thing that is fun at all is roaming pvp wich is most of the time not possible because of this fucking battegrounds being around, not to speak about they faction/rang14 wich is so super boring and never even worth it..
I am so done with wow pvp i did all the stupid exhalted grinds in all bgs but rang 14 was simply too much since its not even worth it i mean rang 14 equip is not even as good as bwl/aq stuff for most classes..
Lets not speak about balance in wow pvp because there is simply no balance at all.

And yet WoW is still the most balanced mmo I've ever played as far as pvp and class balance is concerned.

You prolly never played any other mmorpg with pvp ?

[keboman]

Meh. Daoc was too FOTM for way too long.

I judge wow based on how long it's been out.. it's pretty good for a little over a year imo.

[Xenocide]

And yet WoW is still the most balanced mmo I've ever played as far as pvp and class balance is concerned.

sucks for you ><



I judge wow based on how long it's been out.. it's pretty good for a little over a year imo.

yeah, blizzard isn't 100% incompetant, they could make it a very good game, but they aren't moving towards that right now

[Shotai]

Meh. Daoc was too FOTM for way too long.

I judge wow based on how long it's been out.. it's pretty good for a little over a year imo.

DAoC was much more successful after 2 years from a PvP standpoint(since thats the only thing I play a MMO for) than WoW will ever be. You are calling DAoC FOTM? WoW had like, what, 500,000 subscribers world wide or something last I checked? DAoC had maybe, MAYBE, 50,000 at its prime.

[keboman]

FOTM classes..

[Shotai]

FOTM classes..

Because Rogues and Warriors aren't FOTM.

[SandDemon]

Got a lvl6 Half-elf Swashbuckler in trial now.
Is it just me or do you run fast as hell in this game? I didn't remember you ran this fast in closed beta. It's like he's on drugs

Try a level 6 dirge with pathfinding+sprint = it's fucking nuts

[partoN]

Just got a Wizard to lvl6, holy shit, instagib anyone? So much more fun then melee, but i prolly shouldnt judge from the trial :p

[Apotheosis]

I want to emphasize that I hate, hate HATE the separation of PvE and PvP in EQ2. The synthesis of the two is one of my favorite things about WoW, and keeps me interested in old content, and keeps my daily activities varied.

And I really want to emphasize how stupid of a statement this is. I truly and honestly though that NOBODY had thit thought pattern.

Why is this stupid? I would assume that many people share my feelings, considering the popularity of WoW, and the relative lack of interest in EQ2. What's with this ad hominem attacks? You're rude, sir, and it's not appreciated. Constructive comments only, please.

[Apotheosis]

I want to emphasize that I hate, hate HATE the separation of PvE and PvP in EQ2. The synthesis of the two is one of my favorite things about WoW, and keeps me interested in old content, and keeps my daily activities varied.


Synthesis of the two? That has gotta be the dumbest statement about WoW I have ever heard. The seperation of the two allows for stuff useless in pve (taunt for example or rogue gear with +dodge) to be useful in pvp and vice versa because they can balance the two seperately.

I don't wtf game you play, but Blizzard has this problem of making "class of the month" with these reviews that just buff the class and balance problems every time a new instance comes out because the items are too strong in pvp - a perfect example is them toning down ZGC+ToEP. You just wait til 1.10 comes out and we start seeing massive amounts of Holy priests that wtfpwnbbq everyone in BGs...then they'll get toned down. Then mages will get a buff, then toned down....see where I'm going with this? Warriors are already bitching about their revamp because "omg, I'm not as cool as them now!"

Please....WoW PvP is an oxy-moron.

I enjoy WoW PvP. Why is it an oxy-moron? And can you please not call me stupid? It's rude, and follows in the same vein of ad-hominem attacks common in this thread. They're simply obnoxious, so stop.

Every game has the types of balance issues detailed in your response. It should be clear how balanced WoW is because simple, small tweaks can create huge changes in the apparent balance of gameplay -- for example, Warlocks got the DPS of their DoTs increased (without their overall damage being increased) and got a significantly improved Deathcoil. Without changing any other elements of the class, Warlocks went from "wow we're gimped" to "holy crap overpowered." This happened with Paladins as well -- way back when SotC was fixed in patch 1.4, the perception of Paladins swung from overpowered to underpowered instantly. And it was a 30 percent reduction in the potency of a SINGLE spell. With 6 Million people playing WoW, these types of small distinctions in class balance can seem huge.

I remember when everyone felt that Warriors were overpowered a couple of months ago. At Blizzcon, they held an all-star PvP event consisting of 60 teams that were allowed to select their gear. The result? The groups that heavily stacked Paladin/Warrior and Shaman/Warrior were trounced. The last 4 teams standing were well balanced teams consisting of all, or almost all, classes. If there was any imbalance shown, it was that Alliance is too powerful in organized play -- in general, however, it seemed very clear that all these cries of underpowered/overpowered are largely the perception of players who simply do not understand class balance well enough. Methinks WoW is more balanced than most people realize.

If you do not enjoy WoW PvP, that's fine. I believe it's well balanced and compelling, and my opinion is considered and reasoned. What is NOT fine is telling others they're stupid and idiotic because they hold a differing opinion. Stop, it only makes you look like a jerk.

[Xenocide]

I enjoy WoW PvP.

I stopped reading here.

[Jedus]

Meh. Daoc was too FOTM for way too long.

Is that sarcasm? Or are you completely insane? FOTM and DAOC wtf? Haha wowwwwwwwwwww

[Belarin]

I enjoy WoW PvP.

I stopped reading here.

Then you missed out on a very thoughtful and well articulated post.


Apotheosis, you make excellent points about how many of the perceived class imbalance blown out of proportion by the winers with their mob mentality. I know that I never feel so depressed about WoW's PvP balance after playing the game as I do after reading the official forums. 8)

On the other hand. Blizzard seems to me to be incredibly slow to make balance corrections. Warlocks were underpowered for how many months before improvement in their itemization and class changes finally brought them back up? Furthermore, it's horrendous how long bugs remain unfixed!

The problem with Blizzards strategy of trying to balance PvP and PvE simultaneously, is that it exponentially complicates the consequences of any change. This means that the developers are much more reluctant to make timely PvP balance changes. I believe that this is the main argument for separation of the two.

[Belarin]

As a great example of the above problem with combining PvE and PvP balance, consider the current problem with the itemization of the +healing stat.

The +healing Problem

There is an large problem with the itemization cost of the +healing stat currently affecting PvP healers. +healing isn't nearly as powerful a stat as it should be in order to counter enormous upgrades that DPS players get from +damage or AP and crit. The problem facing the developers in correcting this, however, is that +healing currently borders on the verge of being overpowered in PvE raiding.

There is a fundamental difference between PvP, which values mainly healing speed, vs. healing in PvE which values mainly efficiency. In raiding, an end game equipped Druid or Paladin (or possibly Priest with GHeal post patch) with ~700 or 800 +healing gear can double or triple their healing efficiency by dropping ranks. On the other hand, the PvP healer who is using the max rank spell for maximum HPS will only see a mediocre 20-30% improvement. I believe that the devs reluctance to improve +healing for PvP is caused by their hands being tied by its effect in raiding.

This is a problem that has been growing since the summer, and there is still no official acknowledgment or plan to correct it. By the time they finally fix it (by implementing +damage/+healing as a % modifier with varying coefficients for different spells, please God) we will be looking at a full 9 month correction cycle. Sure, they will have balanced it in the end, but that is the kind of timetable that causes PvPers to get fed up with this lasting "temporary" imbalance and quit.

[Xenocide]

dont care enough about the game, blizzard rarely listens to the playerbase and it will be a while before the game has any possibility of being fun again

[Apotheosis]

I enjoy WoW PvP.

I stopped reading here.

Then you missed out on a very thoughtful and well articulated post.


Apotheosis, you make excellent points about how many of the perceived class imbalance blown out of proportion by the winers with their mob mentality. I know that I never feel so depressed about WoW's PvP balance after playing the game as I do after reading the official forums. 8)

On the other hand. Blizzard seems to me to be incredibly slow to make balance corrections. Warlocks were underpowered for how many months before improvement in their itemization and class changes finally brought them back up? Furthermore, it's horrendous how long bugs remain unfixed!

The problem with Blizzards strategy of trying to balance PvP and PvE simultaneously, is that it exponentially complicates the consequences of any change. This means that the developers are much more reluctant to make timely PvP balance changes. I believe that this is the main argument for separation of the two.

I agree with this general problem, Belarin. The question then is: is that added complication worth it? PvE/PvP synthesis has clearly beneficial consequences, but it's such a complicated process that it may be better just to accept a division. Personally, I dislike the separation in EQ2 so strongly that I'd prefer to take the hiccups and slowdowns involved with a more synthesized approach, but I can imagine thinking differently. Most specifically, I believe that EQ2 will continue to attract all/mostly hardcore players, and I do not enjoy that atmosphere or playstyle.

[Soruss]

You prolly never played any other mmorpg with pvp ?

I've been playing MMO's actively since Meridian59.

WoW has never had a case where a class is so utterly overpowered that even playing other classes is a waste of time. Or, such an obviously bad class that the worst player in the world could beat the best player of that class with any of the other classes. Yet pretty much every mmorpg I can think of has had cases like this.

[ozeloth]

I did a little research and people are complaining about people doing too much damage, like people zoning in oneshotting people then zoning out, rinse repeat.


Truth or fiction?

EDIT: this is a pretty big DL for only being allowed to play to lvl 6 and not even get to try out the advanced classes.

[Futurity]

You prolly never played any other mmorpg with pvp ?

I've been playing MMO's actively since Meridian59.

