Leveling Hotspots - Experience Per Hour?

[Ratama]

UPDATED: 1/12/2005 ; through level 56

Here are some of my best grind spots, and the levels I did them as a Rogue. Can other people share theirs? Exp per hour tracked with the Nurfed UI and reset before grinding.

10-13 Dreadmaw Crocolisks in the river between Durator and Barrens. 14,000 exp per hour

13-16 Southsea Bandits and Cannoneers south of Ratchet. 14,000 exp per hour

16-19 Theramore Marines outside Norwatch Keep. 16,000 exp per hour

19-22 South Barrens Stormhides and Quilboards. 18,000 exp per hour.

22-24 Bears and Spiders right outside Tarren Mill. 20,000 exp per hour

24-26 Centaur north of Freewind Post in 1,000 Needles (outside the cave) 20,000 exp per hour (lots of mining opportunities; Tin, Iron)

26-30 Centaur north of Freewind Post in 1,000 Needles (inside the cave) 20,000 exp per hour (lots of mining opportunities; Iron, Gold, some Mithril)

30-32 Roguefeather Harpies inside cave on south wall of 1,000 Needles. 20,000 exp per hour (lots of mining opportunities; Iron, Gold)

Note: The Kurzen areas are generally considered broken now; especially for Horde on PvP servers. But it's all I currently know at this level as the spot was so good at the time, that is all I did from 32-42.

32-37 Kurzen camp in North Stranglethorn Vale (outside cave) 26,000 -32,000 exp per hour. This actually got better as I went up in level as long as no one else was at the camp. At level 36, I tested about 1/4 of the level and my experience rate was 32,640 per hour when I had to stop and go sell.

37-42 Kurzen camp in North Stranglethorn (inside cave) 29,000 - 34,000 exp per hour; 5-7 gold per hour. Go in past the Kurzen Commandos and Kurzen Headhunters to the Elites and Witchdoctors. The Commandos have armor, and stun you when they are low on life, so they are poor experience, but the Elites and Witchdoctors inside are the same old no-armor experience givers. I told my guild this area is just a leveling field with juicy experiene berries waiting to be plucked. I'm currently 39 here, and still doing full levels in just about 2 hours of grinding.

I didn't grind as exclusively from here on out, so I'm going to shotgun a few spots and level ranges that felt "Good". I still measured exp per hour, but this was just after the last patch where they upgraded armor and HP on most monsters I grind on, so exp definitely slowed down.

42 - 45 Woodpaw Gnolls in Feralas, south of Camp Mojache. Stay away from the Trappers and Brutes IMO, and head further south to the Mystics and Reavers. I liked the area that was still on flat land with a couple of Alpha camps on raised mounds. I usually avoided the alphas as they tended to be bugged/grouped in a cluster of 3. Spell disruption is a must for the Mystics. I cleared about 24k exp per hour here typically.

42-44 Ogres in Feralas. Due north of camp Mojache in the mountains. The Mages are best if you have spell disruption, but I worked through all of them and they were all good experience. The Brutes will throw you, so make sure they don't throw you into an add. 20-24k exp per hour.

44 - 47/48 Dustbelcher Ogres in the Badlands. Now here is a good spot, and it may be good on PvP as well. I camped this cave for 3 hours one Saturday without seeing another player. The cave is in the Southwest corner of the bladlands past a bunch of Ogres. The reason why I say the cave, is that it's about 75% Ogre Mages, and if you have spell disruption, they go down easy. Very low hp and low armor even after the patch. The only reason I left at 48 is I could clear the spawn too quickly, and I wanted to do Tanaris quests.

48-52 Dunemaul Ogres in Tanaris (great Mageweave drops). I like the NE ruins for the early levels, as I could move around it in a circle. Once I got to 50, I liked the higher density in the actual Dunemaul Compound area.

52-56 Western Plaugelands. The field with the Skeletal Slayers right by the Bulwark. Great Runecloth drops, and actually I prefered to kill the melees here over the casters (casters seemed to have the same HP and armor as melees). I've been pulling 26k exp per hour or better here.

Anyone else have good exp spots, or know of other monsters past level 36 that have cloth armor for the entire camp?

[wodin]

First question, Is there a particular reason you chose to grind instead of quest/instancing at the lower levels? It seems like grinding would be more efficacious later when there are fewer quests and those quests require more work.

That said, it's my understanding that finding appropriately leveled Ogres and Yeti is a very effective grinding technique for rogues 30-50, as they have little to no armor and yet are melee fighters with no real special effects.