WoW has never had a case where a class is so utterly overpowered that even playing other classes is a waste of time. Or, such an obviously bad class that the worst player in the world could beat the best player of that class with any of the other classes. Yet pretty much every mmorpg I can think of has had cases like this.

good pvp games have depth that most of players will never see. Most players will think that one class is the best but during tournaments the class supposed to be the best is not. what i agree to is that with some classes its easier to achieve level when you can effectivly compete, with other its harder. But players evolve and "the best" class title is changing.

so in normal pvp games developers make pvp system which mostly never changes(you know bugs...). Developers give depth to the system so players be entertained through all level of gameplay(from newbie to hardcore) and so the game is balance in developers eyes. yes in developers eyes, not players because most players are shortsighted and will never see real depth of the game.

WoW is not such a game. it will never be balanced because gameplay is changing due to class buffs/nerfs(moslty forced by players) not because it has depth. still i think pvp in wow is fun, great no.

[SandDemon]

The only thing I'm gonna reply is that get a paladin to 60 and tell me the game is balanced and fun. The "mob-mentality" you so speak of is sometimes whiners, but when the entire paladin forum is stating "Developers, WTF are you thinking?" over and over and over again you may realize we're right.

I'm a clothadin healer and it's fucking Gay - roll a paladin, get to 60, then fucking talk.Vhell ftw, quoting the truth on that mage/warrior comment. I've got a 60 rogue, warrior, paladin, hunter now and let me tell you the game is skewed big time.

On a side note, WoW PvP is not the only problem - the PvE is too. BWL is just regurgitated MC and once you get them on farm status the game ends because PvP is supposed to keep you interested and it's not. Show me screenshots of you farming Nef and in HWL suits and then tell me PvP is fun - have you ever been there, fighting a non-PUG group in BWL/AQ gear huh? Have you seen how boring or unplayable it is? You may think the game holds interest of the millions and it does, but it's because of this pure and simple fact:

The majority of players, aka the public, are idiots and unskilled.

Take your average idiot and think that 50% of the world is dumber than him - that's who play WoW. The skilled, the gamers, the people who have been doing MMOs and PvP since the beginning (the original NWN in AOL ftw) realize WoW's short comings and it's in PvP. Multiplayer is what keeps you interested and PvP is what should be their focus and it's not - Oooo, let's add weather effects and make more purple/blues! Don't mind the fact that our playerbase hates the honor system, AV maps are not balanced, and world pvp is dead....but hey look, shiny gear!

EQ2 may have shitty graphics, but they're listening to their players and attempting to make PvP what it should be - a FPS style of gameplay with customization like Diablo. I've done professional gaming in FPS and it lacks customization and replayability. I've played WoW and many other games and they lack actual strategy, meaning or competition.

Is EQ2 the godsend game? Probably not but they're on the right track. You stick with your weather effects and holiday specials - when you actually get up to the end game maybe you'll realize like everyone else that WoW is dead.[/b]

[SandDemon]

I did a little research and people are complaining about people doing too much damage, like people zoning in oneshotting people then zoning out, rinse repeat.


Truth or fiction?

EDIT: this is a pretty big DL for only being allowed to play to lvl 6 and not even get to try out the advanced classes.

If ya read the Live updates, they fixed that by making ya immune as you zone until you move - and if you get into "combat", you can't zone.

[phobic]

phobic here from archimonde

i doubt any of you remember me but im getting eq2 and ill be playing on nagafen/queynos side

currently a barb pally, phobzz. From what ive heard pallys are a pretty fun/effective pvp class - could anyone who has experienced eq2 pvp confirm that?

[Soruss]

good pvp games have depth that most of players will never see. Most players will think that one class is the best but during tournaments the class supposed to be the best is not. what i agree to is that with some classes its easier to achieve level when you can effectivly compete, with other its harder. But players evolve and "the best" class title is changing.

I can definitely agree with this. Which is why I'd say SB is a better PvP game than WoW. However, shadowbane still had imbalances that aren't apparent in WoW. Such as trying to kill any kind of healer caster with a melee character because the healers had 90% block rates. IMHO this isn't balance.


so in normal pvp games developers make pvp system which mostly never changes(you know bugs...). Developers give depth to the system so players be entertained through all level of gameplay(from newbie to hardcore) and so the game is balance in developers eyes. yes in developers eyes, not players because most players are shortsighted and will never see real depth of the game.

By normal PvP game are you referring to a game that isn't an MMO? Shadowbane was just about the first MMO to come out that was focused on PvP and has been the only one until recently.


WoW is not such a game. it will never be balanced because gameplay is changing due to class buffs/nerfs(moslty forced by players) not because it has depth. still i think pvp in wow is fun, great no.

Huh? What game doesn't have class buff/nerfs every patch? Seriosuly. Are you all comparing WoW to a first person shooter or something, or even Guild Wars? Or are you actually comparing it to other mmo's?

All I've said is that when looking at class balance, WoW's has been the best. Do you all understand what "the best balance" is? It means that of all the games I've played (a lot), WoW's is the only one that when you compare the effectiveness of every class (in both group and 1vs1 pvp) to each other, they are closer to being even than when the same test is done for any other game I've played. EVERY game has had tons of useless classes and then several powerful classes. And when I'm saying it's the best, I'm looking at it from release until now. I'm not just considering games and then ignoring the first year when balance was horrible until it became perfect after the game was out forever.

Next. Every game people have the exact same opinions you guys have RIGHT NOW. "The developers are so dumb they don't listen to the players. They only implement changes that whiners want. Omg everything is so imbalanced, etc..." Note how in one sentence it says "developers don't listen" and in the next "developers only implement changes that whiners want" i.e. they do listen! However, you think they don't because they aren't implementing your perfect strategy for making the game perfect. Which of course... is why you (I'm talking in general here, so I'm saying 'you' to refer to a collective group ;>) think it's imbalanced because your changes aren't being put in. Next, the developers DO know that most players are idiots and don't know what would help the game out. But, how can they know which player is an idiot and which one actually knows what he's talking about? Perhaps effective prose is a good way.

Next I'd like to make the following VERY clear:

a) I'm -ONLY- talking about class and horde/alliance balance here! Not itemization, not honor, not BG, not world pvp, not carebear death policies, etc.. etc...

b) I -NEVER- said WoW has good PvP -ON THE WHOLE- i.e. including all the shit mentioned in (a).

c) I -DO- believe it is the only MMO worth playing right now (however, if I'm not mistaken the purpose of this thread is to tell everyone that EQ2 is worth playing on the pvp server, no?).

d) It is in -MY OPINION- that UO and Shadowbane were both better PvP games than WoW. NOTE! that this doesn't mean I thought they had better balance over the entire time that I played them.

e) If you all have a different opinion about what "balance" is, then please do ellaborate so we can argue about that rather than confusing each other.

f) Vhell is a nub and can't play priest, buff warriors, uhh.. I don't play my mage so I can't comment on that (and haven't played him since jan 2005 ;>). Seriously though, if you ever want to hear what I really think about WoW's class balance then we should probably start another thread.

g) I played the EQ2 trial, and I liked it (even without seeing the PvP :\) so uhh... I may play it too :x I tried templar, paladin, ranger (all gnomes ;p) and I liked the templar most. So is gnome templar a good idea? :\

[Belarin]

a) I'm -ONLY- talking about class and horde/alliance balance here! Not itemization...

I don't believe that one can reasonably separate itemization from balance. Warriors in greens have always been gimp, even during the heyday of the 31/20 AR reaper warrior. After all, this is a RPG. That is what balance in WoW different than balance in an FPS for instance.

Balancing multiple classes as they scale from very fundamentally different stats that are offered in different amounts on items with varying availability is an incredibly difficult task. That is why I don't believe it should be further complicated with PVE balance at the same time.


On a side note, WoW PvP is not the only problem - the PvE is too. BWL is just regurgitated MC and once you get them on farm status the game ends because PvP is supposed to keep you interested and it's not. Show me screenshots of you farming Nef and in HWL suits and then tell me PvP is fun - have you ever been there, fighting a non-PUG group in BWL/AQ gear huh?

This isn't an issue with PvE "balance", but rather the fun factor. In general, I think that raiding is boring. But, imho Blizzard has been moving in the right direction with this. MC is the most boring instance in all of wow. Tank the mobs, heal the tanks, and dps; heck, sometimes they make the encounter varied and interesting by throwing in a large-scale debuff so you can press the decursive button 100 times. :P

Razorgore on the other-hand is completely different... it's actually fun. There are so many different strategies each of which requires the players to take an active and unique roll. This is one of the best designed encounters in all of WoW imo.

Likewise, the scripted fights in ZG are much more varied and interesting than MC (and don't allow half of your group to AFK). Also, from what I've heard many of the scripted fights in AQ are quite interesting.

That's not to say that all of Blizzards non-pvp-balance content has been good. The introduction of BGs and the honor/rep grind is the stupidest shittiest thing that has ever happened to WoW. If I were given the chance to re-roll on a server w/o BGs or honor, I would do it in a heartbeat. However, I'm saying that your accusation that Blizzard has been driving the fun out of PvE is unfounded.

[Soruss]

a) I'm -ONLY- talking about class and horde/alliance balance here! Not itemization...

I don't believe that one can reasonably separate itemization from balance. Warriors in greens have always been gimp, even during the heyday of the 31/20 AR reaper warrior. After all, this is a RPG. That is what balance in WoW different than balance in an FPS for instance.

Balancing multiple classes as they scale from very fundamentally different stats that are offered in different amounts on items with varying availability is an incredibly difficult task. That is why I don't believe it should be further complicated with PVE balance at the same time.


First off, warriors are kind of a different issue as far as itemization goes than other classes. Since rage is generated with damage, and more rage = more damage (because of using abilities faster). So, as a warrior gets better gear he does more damage and he gets more rage to do more damage...

When I was referring to itemization, I was talking about how quickly Blizzard is ramping up better gear and the gap between blues and epix. So I guess you could say people in epix vs. people in blues = imbalance ;p

[Belarin]

When I was referring to itemization, I was talking about how quickly Blizzard is ramping up better gear and the gap between blues and epix. So I guess you could say people in epix vs. people in blues = imbalance ;p

Agreed. That's the nature of the beast. Who would collect epics if it didn't help them smash new lvl 60s. :wink:

My point, though, is that balance needs to be established at each level of equipment. That is, in general...
PvP should be balanced between players in blues.
PvP should be balanced between players in MC gear.
PvP should be balanced between players in BWL gear.
PvP should be balanced between players in AQ gear.

Because items play such a large role in the power level of characters in an mmorpg, it is fundamentally necessary to take that into account when making balance decisions.

[Belarin]

And while we are on the topic of simultanious balancing of PvP and PvE...


I know priests have problems in PvP...that's why I made a hunter to PvP, my priest is for PvE. If you wanted to have great CC and melt lot's of faces, why didn't you pick a mage? If you wanted to heal and be able to survive and do damage, why didn't you make a druid or Pally (or shammy for horde)?

Not all classes have equal survivability in PvP (see warriors). If they made us all = for PvP, it would unbalance PvE, which is the vast majority of this games content!

Gaaahhhhh!

/wrist

[Soruss]

wut duh nub

Gaaahhhhh!

/wrist

Heh.

Anyway, lets get back on topic...

Any further comments about EQ2 PvP?

[SandDemon]

Nobody is answering from Nurfed cuz they're all playing. I'm still debating on canceling my WoW account :-/ - even though I detest the game, all my buddies play still.

[Shotai]

Anyone who says the classes are balanced has never played a 60 Druid or 60 Warlock(moreso the Druid). As a Druid you have to work about 10x more than a warrior if you want to win a fight.

That is all.

edit: leet spelling

[RubiksCube]

Yea, you got to work about 10 times harder, but you actually have a good chance to win against any class 1v1, while a warrior has it easy to 3shot a rogue and can basically quit in advance against a hunter or a mage.

[Shotai]

Yes I, personally, have a higher than average chance to win against every other class when I play a Druid, but what happens when you put 2 average players against each other, one on druid and one on warrior?

[RubiksCube]

That wasn't my point.

My point was if you match an average druid with an average player of any other class, the druid will have a mediocre chance to win (depending just on HOW average he is)

If you match an average warrior with an average rogue, the warrior will most definetly win, if you match him with an average mage, the mage will most definetly win.

Druids just aren't the best examples that classes aren't balanced imo, because druids are one of the few classes that actually have lots of different, balanced talentbuilds and possibilities to beat any class.

[Devilnaut]

Back to the EQ2 pvp thingie, does anyone care to take a few moments out of game to answer a couple q's?


I was looking at classes and the coercer/illusionist is intriguing. Can anybody who knows tell me whether they're worthwhile in pvp? The identical pet distraction, lots of stuns, power drains, it seems like this class offers a bit of opportunity for skill in pvp. Is that the case? How is damage output?

Are they shitty in groups in PvE? etc...

Would appreciate any answers.

[Soruss]

Is there a server IRC channel we should be hopping on?

I'm not so sure about being a templar. I read the official forums and people are complaining about dps and it being difficult to level a templar solo (which is generally how I prefer to level...)

Maybe it will be easy to get groups. *shrugs*

[Inalende]

Druids just aren't the best examples that classes aren't balanced imo, because druids are one of the few classes that actually have lots of different, balanced talentbuilds and possibilities to beat any class.

I'm sorry but are we playing the same class? There are no tbalanced pvp druid builds. As a Resto build, anything/anything/31(+) for innervate, main healer build, pvping sucks, you can't one on one unless you want 10 minute fights. The other builds that are viable are moonkin or feral, and moonkin sucks. I believe the only viable pvp build is feral, unless you are always grouped with a dps class

[Belarin]

Druids just aren't the best examples that classes aren't balanced imo, because druids are one of the few classes that actually have lots of different, balanced talentbuilds and possibilities to beat any class.

I'm sorry but are we playing the same class? There are no tbalanced pvp druid builds. As a Resto build, anything/anything/31(+) for innervate, main healer build, pvping sucks, you can't one on one unless you want 10 minute fights. The other builds that are viable are moonkin or feral, and moonkin sucks. I believe the only viable pvp build is feral, unless you are always grouped with a dps class

1v1ing as a resto druid only sucks in a situation where you are likely to get adds. The fact that it takes a long time to kill things doesn't change the fact that you have a good shot at coming out on top in the end. Furthermore, feral and feral/resto are both great pvp builds with very respectable damage.

On the other hand, I have to agree with you that moonkin sucks ass (unless your idea of PvP is dueling rogues).

[Futurity]

i remember a druid crit me for 3.6k damage with starfire but i think he had berserker buff.

[SandDemon]

Hey Nurfed guys...(vhell?) can ya make a short pvp video of EQ2? Give us something to look at since ya can't pvp in the trial

[Bhaltair]

Hey Nurfed guys...(vhell?) can ya make a short pvp video of EQ2? Give us something to look at since ya can't pvp in the trial

Umm not sure if you took it the wrong way but Nurfed still plays WoW exclusivley. Most of us picked up EQ2 to mess around with it and see if it's worth playing in the off raid hours. PvP for us right now involves us running away from the the higher level players so no video of that.

Honestly I don't think there will be a real unbiased assessment of EQ2's PvP until everyone hits the cap. Remember how good WoW was when you were leveling in STV? People are just all hyped about it because it is something new and different, until that wears off then we may get some true opinions on EQ2 PvP.

[Xenocide]

Hey Nurfed guys...(vhell?) can ya make a short pvp video of EQ2? Give us something to look at since ya can't pvp in the trial

When I cap out, I'll be sure to find many trees to hide behind and heal, and then I'll make a video.

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[Shotai]

Hey Nurfed guys...(vhell?) can ya make a short pvp video of EQ2? Give us something to look at since ya can't pvp in the trial

When I cap out, I'll be sure to find many trees to hide behind and heal, and then I'll make a video.

Being an Inquisitor myself... thats exactly what I was thinking. Clerics ftw!

[Nastrand]

Hey Nurfed guys...(vhell?) can ya make a short pvp video of EQ2? Give us something to look at since ya can't pvp in the trial

When I cap out, I'll be sure to find many trees to hide behind and heal, and then I'll make a video.


While he is camped behind a tree healing, I am going to be beside him shooting arrows and film him camped behind a tree. :D

[Soruss]

Hey Nurfed guys...(vhell?) can ya make a short pvp video of EQ2? Give us something to look at since ya can't pvp in the trial

When I cap out, I'll be sure to find many trees to hide behind and heal, and then I'll make a video.

Being an Inquisitor myself... thats exactly what I was thinking. Clerics ftw!

My templar is going to be dps!

[SandDemon]

I understand the need for the cap to make a true view of PvP but I think I'd still like a general video, maybe even if it's getting owned or watching some pvp in action. STV PvP is not a true version of PvP skill but it gives you an idea how it can go - like the 5on5 fights near Nessingwary's. Sure one side usually gets owned and it's not structured, but you still see what it's like.

And I know they play WoW and EQ2 in the off-time - I'm planning on doing the same if I can muster myself to actually subscribe to another Sony game :)

[Soruss]

I understand the need for the cap to make a true view of PvP but I think I'd still like a general video, maybe even if it's getting owned or watching some pvp in action. STV PvP is not a true version of PvP skill but it gives you an idea how it can go - like the 5on5 fights near Nessingwary's. Sure one side usually gets owned and it's not structured, but you still see what it's like.

And I know they play WoW and EQ2 in the off-time - I'm planning on doing the same if I can muster myself to actually subscribe to another Sony game :)

If I get into a good fight I'll make one. Right now the only fights I've been in are getting ganked by people 5+ levels above me in "the down below"

[kyliejennings]

eq2 has LOS


you cant "hide in trees" because you will get no line of sight of target error same goes for melee i assume.

healing range is really short and should be increased imo.

ill see if i can get a few movies going had a good fight with me inalende and wakee vs 1 lvl 27 was a fun fight.

[partoN]

Can anyone help me to pick the right class, cause i dont know shit about it yet.

I love dealing melee damage, be viable in both solo and group etc. Be able to take some damage is a +.

As far as i heard, all the warrior classes in EQ2 are tauntbots in pvp. But what about the scout classes?

[kyliejennings]

u are probly looking for a monk or brawler

warrior type dps class.

[SandDemon]

Where's those videos! :)

[Sintor]

My fraps didn't take or you would have the funniest video ever. We hit another group on a catwalk above Clefts floor 3 in DoF and my knockback/down ae threw half their group off the edges to their death. Absolute fucking comedy.

[kyliejennings]

My fraps didn't take or you would have the funniest video ever. We hit another group on a catwalk above Clefts floor 3 in DoF and my knockback/down ae threw half their group off the edges to their death. Absolute fucking comedy.


its not fun when i get hit for 260 then take 480 fall dmg :( and die

[Sintor]

My fraps didn't take or you would have the funniest video ever. We hit another group on a catwalk above Clefts floor 3 in DoF and my knockback/down ae threw half their group off the edges to their death. Absolute fucking comedy.


its not fun when i get hit for 260 then take 480 fall dmg :( and die

This was probably more interesting because I hit with an ae for 800 and then they had vision blur which probably lasted longer than the fall.