Thus, around level 35 the Yeti outside Frostmaw's Cave would be useful, and one could go west and then into Arathi and onwards.

[azhreal]

20,000 xp per hour at level 26-30 on mobs? Wtf.. lol. I need to stop wasting my time doing quests I guess, but I still don't see how that is possible. How much xp per mob, 200? 20,000 / 200 = 100 mobs. As a mage my kill amount in 1 hour on even con mobs would be closer to 60. Was that all solo?

[Ratama]

20,000 xp per hour at level 26-30 on mobs? Wtf.. lol. I need to stop wasting my time doing quests I guess, but I still don't see how that is possible. How much xp per mob, 200? 20,000 / 200 = 100 mobs. As a mage my kill amount in 1 hour on even con mobs would be closer to 60. Was that all solo?

Yeah, that is all solo. Between 120 and 200 experience per kill for the most part after level 20.

I usually kill 5-6 targets before resting for 10-20 seconds. Kill time per target is closer to 15-20 seconds, finding new targets was about 12 seconds on average (sometimes involving sapping or moving + range pull), the additional time is running to town to sell and other misc stuff (selling actually takes a significant amount of time).

But I did find that any quest that involved more than 5 mintues of travel without combat was a waste of time unless it gave an item I needed.

[Silth]

I would like to know this as well, maybe in a few alliance alligned zones, even though contested, darkshire seems like a good spot, maybe in a catacomb or something.

Good info overall. Thanks.

[wodin]

What kind of gold/hour were you getting during the grinding? I'm looking at being less than 10% to a mount at 30, and needless to say I'm sorta worried about that :(

[Ratama]

What kind of gold/hour were you getting during the grinding? I'm looking at being less than 10% to a mount at 30, and needless to say I'm sorta worried about that :(

About 3-4 gold per hour I'd say (at the level 26+ spots). I spend a lot though. I usually get 4-5 big sell drops in an hour which go for about 25-30 silver each to vendors, just short of 1 silver per kill in cash, and another 1-2 gold in misc. potions, pages, green items. About 5-6 mageweave per hour, and 20+ silk per hour which I do not sell. All of my trade skill resources are given at no cost to my guild, so if I included those in the take, it's probably more like 6-7 gold per hour.

If I stay away from the AH for the next 5 levels, I should have my mount and them some, even after taking out training expenses.

[Lustt]

whats your in game name Ratama ?

just want to see the sort of items your using.

[partoN]

Could anyone make one of these lists for alliance areas?

Thanks :lol:

[Ratama]

whats your in game name Ratama ?

just want to see the sort of items your using.

I finally found myself on Thottbot, but it looks like it's 12 days old:

http://www.thottbot.com/?profile=Jekar.Silver_Hand

In my opinion there are only 3 things that matter on equipment for a Rogue:

- Main hand weapon of the highest Damage range possible, I currently use Olman Sewar http://www.thottbot.com/?i=2993
- Offhand weapon as fast as possible for poison application (poison on this has only been doing about 2% of my damage, so I'd throw that out the window for good stats)
- Agility gear. Stamina is nice, but it's not nearly as nice as dodging more and hitting harder when you level. My max hit points doesn't help me level faster, I use bandages for that (that said, I still have a lot of stamina on my agility gear, and currently at 34, I have just short of 1,500 hp).

[Hogart]

to get to Stranglthorn Vale, you use the boat to booty bay, or?

[Ratama]

to get to Stranglthorn Vale, you use the boat to booty bay, or?

Booty Bay is the higher level area, I take the Zeplin the Grom'Gol Base Camp. The Raptors immediately around there are 35-36, but as soon as you get past them to the north you starting getting into the level 30-34 stuff.

[Ignis]

Dude this is excellent :-D, you don't know how frustrating its been to level for me, I'm almost lvl21 and it takes 3-5 hours PER level doing the damned quests, they not only involve traveling forever, drop items I don't need, but are disappointing in terms of experience given, I mean I can understand that they are fun and a nice change, but when it takes 10 minutes of grinding in your given zones, why quest if JUST after xp? Also, can you post how you usually kill, cause at the moment I'm killing lvl20-22 bears/spiders outside of Tauren Mill and despite giving 138-158 xp per kill (lvl20-22) I still only manage roughly 12k xp per hours, thanks :).