[SandDemon]

How far have ya guys made it - what level? And what class had the AoE knockback, your swashbuckler?

Really like a video, I've been looking everywhere for just an EQ2 pvp video fight and haven't found jack.

[kyliejennings]

okay okay okay tonight ill make a small one just gotta find somewhere to host it.

[Sintor]

How far have ya guys made it - what level? And what class had the AoE knockback, your swashbuckler?

Really like a video, I've been looking everywhere for just an EQ2 pvp video fight and haven't found jack.

yes my swash, level 53.

[SandDemon]

Damn dude, 53 already? They must have really sped up leveling speed...how long you been playing him? A week?

[Sintor]

Damn dude, 53 already? They must have really sped up leveling speed...how long you been playing him? A week?

Levelling is the same as it always has been, most people are late twenties mid thirties.

[Xenocide]

okay okay okay tonight ill make a small one just gotta find somewhere to host it.

filefront really isn't that bad, i can normally find a link that gives a 500+ kb/s dl rate, the key is to try the different links ;)

[Khalaio]

i started yesterday and im lvl 16, im probably going slow since i dont know where anything is though

[uro]

Yeah, played for about 5 hours or so, im level 13. Lots of fedex quests at first, but hey, definately enjoying it so far.

[Soruss]

I r 17.

[Mylar]

"Mrylokars dagger has dropped, do you wish to loot it? Payment by visa or amex"


hilarios screenshot i cant find and you all know they will do it!

[Sintor]

They actually do it already on the exchange servers, that's why most people don't play on them.

My fraps is fucking up on windows 64 bit, so I haven't been able to get a decent video yet. Made 72 gold in about 40 minutes of PvP last night with some craaaazy fights. Titled up to destroyer now as well.

[SandDemon]

Well there's a big chance I'll be switching soon - need to wrap up some guild stuff then bail (main healer by far margin so it's gonna be a big kick in the nuts).

Come on guys, VIDEOS! :)

[Traumatize]

Tad OT but yeah...

It's possible to play as a Ratonga Swashbuckler right?:p

[partoN]

I want this game badly! Hook me up with some vids so I can buy the game already!

[Sintor]

Tad OT but yeah...

It's possible to play as a Ratonga Swashbuckler right?:p

It was, and it will be again, when they finish revamping the city betrayal quest. You could level a brigand for the time being and switch when they put the quest back in.

[Traumatize]

Tad OT but yeah...

It's possible to play as a Ratonga Swashbuckler right?:p

It was, and it will be again, when they finish revamping the city betrayal quest. You could level a brigand for the time being and switch when they put the quest back in.

Ah nice, cheers.

[Liger]

The wow test server right now is the best pvp i've seen in ages(in wow). Everyone basically has the same calibur of gear(cuz u get the premade chars) and theres a shitload of world pvp, unfortunately the server still can't handle it so its a bit laggy in certain places and theres a big ass queue for most the day. Though it's better in the late hours of the night.

[Xenocide]

The wow test server right now is the best pvp i've seen in ages(in wow). Everyone basically has the same calibur of gear(cuz u get the premade chars) and theres a shitload of world pvp, unfortunately the server still can't handle it so its a bit laggy in certain places and theres a big ass queue for most the day. Though it's better in the late hours of the night.

because the game is gear based --------> blows

[Sintor]

The wow test server right now is the best pvp i've seen in ages(in wow). Everyone basically has the same calibur of gear(cuz u get the premade chars) and theres a shitload of world pvp, unfortunately the server still can't handle it so its a bit laggy in certain places and theres a big ass queue for most the day. Though it's better in the late hours of the night.

because the game is gear based --------> blows

So what you're saying is, WoW PvP is fun when it is absolutely nothing like the actual game? Interesting.

[Traumatize]

The wow test server right now is the best pvp i've seen in ages(in wow). Everyone basically has the same calibur of gear(cuz u get the premade chars) and theres a shitload of world pvp, unfortunately the server still can't handle it so its a bit laggy in certain places and theres a big ass queue for most the day. Though it's better in the late hours of the night.

because the game is gear based --------> blows

So what you're saying is, WoW PvP is fun when it is absolutely nothing like the actual game? Interesting.

That's not far from the truth actually:p

[Devilnaut]

The wow test server right now is the best pvp i've seen in ages(in wow). Everyone basically has the same calibur of gear(cuz u get the premade chars) and theres a shitload of world pvp, unfortunately the server still can't handle it so its a bit laggy in certain places and theres a big ass queue for most the day. Though it's better in the late hours of the night.

because the game is gear based --------> blows

So what you're saying is, WoW PvP is fun when it is absolutely nothing like the actual game? Interesting.


no doubt

[Soruss]

irc.stratics.com #nagafen

Bitches.

[SandDemon]

Any videos yet guys :)

Hey and anyone know of a good IRC plugin for Firefox? Always wanted to actually bring IRC into my browser..

[Protagonist]

^ http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=firefox+extensions+irc&btnG=Google+Search

Top few results look good.

[kyliejennings]

http://files.filefront.com/EverQuest2_2on2_pvpavi/;4867044;;/fileinfo.html


try that sorry about music its what was on at the time playing on winamp :(


nothing special just a small fight but was fun!

[Xenocide]

The wow test server right now is the best pvp i've seen in ages(in wow). Everyone basically has the same calibur of gear(cuz u get the premade chars) and theres a shitload of world pvp, unfortunately the server still can't handle it so its a bit laggy in certain places and theres a big ass queue for most the day. Though it's better in the late hours of the night.

because the game is gear based --------> blows

So what you're saying is, WoW PvP is fun when it is absolutely nothing like the actual game? Interesting.

yes, wow pvp is terrible and will only be better if they completely change the system ^^

[Liger]

The wow test server right now is the best pvp i've seen in ages(in wow). Everyone basically has the same calibur of gear(cuz u get the premade chars) and theres a shitload of world pvp, unfortunately the server still can't handle it so its a bit laggy in certain places and theres a big ass queue for most the day. Though it's better in the late hours of the night.

because the game is gear based --------> blows

So what you're saying is, WoW PvP is fun when it is absolutely nothing like the actual game? Interesting.

pretty much

[Devilnaut]

http://files.filefront.com/EverQuest2_2on2_pvpavi/;4867044;;/fileinfo.html


try that sorry about music its what was on at the time playing on winamp :(


nothing special just a small fight but was fun!



there's something strangely captivating about the froglock+mario+nineinchnails combo...

[Murrough]

So this whole thing has me interested. I'm tired of the pvp in wow. I have a question though. What is there to do, as far as pvp is concerned, when I hit the level cap? In WoW all there is to do is jump in the BG queue or run around looking for a fight in world pvp. I'd be much more interested if there was some kind of pvp raids to capture towns or something along those lines.

[bierbaum]

Looks funny , is there a free trial or something like that ?

Also what would be the best class for me if i liked Warrior from WoW the best ?

[Sneezer]

Looks funny , is there a free trial or something like that ?

Also what would be the best class for me if i liked Warrior from WoW the best ?

did you look through the thread? there is a link to the free trial in this very thread

[bierbaum]

Na , just read the last page ;O i be sry ;(

[Sneezer]

Na , just read the last page ;O i be sry ;(

well read through it then =P
what you seek you'll find.

[SandDemon]

Finally said my goodbies and canceled my WoW subscription...guys should be seeing me soon.

[Otzo]

Finally said my goodbies and canceled my WoW subscription.

Gratz!

[partoN]

Finally said my goodbies and canceled my WoW subscription...guys should be seeing me soon.
gratz! I wish it was that easy, going to do it any day now..

[Degonite]

Finally said my goodbies and canceled my WoW subscription...guys should be seeing me soon.
gratz! I wish it was that easy, going to do it any day now..

After looking into warhammer if the game is good when i try it out.,,, long time away ehhe i just gonna quit WoW untill then i hope the expansion brings me happiness paladin class ftL

[tropic]

I rolled a SK and Nec 'till 20 on Nagafen. Both are brill classes, but the evil side out numbers good 3:1. Just as a lick of advice, pick Qeynos.

The pvp is a metric ton better than WoW's. I made a short clip of my 21 SK vs two scouts (I lost, but who cares).
The video is a rock throw from horrible quality since my computer coughs blood when I turn fraps on.
http://files.filefront.com/EQ2_SK_vs_2_Scoutsavi/;4870770;;/fileinfo.html

Now leveling a swash named Tropic.

[Murrough]

http://www.nurfed.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7125

I see whats going on here.

[Apotheosis]

Finally said my goodbies and canceled my WoW subscription...guys should be seeing me soon.

If you're tired of WoW, no problem, have fun. But I still think you're under the impression that you are part of some mass exodus away from WoW -- Nurfed is still a WoW guild, and WoW is still growing, both domestically and worldwide. It's far from a dying game.

Again, if you're not happy, best of luck in other games or (preferrably) doing other things in life.

[bierbaum]

Tested it and well i wasnt impressed by the trial :\

[Devilnaut]

[quote]

If you're tired of WoW, no problem, have fun. But I still think you're under the impression that you are part of some mass exodus away from WoW -- Nurfed is still a WoW guild, and WoW is still growing, both domestically and worldwide. It's far from a dying game..


I think the impression he's under is that WoW sucks crap for pvp. No doubt it will be popular for awhile, though.

[Protagonist]

Does EQ2 have pink mageweave shirts? I can't PvP unless I PvP in style.

[Tayosis]

wish i could get the patch to intialize.

anyone have suggestions? Tried downloading a new launchpad and everything...still can't get shit to work.

[SandDemon]

Finally said my goodbies and canceled my WoW subscription...guys should be seeing me soon.

If you're tired of WoW, no problem, have fun. But I still think you're under the impression that you are part of some mass exodus away from WoW -- Nurfed is still a WoW guild, and WoW is still growing, both domestically and worldwide. It's far from a dying game.

Again, if you're not happy, best of luck in other games or (preferrably) doing other things in life.

I'm not part of some mass exodus - most people still like to play shit, no matter how much blizzard sprinkles it with glitter. And I know Nurfed still plays WoW, but there are a few that are playing EQ2 for pvp and liking it and I plan on just saying hey when I move over.

WoW has been dead for over a year, it just takes awhile for people to cut the chains.

[Xenocide]

most people still like to play shit, no matter how much blizzard sprinkles it with glitter

omg well said

[Balroc]

god damn, the more i read the more i want to play.

[Shaneequa]

BzzzzzzzzzZzz. is it worth buying or would i be wasting my time. fuckin bored as shit at work here.

[Soruss]

BzzzzzzzzzZzz. is it worth buying or would i be wasting my time. fuckin bored as shit at work here.

Try the trial out. You don't get much PvP there... but you know what you'll have to put up with until you can pvp ;p

[Balroc]

BzzzzzzzzzZzz. is it worth buying or would i be wasting my time. fuckin bored as shit at work here.

shit if i know, but reading about droppable loot and "balanced pvp" make my penis move. i`m still trapped in RF, think i`m gonna play till my month is up, see where i stand with it, and maybe sell depending on how much i want to play eq2.

[Soruss]

BzzzzzzzzzZzz. is it worth buying or would i be wasting my time. fuckin bored as shit at work here.

shit if i know, but reading about droppable loot and "balanced pvp" make my penis move. i`m still trapped in RF, think i`m gonna play till my month is up, see where i stand with it, and maybe sell depending on how much i want to play eq2.

If it's any consolation, the early levels feel very similar to the "best part of WoW" i.e. pre-60.

I also had a level 25 spell book looted from me today. Those bastards!

[Futurity]

BzzzzzzzzzZzz. is it worth buying or would i be wasting my time. fuckin bored as shit at work here.

shit if i know, but reading about droppable loot and "balanced pvp" make my penis move. i`m still trapped in RF, think i`m gonna play till my month is up, see where i stand with it, and maybe sell depending on how much i want to play eq2.
i read that you only drop random item from inventory(excluding equiped ones). if its true tha kind of suxy, people probably pvp with mostly empty inventory. does pvp have more meaning(like wars, rvsr, guildvs guild, siege) other than pvp for rank??

how is rf online?? i heard its little grind but rvsr is lot of fun, gives some meaning to pvp. how is death system??

[Sintor]

BzzzzzzzzzZzz. is it worth buying or would i be wasting my time. fuckin bored as shit at work here.

shit if i know, but reading about droppable loot and "balanced pvp" make my penis move. i`m still trapped in RF, think i`m gonna play till my month is up, see where i stand with it, and maybe sell depending on how much i want to play eq2.
i read that you only drop random item from inventory(excluding equiped ones). if its true tha kind of suxy, people probably pvp with mostly empty inventory. does pvp have more meaning(like wars, rvsr, guildvs guild, siege) other than pvp for rank??

how is rf online?? i heard its little grind but rvsr is lot of fun, gives some meaning to pvp. how is death system??

Actually if you go roll exp groups in level-appropriate dungeons you almost always come away with 2-3 adepts. Nice way to get them. ;)

[phobic]

my copy of the game finally came and I'm loving it.

got my pally up to 18 and so far the game is just so much more interesting and fun than wow. Its awesome stepping outside your main city into the 10-20 zone and immediatly having to worry about getting ganked.
having an incentive not to die (xp, money, item loss) makes it a lot more ineresting

weather effects are pretty cool and actually effect gameplay - when a thunderstorm comes in visibilty gets extremely low and you can run into mobs/players without realizing it.

my char is Phobzz, barbarian pally on nagafen

[SandDemon]

Just so I'm clear, there's the main game ($20 buck download) and the Kingdom of Skies expansion (29.99 download). Anything else or is that the whole shabang for now?

[Sintor]

Just so I'm clear, there's the main game ($20 buck download) and the Kingdom of Skies expansion (29.99 download). Anything else or is that the whole shabang for now?

Go to the store and buy KOS in a box. For 30 bucks and a box you get the original game, kos, and a free month. Otherwise you will pay 20 + 30.

[SandDemon]

interesting, so KOS isn't a stand-alone expansion? Didn't think the Box of KOS came with EQ2....

[Jedus]

Just so I'm clear, there's the main game ($20 buck download) and the Kingdom of Skies expansion (29.99 download). Anything else or is that the whole shabang for now?

Go to the store and buy KOS in a box. For 30 bucks and a box you get the original game, kos, and a free month. Otherwise you will pay 20 + 30.

You dont get a fucking game manual though! ><

[Sintor]

Just so I'm clear, there's the main game ($20 buck download) and the Kingdom of Skies expansion (29.99 download). Anything else or is that the whole shabang for now?

Go to the store and buy KOS in a box. For 30 bucks and a box you get the original game, kos, and a free month. Otherwise you will pay 20 + 30.

You dont get a fucking game manual though! ><

In your face.

[SandDemon]

http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/product/260786.asp

Is this the product you're talking about or is it something else? Doesn't say anything about having the original...and it says "Expansion Pack" in bold.

[phobic]

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000E80ND2/sr=8-1/qid=1142275984/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-1157383-7203864?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance


^^in the amazon product description it doesn't say that it includes eq2 either, but near the bottom of the page there is a "product wiki" thing saying that it does come with the base game. I'd assume that the ebgames version is the same

[SandDemon]

Where's this product wiki you speak of? In the reviews?

[phobic]

hmm it came up below reviews when i was looking at it at school but on my home comp i cant find it

[SandDemon]

Bleh, disappearing stuff on Amazon?

I called the BestBuy store and the guy said "yeah, it's only expansion - not the full game". But granted, he's a freaking idiot kid :)

Any of you bought this online (like from amazon) and sure it's the full game and expansion?

[KY503]

Yo SandDemon:

http://everquest2.station.sony.com/expansions/kingdomofsky/faq.vm


Do I have to own the original EverQuest II before purchasing Kingdom of Sky?
Not if you purchase it at retail as opposed to downloading it directly from SOE. The retail version includes the original version of EverQuest II and Kingdom of Sky, so you get both for the price of an expansion. Be aware that the retail version is CD only.

I will probably be starting up Qeynos on the Nagafen server as well this weekend.

[Soruss]

Well it looks like i'm a sucker. I bought EQ2 from direct to drive, and then both expansions seperately from soe download. :\

[SandDemon]

Yo SandDemon:

http://everquest2.station.sony.com/expansions/kingdomofsky/faq.vm


Do I have to own the original EverQuest II before purchasing Kingdom of Sky?
Not if you purchase it at retail as opposed to downloading it directly from SOE. The retail version includes the original version of EverQuest II and Kingdom of Sky, so you get both for the price of an expansion. Be aware that the retail version is CD only.

I will probably be starting up Qeynos on the Nagafen server as well this weekend.

Thanks man :) Now I can laugh and point at people like Soruss! (I was so close to just downloading it but it seemed weird since someone in the game said just buy the expansion)

[KY503]

NP. Are you just gonna be called SandDemon in the game?

(Ouch, sucks to be Soruss)

[SandDemon]

yeah, I've gotta wait for delivery now though unless I can find it at my local CompUSA

[Noristat]

Hey guys...

Been reading your EQ2 fetish posts and been thinking about activating an account on Nagafen as well..

I played EQ2 right when it came out because I was an avid EQ player for 5 years, but WoW was a lot more fun in comparison. However, if the PvP is as good as you guys say, I guess I'll roll Qeynos and see you guys on there..

Character name will be Noristat, so add me.

[SandDemon]

Game arrives Wednesday....and wife leaves Wednesday for a week to visit family. Seems a whole lot like fate to me :)

Now I just gotta figure out what class I want to be....I was thinking fury but there's a lot out there saying they're going to be nurfed soon (no pun intended). I liked the Dirge though, something about flopping around as a frog at mach 2 with sprint+speed enchant.

[KY503]

Funny you mention that, I was planning on making a froglok trabadour. IMO I think trabadour might be better than dirge for pvp, because dirge damage spells are mostly diseased based, while trabadour damage spells are mental based. Mental resist gear is harder to pick up than disease resist gear, or at least so my friend who plays EQ2 tells me.

[Sintor]

Funny you mention that, I was planning on making a froglok trabadour. IMO I think trabadour might be better than dirge for pvp, because dirge damage spells are mostly diseased based, while trabadour damage spells are mental based. Mental resist gear is harder to pick up than disease resist gear, or at least so my friend who plays EQ2 tells me.

Yep.

[RubiksCube]

I'm starting my trial this week. If its half as good as WoW, I'll prolly give it a try (you have one trial month, right?).

[Sintor]

A week or level max on newbie island is the actual "trial" now. Month comes with the game.

[SandDemon]

Since you could answer that, here's another general question for you-

How does the illusionist stand up in pvp? Just looking at the leader boards (yeah I know, it's fubar'd for accuracy) I don't see them anywhere near the top - is the charm/mez equivalents just that bad in pvp?

Reading somewhere on the illusionist forum though, some guy said the damage output of an illusionist can beat any class in a raid - just they gain aggro in a second and die, but he called it the suicide illusionist. If you had a paladin to eat the aggro for you, it's semi-decent but most the time you blast out all kinds of damage, die, res, rinse/repeat.

Anyways, just still debating on a class and the forums are filled with trolls of "OMG THAT OTHER CLASS ROXXOR ME!" and getting a definitive class role and style out of each has been hard. Maybe a little synposis of what you guys have noticed so far? :)

[Sintor]

Since you could answer that, here's another general question for you-

How does the illusionist stand up in pvp? Just looking at the leader boards (yeah I know, it's fubar'd for accuracy) I don't see them anywhere near the top - is the charm/mez equivalents just that bad in pvp?

Reading somewhere on the illusionist forum though, some guy said the damage output of an illusionist can beat any class in a raid - just they gain aggro in a second and die, but he called it the suicide illusionist. If you had a paladin to eat the aggro for you, it's semi-decent but most the time you blast out all kinds of damage, die, res, rinse/repeat.

Anyways, just still debating on a class and the forums are filled with trolls of "OMG THAT OTHER CLASS ROXXOR ME!" and getting a definitive class role and style out of each has been hard. Maybe a little synposis of what you guys have noticed so far? :)

Ctide said his illusionist is rocking in PvP, the main problem people have is not having adept or better spells, they use the apprentice 1 version, which has an innate 30% easier to resist. Makes it hard to hit people who even have minimal resists.

[SandDemon]

Hey how does training work?

[Balroc]

I wonder if pvp will continue to be fun after the 9th expansion. I know thats what ruined it for me in EQ1 and anyone else whos pvped before luclin came out.

[RubiksCube]

Played a couple of hours yesterday, took an assasin to 5 cuz I really wanted to play a ratonga.

Playing a troubadour now, which seems to be quiete fun. Rubik on Nagafen.

The game, especially the combat system takes a while to get used to, when used to WoW. It's definetly not as dynamic as World of Warcraft PvE, can't say much about PvP as I'm playing the trial (gotta watch out for the game at my local stores, amazon only sells the dvd-rom and I still ain't got a dvd drive.).

SD, you're named Sanddemon in the game? Maybe if I get myself a copy we can hook up and do some duo leveling, could be good since we're both learning the game.

From the vid posted earlier I could tell that melee PvP is pretty fast paced or is that only me misinterpreting the run speed?

Also, is troubadour comparable to a skald in DAoC? That was my class on DAoC and boy it was fun. A skald with stealth moves is actually best of both worlds for me, so I'm really looking forward to playing it some more.

[ctide]

Since you could answer that, here's another general question for you-

How does the illusionist stand up in pvp? Just looking at the leader boards (yeah I know, it's fubar'd for accuracy) I don't see them anywhere near the top - is the charm/mez equivalents just that bad in pvp?

Reading somewhere on the illusionist forum though, some guy said the damage output of an illusionist can beat any class in a raid - just they gain aggro in a second and die, but he called it the suicide illusionist. If you had a paladin to eat the aggro for you, it's semi-decent but most the time you blast out all kinds of damage, die, res, rinse/repeat.

Anyways, just still debating on a class and the forums are filled with trolls of "OMG THAT OTHER CLASS ROXXOR ME!" and getting a definitive class role and style out of each has been hard. Maybe a little synposis of what you guys have noticed so far? :)

I really like my Illusionist. I'm only level 23, but so far it's been a lot of fun. Resists are obviously a factor, but it's pretty tough for me to lose vs almost any class 1v1 assuming I start at full health/mana. I've pulled a lot of shit out my ass when people jump me with mobs on me, but that's pretty contingent upon your opponent not resisting your CC. If I can get my long duration mez off, it's pretty tough for me to lose.

With that said, they aren't high DPS. In a raid situation, they seem to be pretty useless since they have weaker single target DPS than the other mage classes, and their CC is rarely used (from what I understand) in high end PvE.

Fortunately for me, I have no desire to do any high end PvE on this character, and their CC is invaluable in PvP.

The reason you probably don't see many on the leader boards is that they aren't a very common class. Most people who went cloth went for the higher damage subclasses, or one of the overpowered pet classes (conjurer / necro).

[ctide]

The reason you probably don't see many on the leader boards is that they aren't a very common class. Most people who went cloth went for the higher damage subclasses, or one of the overpowered pet classes (conjurer / necro).

Noticed this morning, as you can see, not many people rolled illusionists!

Level Zone Name Date Server Rank
23 Sundered Splitpaw: Gladiator's Triumph March 14, 2006 69

[Sintor]

Played a couple of hours yesterday, took an assasin to 5 cuz I really wanted to play a ratonga.

Playing a troubadour now, which seems to be quiete fun. Rubik on Nagafen.

The game, especially the combat system takes a while to get used to, when used to WoW. It's definetly not as dynamic as World of Warcraft PvE, can't say much about PvP as I'm playing the trial (gotta watch out for the game at my local stores, amazon only sells the dvd-rom and I still ain't got a dvd drive.).

SD, you're named Sanddemon in the game? Maybe if I get myself a copy we can hook up and do some duo leveling, could be good since we're both learning the game.

From the vid posted earlier I could tell that melee PvP is pretty fast paced or is that only me misinterpreting the run speed?

Also, is troubadour comparable to a skald in DAoC? That was my class on DAoC and boy it was fun. A skald with stealth moves is actually best of both worlds for me, so I'm really looking forward to playing it some more.

Troubs are great. The PvE system is actually more intricate than WoW, as long as you have a balanced group capable of not downy'ing up the Heroic Opportunities. The 4-chain HO's are absolutely great and speed up exp by a lot. It also makes you pay a little more attention to the game.

[RubiksCube]

Troubs are great. The PvE system is actually more intricate than WoW, as long as you have a balanced group capable of not downy'ing up the Heroic Opportunities. The 4-chain HO's are absolutely great and speed up exp by a lot. It also makes you pay a little more attention to the game.

D'oh obviously I'm getting the shaft for not upgrading my PC appropriatly, EQ2 only sells on DVD in europe. I'm really intrigued by the troubadour now, though, especially the PvP aspect. I just need to get someone to level with me as soon as I upgraded the drive and got myself a copy.

As far as I can tell from the trial, Combat was/is kinda slow, maybe it's because you don't have as much skills in the first levels, but I find myself watching the screen waiting for cooldowns to wear off. I guess that'll wear off once you get more skills.

The Heroic Opportunities looked quite interesting, I didn't quite get how they work though, didn't play long enough for that though.

What's all your names on nagafen btw, I added some but can't find all ppl from this threat. Maybe some of the newer people to EQ can group up.

[Soruss]

Troubs are great. The PvE system is actually more intricate than WoW, as long as you have a balanced group capable of not downy'ing up the Heroic Opportunities. The 4-chain HO's are absolutely great and speed up exp by a lot. It also makes you pay a little more attention to the game.

D'oh obviously I'm getting the shaft for not upgrading my PC appropriatly, EQ2 only sells on DVD in europe. I'm really intrigued by the troubadour now, though, especially the PvP aspect. I just need to get someone to level with me as soon as I upgraded the drive and got myself a copy.

As far as I can tell from the trial, Combat was/is kinda slow, maybe it's because you don't have as much skills in the first levels, but I find myself watching the screen waiting for cooldowns to wear off. I guess that'll wear off once you get more skills.

The Heroic Opportunities looked quite interesting, I didn't quite get how they work though, didn't play long enough for that though.

What's all your names on nagafen btw, I added some but can't find all ppl from this threat. Maybe some of the newer people to EQ can group up.

In EQ2 everything seems to have at least a small cooldown. So you don't just spam the same ability like you would in WoW (i.e. flash heal or frost bolt ;p).

My nick in game is Vadren.

[SandDemon]

Well, as it stands now, I should have the game by tonight - so add Sanddemon to your lists (assuming the game deletes my newb from the trial and lets me have my name). I've only got plans really to go for pvp for this time, so I was actually wondering what the rest of you are all playing (balanced group ftw).

I think from this thread we have Rubiks becoming a Troub, Sintor a swash, ctide an illusionist, Ky503 is a troub, and someone else was a paladin? Maybe I'll cave and take the route of the conjurer (there's only 10 billion of them, what's one more?) for insane DPS.....actually crap, looking at our list there isn't even a healer in the group. From what I've seen of healers...

Fury healing is ok and their damage is real good (everyone is screaming NERF!)
Templars are kinda like WoW paladins, with healing and crap damage - but can win 1on1 because of outlasting power.
Wardens are druids?
Mystics are shamans?

I'd like to be a good pvp healer but actually be useful solo - aka no clothadin healing for me.

[RubiksCube]

Well, if the troub plays anything like the skald in DAoC (but with stealth) I'm all over it. Phobzz was the one playing pal.

We shouldn't count Sintors Swash in though, I don't see us progressing levels so fast and he'll be pretty used to the game by now and prolly not willing to put up with us noobs.

Oh, and your "noob" is still taken SD, from what I read you'll be able to continue playing your trial characters though (or delete them yourself).

[Sintor]

Well, if the troub plays anything like the skald in DAoC (but with stealth) I'm all over it. Phobzz was the one playing pal.

We shouldn't count Sintors Swash in though, I don't see us progressing levels so fast and he'll be pretty used to the game by now and prolly not willing to put up with us noobs.

Oh, and your "noob" is still taken SD, from what I read you'll be able to continue playing your trial characters though (or delete them yourself).

I'm 60, you would have about 2.5 weeks of serious grinding in a static group to catch me. There are a lot of nurfed people from 10-25 though, that's just a day or two of work. :)

[SandDemon]

Well since my wife is gone for an entire week, you can bet I'll be playing like a crazy bachelor while I can - just gotta decide on a class and figure out some basic things and I'll nail it down.

Actually, since you guys are playing right now mind - especially you Sintor - can ya guys tell me what are the rare classes? I've heard there are floods of Furies/Conjurers and just wondering what are the less-used classes.

[Sintor]

Well since my wife is gone for an entire week, you can bet I'll be playing like a crazy bachelor while I can - just gotta decide on a class and figure out some basic things and I'll nail it down.

Actually, since you guys are playing right now mind - especially you Sintor - can ya guys tell me what are the rare classes? I've heard there are floods of Furies/Conjurers and just wondering what are the less-used classes.

Paladins are probably the rarest, followed by guardians or tied with them. Illusionists, Troubs, wizards (at high levels at least), and templars.

[RubiksCube]

I got 3 days of on friday, next monday and tuesday, so if I manage to get the game up and running until then, I guess I'll be playing a lot, too.

I expect to play a half elf troubadour (would like to play ratonga but they can only play 'evil').

Sintor, you mentioned a "city betrayal" quest, care to elaborate?

[Sneezer]

I got 3 days of on friday, next monday and tuesday, so if I manage to get the game up and running until then, I guess I'll be playing a lot, too.

I expect to play a half elf troubadour (would like to play ratonga but they can only play 'evil').

Sintor, you mentioned a "city betrayal" quest, care to elaborate?

it's a quest line where you switch side :)

[Traumatize]

Paladins are probably the rarest, followed by guardians or tied with them. Illusionists, Troubs, wizards (at high levels at least), and templars.

Oh, Paladins?
People not keen on playing Holy Warriors in EQ2?:>

Was thinking of rolling Paladin or Templar incase I drop my Ratonga Swashbuckler plan:p

[Sintor]

Paladins are probably the rarest, followed by guardians or tied with them. Illusionists, Troubs, wizards (at high levels at least), and templars.

Oh, Paladins?
People not keen on playing Holy Warriors in EQ2?:>

Was thinking of rolling Paladin or Templar incase I drop my Ratonga Swashbuckler plan:p

It's a full on pvp server, people like to play things that directly damage in large amounts or heal in large amounts. Paladin is a good tank with wards and decent heals. Tanks alone would never get played if berserkers weren't beasts on damage when they want to be.

[SandDemon]

But there's just something entertaining at smiting some fool with a lance on a horse :)

I've done the holy warrior in WoW though and my expectations of the class would have to be pretty damn high if I was to consider it...

Right now I'm debating between Illusionist and Troub - I like controlling fights and they both seem the type (snares/kiting/mez)....wish I could play a Coercer, seems more like my real old-school Enchanter. God I miss charm and running someone off a cliff :)

[partoN]

"Cancel Account" - Done!
Getting this game anyday now..

[Dahhak]

I just picked up EQ2 and started up a dwarf berserker on Nagafen.

Still a noob, but if you feel like helping or anything the name is Vawe.

[Traumatize]

Paladins are probably the rarest, followed by guardians or tied with them. Illusionists, Troubs, wizards (at high levels at least), and templars.

Oh, Paladins?
People not keen on playing Holy Warriors in EQ2?:>

Was thinking of rolling Paladin or Templar incase I drop my Ratonga Swashbuckler plan:p

It's a full on pvp server, people like to play things that directly damage in large amounts or heal in large amounts. Paladin is a good tank with wards and decent heals. Tanks alone would never get played if berserkers weren't beasts on damage when they want to be.

Hm yeah fair enough.

What about Templars, any viable solo?

[Murrough]

Hey Sintor, do wards factor in armor class when absorbing damage? Will it absorb more hits on a plate class than a cloth class because of the higher armor on the plate mitigating more of the damage? I'm loving the wards system so far. Was in a group fighting level 25 ^^^ giants last night, I was level 20 and the only healer, and the tank didn't take a lick of damage because I could just keep my wards up. (I took the Master II group ward, it's beautiful.)

Sanddemon, if you go with traub send me a tell in game, I have a level 17 adept I traub DD sitting in my bank wasting away. Ingame name is Murrough.

[Devilnaut]

Right now I'm debating between Illusionist and Troub - I like controlling fights and they both seem the type (snares/kiting/mez)....wish I could play a Coercer, seems more like my real old-school Enchanter. God I miss charm and running someone off a cliff :)

Yeah, I've rolled a coercer. I liked the sound of enemy-reactives (damages them when they use power or melee) better than friendly-proc buffs, as well as charm. Only level 10 though and no time to play until university is out. Wish the band of newbs on here were going Freeport so that I could have company :P

[Soruss]

Paladins are probably the rarest, followed by guardians or tied with them. Illusionists, Troubs, wizards (at high levels at least), and templars.

Oh, Paladins?
People not keen on playing Holy Warriors in EQ2?:>

Was thinking of rolling Paladin or Templar incase I drop my Ratonga Swashbuckler plan:p

It's a full on pvp server, people like to play things that directly damage in large amounts or heal in large amounts. Paladin is a good tank with wards and decent heals. Tanks alone would never get played if berserkers weren't beasts on damage when they want to be.

Hm yeah fair enough.

What about Templars, any viable solo?

Templars are on the bottom of the dps-o-meter. We get a couple DD spells, but they're pretty hurting. I can kill solo pretty well, but it often takes a while.

But we get plate and kick a holy hell lot of ass at healing :D

[SandDemon]

installing EQ2 as I type this...my god 9 cds?!?

Ok so a list of peeps:

Vawe
Sintor
Vadren
Murrough
Ctide?
Noristat

anyone else?

[RubiksCube]

Add me to the list, I'll be getting my game tomorrow. Playing some more trial tonight, name's Rubik, Qynos side, Nagafen.

We should form a guild, "Nurf Noobs" or something, for better communication etc.

[Noristat]

Great idea, Rubiks. My name on Nagafen is Noristat also, and I've already talked to Sintor, Sand, and Vhell in game. When you get on, send me a tell so I can add you. We should form a group of players and get on a Vent or something. I'm not sure if Nurfed wants us to use theirs or whatever, but we can always use mine. For the guild name, I propose:

<Nurfed Forum Trolls>

[Noristat]

Oh yeah, a few things I've picked up from when I played it before WoW:

You really can play any race that you want, but you do have to go through a city betrayal quest, and from what I understand it's very long and not easy either. When you betray Freeport, you actually get to be smited down by Lucan himself, which is pretty cool. I started to go through it on my Iksar Crusader (back before you picked your full class in the beginning), but lost interest and started playing WoW cuz all my friends were.

Only reason I really picked a wizard is because I played one in EQ1, but it seems a LOT different in this game. You get group power buffs like Amplify, a lot of your nukes have stun and debuff components, and you also get DoTs, which is just so much different than EQ. Wizards in that game pretty much just nuked, sat down, nuked again, sat down, root an add if your group got unlucky, and that was about it. It was really nice seeing a 12k crit on the screen though, and watching your entire group type "DAMN" in the chat window.

Hopefully they aren't as broken, but Sintor, you said that there aren't many high level wizards around in EQ2. Is that because they've lost faith in the class or just because the other mage classes are more dynamic or something? Even if my class is a PoS, I'll probably stick with it..

[RubiksCube]

Yeah, a ventrilo sounds like a badass idea. I'm a level 5~ Half-elf troubadour called Rubik now, I really wanna play ratonga, but since someone said city betrayal isn't in yet, I'm cool with half-elf.

Anyways "Nurfed Forum Trolls" sounds fine to me. At the moment I'm still playing the trial, but the I'm getting the game tomorrow so I'll start playing after my 6 hour early shift (8 to 2pm) and I got monday and tuesday off so I'm gonna play a lot.

[partoN]

just ordered it

Ronge - Halfelf Swashbuckler Qeynos

[Sintor]

Oh yeah, a few things I've picked up from when I played it before WoW:

You really can play any race that you want, but you do have to go through a city betrayal quest, and from what I understand it's very long and not easy either. When you betray Freeport, you actually get to be smited down by Lucan himself, which is pretty cool. I started to go through it on my Iksar Crusader (back before you picked your full class in the beginning), but lost interest and started playing WoW cuz all my friends were.

Only reason I really picked a wizard is because I played one in EQ1, but it seems a LOT different in this game. You get group power buffs like Amplify, a lot of your nukes have stun and debuff components, and you also get DoTs, which is just so much different than EQ. Wizards in that game pretty much just nuked, sat down, nuked again, sat down, root an add if your group got unlucky, and that was about it. It was really nice seeing a 12k crit on the screen though, and watching your entire group type "DAMN" in the chat window.

Hopefully they aren't as broken, but Sintor, you said that there aren't many high level wizards around in EQ2. Is that because they've lost faith in the class or just because the other mage classes are more dynamic or something? Even if my class is a PoS, I'll probably stick with it..

There aren't many high level wizards on the pvp server, there are a lot of them in the normal game. People don't want to be the squishy. Simple as that.

Betrayal is out right now because there are no more subclasses, you start as your main class. The island, combat skills, and levelling/quest systems were revamped. Much, MUCH different than it was before.

[Soruss]

<Nurfed Forum Trolls>

:\

[RubiksCube]

So, for our noob group what professions do we have?

Noristat - Wizard Level 7
Sanddemon - Troubadour Level 11
Vawe - Berserker - Level 13
Vadren - Templar Level 27
Murrough - Mystic Level 24

Seems to me, like we could use a low level healer, so I'm prolly gonna roll warden when I get my game. 2 Troubadours seems like a waste and we really ain't got so much healers.

Can anyone give me some info about the warden? Does it play anything like the druid in WoW?

[Sintor]

A couple of you guys sent me tells last night and I don't think I got a chance to reply, sorry if it seemed like I was ignoring you. We were fighting back and forth with the other high level group from fp all night in most of the high level dungeons. Intense, pvp ran most of the night with races for nameds and stuff.

[Murrough]

So, for our noob group what professions do we have?

Noristat - Wizard Level 7
Sanddemon - Troubadour Level 11
Vawe - Berserker - Level 13
Vadren - Templar Level 27
Murrough - Mystic Level 24

Seems to me, like we could use a low level healer, so I'm prolly gonna roll warden when I get my game. 2 Troubadours seems like a waste and we really ain't got so much healers.

Can anyone give me some info about the warden? Does it play anything like the druid in WoW?

I can mentor down to your level to heal. Also two healers for a group is plenty. Instead of another healer you should try maybe Swash or Ranger for dps, or a Illusionist for CC.

[RubiksCube]

Played a couple of hours with SD, started up a warden gotta say, while it's fun to play with a tank (SD played a Paladin) the healing seemed kinda weird, especially with HO's that force you to cast a healing spell when it's not really needed.

Prolly gonna try out a ranger or some more classes before I decide.

[KY503]

Hey guys, I am now a Froglok Troubador by the name of Ardiv. Will be seeing some of you in game, I already talked to SD.

[Xenocide]

EQ2 has aids

qft

Glad I waited to buy it until i got more info, SB = win.

[Sneezer]

EQ2 has aids

qft

Glad I waited to buy it until i got more info, SB = win.

yey! i play a dead game!

[Sneezer]

<Nurfed Forum Trolls>

:\

You've actually made the guild?
I'm seriously considering ordering eq2 now. i need to get away from wow.
but what should i play O.o! -woodelf ranger. decided. now, I just need to order it...

But shouldn't the guild name be more epic?
. . .
< Please, don't kill me. Kill him -> > ?

[Xenocide]

dead as in lack of players? think again.

[Devilnaut]

I think I'll make the leap over to Qeynos to join the newb patrol. I can't play for another two weeks or so though because of finals, but hopefully I can still catch up and do some groupage.

You guys look like you could use an illusionist or a monk, I'll probably hit up monk.

[Murrough]

I'm strongly considering rerolling as a dirge. Not liking the mystic in pvp anymore. Name is Anoac. If I'm not on Murrough I'm probably on Anoac.

[SandDemon]

Fair warning..

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=tech_support&message.id=118649&view=by_date_ascending&page=1

I've got a GeForce 6800 and any type of spell effects causes my game stutter horribly. I can play the game with no spell effects on Balanced or Extreme Performance and 1 spell effect per person max and it still stutters bad. Until I find a fix or get a new card, don't expect me to be around too much.....nice of Sony to have Nvidia icons all over the EQ2 website and the game runs like shit for everyone with an Nvidia card.

[Sneezer]

atleast you can play. I can't even connect to their damn network =/

[Soruss]

<Nurfed Forum Trolls>

:\

You've actually made the guild?
I'm seriously considering ordering eq2 now. i need to get away from wow.
but what should i play O.o! -woodelf ranger. decided. now, I just need to order it...

But shouldn't the guild name be more epic?
. . .
< Please, don't kill me. Kill him -> > ?

Sanddemon mentioned making a guild to me, I don't know if he has done so.

My ':\' smiley is because I'm not overly fond of that name... Despite the truth involved - I'd rather it not be obvious that we're the unfortunate parasites of some other guild, heh.

[Sneezer]

<Nurfed Forum Trolls>

:\

You've actually made the guild?
I'm seriously considering ordering eq2 now. i need to get away from wow.
but what should i play O.o! -woodelf ranger. decided. now, I just need to order it...

But shouldn't the guild name be more epic?
. . .
< Please, don't kill me. Kill him -> > ?

Sanddemon mentioned making a guild to me, I don't know if he has done so.

My ':\' smiley is because I'm not overly fond of that name... Despite the truth involved - I'd rather it not be obvious that we're the unfortunate parasites of some other guild, heh.

yeah I think we need to hide it somehow... <the BoardTrolls> simply?
But I can't play!
/cry

[Inalende]

I have a 7800 GT and the game works fine for me.

Inalende - 30 wood elf ranger

[SandDemon]

I have a 7800 GT and the game works fine for me.

Inalende - 30 wood elf ranger

Ya if you check the thread, it seems to work for some randomn fluke people but not for everyone else......real annoying on my end.

I didn't make the guild for 2 reasons -

1) It requires 5 people to be around and I haven't seen all 5 of you on at the same time.
2) it costs 60silver and I'm a broke mofo (remind me NOT to leave town with 3g on me to only die to a pvp, because I forgot to go to the bank)
3) we hadn't decided a name

I like The Board Trolls though.

[Sintor]

I have a 7800 GT and the game works fine for me.

Inalende - 30 wood elf ranger

Ya if you check the thread, it seems to work for some randomn fluke people but not for everyone else......real annoying on my end.

I didn't make the guild for 2 reasons -

1) It requires 5 people to be around and I haven't seen all 5 of you on at the same time.
2) it costs 60silver and I'm a broke mofo (remind me NOT to leave town with 3g on me to only die to a pvp, because I forgot to go to the bank)
3) we hadn't decided a name

I like The Board Trolls though.

Do you use omega drivers or nvidia crap?

[SandDemon]

I just updated to March 17th drivers from Nvidia....never really had a need for Omega drivers, but I guess I could try them.

Got a link?

[Dahhak]

http://www.omegadrivers.net/

I don't get to play that often, but I'll talk to some of you guys when I see you on.

[RubiksCube]

Blah, I had no time to play this weekend, but I rerolled Ranger, name is Rubiks

[SandDemon]

http://www.omegadrivers.net/

I don't get to play that often, but I'll talk to some of you guys when I see you on.

Last release was March 2005.

"Sorry to tell you this, but the Omega Nvidia Drivers project is currently on hold ATM (NOT canceled), don't ask me why and please stop the emails asking for updates, I will resume the work on them when I find it appropriate, thanks for your understanding."

[KY503]

http://www.omegadrivers.net/

I don't get to play that often, but I'll talk to some of you guys when I see you on.

Last release was March 2005.

"Sorry to tell you this, but the Omega Nvidia Drivers project is currently on hold ATM (NOT canceled), don't ask me why and please stop the emails asking for updates, I will resume the work on them when I find it appropriate, thanks for your understanding."

http://www.omegadrivers.net/nvidia/win2k_xp.php

Version 66.93 is the latest one they have out -_- I'm not sure if that even fully supports 6800GT, but it's better than nothing. Worth a try imo.

[Shaneequa]

77.77 or 77.72 for the 6800

[Sneezer]

Seriously guys... I need help!

I start up the trial.
and it scans files, prepare graphics.
then I chose 'play trial'. and use existing account -> accecpt the eula.
And I enter my account info and click 'log in'.

then the message box shows up: 'authenticating: processing login'.
and then
'Network Timeout - network error. The server is not responging, please check your connections and try again.'


/bangs head on keyboard.

what I'm doing wrong?

[Traumatize]

Seriously guys... I need help!

I start up the trial.
and it scans files, prepare graphics.
then I chose 'play trial'. and use existing account -> accecpt the eula.
And I enter my account info and click 'log in'.

then the message box shows up: 'authenticating: processing login'.
and then
'Network Timeout - network error. The server is not responging, please check your connections and try again.'


/bangs head on keyboard.

what I'm doing wrong?

Well sounds like the server/login server might be down?

[Sneezer]

Seriously guys... I need help!

I start up the trial.
and it scans files, prepare graphics.
then I chose 'play trial'. and use existing account -> accecpt the eula.
And I enter my account info and click 'log in'.

then the message box shows up: 'authenticating: processing login'.
and then
'Network Timeout - network error. The server is not responging, please check your connections and try again.'


/bangs head on keyboard.

what I'm doing wrong?

Well sounds like the server/login server might be down?
Well I've tried to connect during the entire weekend, yesterday and today.
As a nice insult to me, I was over at a friends place and easily loged in and created a woodelf ranger on nagafen =/

[Traumatize]

Firewall issue maybe?

[Sneezer]

Firewall issue maybe?
Supposelly the firewall is suppose to inform me and asking for instruction whenever a new program wants to connect. I've also manually added all eq-related programs I could find to the 'roamfree' list in my firewall.
But I could still be missing some? Which EQ files are you letting through?

[Julemanden]

Just close your firewall and try and logon if it still does not work then its not the firewall... migth be your router/modem whatever that needs to be restarted for unknow reasons.

[Sneezer]

Just close your firewall and try and logon if it still does not work then its not the firewall... migth be your router/modem whatever that needs to be restarted for unknow reasons.
I've restarted the modem several times. I got no router. Will try with firewall off when I get back home :)

[Sneezer]

Just close your firewall and try and logon if it still does not work then its not the firewall... migth be your router/modem whatever that needs to be restarted for unknow reasons.

Did that and could connect. How do I figure out which program that's running but I'm not letting through the firewall?

[Julemanden]

I really dont know maybe just start the game without any other network things running like irc/msn ect and see what is trying to be access but blocked by your firewall... either that or maybe they support can help you.

[Sintor]

Grow a pair and dmz!

[Sneezer]

Grow a pair and dmz!
too paranoid.

[SandDemon]

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=tech_support&message.id=151697

For some to note, gonna try it when I get home

[SandDemon]

Tweaksrus drivers worked like a charm - not 100% perfect but I can run the game on just below balanced instead of extreme performance.

[Soruss]

great I just download .21 and install them... and they release .25. sigh.

[Selm]

id play if the gfx didnt suck an enormous amount of dick
!

[SandDemon]

They only suck if ya got a crappy system - my buddy who makes oodles of money has this god system that can actually run the game on Extreme Quality at an average of 25fps and it looks fucking sweet.

mine looks like Play-do :P

[phobic]

yea i tried out extrememe quality just to see what it was like and it looks pretty insane. Too bad I get like 3 fps with those settings.

I play with almost everything on lowest and it still looks pretty nice when i look at my character close up