[Ratama]

Dude this is excellent :-D, you don't know how frustrating its been to level for me, I'm almost lvl21 and it takes 3-5 hours PER level doing the damned quests, they not only involve traveling forever, drop items I don't need, but are disappointing in terms of experience given, I mean I can understand that they are fun and a nice change, but when it takes 10 minutes of grinding in your given zones, why quest if JUST after xp? Also, can you post how you usually kill, cause at the moment I'm killing lvl20-22 bears/spiders outside of Tauren Mill and despite giving 138-158 xp per kill (lvl20-22) I still only manage roughly 12k xp per hours, thanks :).

If it's crowded there, I would say skip the bears and head into the Syndicate fort. Almost every fight for me is 3-4 Sinis and then Eviscerate for the finish, crippling poison on the mainhand, instant on the offhand.

If you are not getting to your next target well before Remorseless expires than the area is too crowded.

If you are using anything other than Sini and Eviscerate, it's probably a waste of energy.

My damage make-up on Kurzen last night after updating to the new UI was about like this:

46% Sinister Strike
36% Default
14% Eviscerate
2% Instant Poison
2% Kicks and Throwing

If you find your Default Damage is higher and your Sini damage is a lot lower on your mix, then you probably need to find a slower mainhand weapon.

I usually floated at just under 20,000 per hour in Hillsbrad, but if I got into a crowded area, I noticed that dipped to 14-15k per hour in a hurry.

[azhreal]

Ah ok.. well unfortunately solo xp as a mage is not feasible. I need some mage tactics on how to level cause every fight = downtime for us. 200 xp for an even con that lasts about 20 seconds and then 20 seconds of downtime, so at 50 seconds average per mob which would be moving quick that's only 72 mobs x 200 = 14,400 xp. I'd call it fair to say it would be more like 1 mob per minute at 60 mobs = 12,000xp per hour :P

[Anonymous]

Tanaris Pirates , Ogres
Blasted lands Ogres , Bunring Steppes Ogres and/or Blackrock Orcs
Yeti Cave in Winterspring
SOme good grind spots later :)
But i like to do quests and i lvl with the same speed :)

[Ignis]

Where is the syndicate fort? I'm lvl 22 now and was wondering what weapons you are using, this is what i do, ive got 2 daggers btw (Kintoun's Stealther Rogue build), I stealth, Ambush, Gouge, Backstab, Sinister Strike x 2, Eviscerate (save a couple misses made up with SS).

[Lustt]

the syndicate fort is south/south west from tarren mill. tbh, i wouldnt bother with gouge backstbab. just SS them really. try and fight mobs two lvl's lower than u, 4 combo points will normally be enough for the evisc to kill them...easy

stealth is fantastic when ur quessting and things, but i find its just easier to run around ss spamming really. even with daggers.

[Ignis]

thanks dude

[Ratama]

I'd cough up the gold for a respec to one of the Assassination/Combat builds until higher level.

Kintoun is spot on with those builds, but if you read some of his threads where he answers questions about getting solo experience, the recommended build is Sword/Mace mainhand and pure Sinister Strikes.

At 50-55 you can drop 5 gold on another respec and go back to the stealther build for great instance utility and damage in a group.

[Ratama]

Another note, I went back to the Kurzen last night at level 35 and although my exp per kill had only dropped about 10% (due to level) and I think my kill rate had improved to match that, there were two other people hunting the camp, and the delays finding targets brought my exp down to 19,000 per hour. Very frustrating.

I did Trolls at the ruins a bit, but they are much harder to kill because of specials, and roamer pathing, and armor, so my experience there dropped to 18,000 per hour.

I'll play around with Yeti some this weekend, but I think their higher hitpoint totals are going to keep it in the low 20k range at best. Kurzen (if uncamped by others) remains the single best exp camp I have seen in this game yet.

[cian]

how do you reset the session timer ?

[Ratama]

how do you reset the session timer ?

right now you have to do a /console reloadui

I think Tivoli said he was looking at putting another, faster option in the UI to do it, but I don't think that made it in this run (I can't find it).

If you do the /console reloadui expect about a 10 second lockup, or up to 20 seconds in an instance.

[cian]

haha. it was more like 45+ seconds for me but i play on a calculator :(

ps: thanks

[dr_AllCOM3]

Would these spots work for a warr too?
Had trouble with the Theramore Marines at 17, the Southsea Bandits and Cannoneers did the job for that lvl, at 18 right now I'm at the Southsea Privateers and stuff.
But I can get your exp/h rate :)

[Genjo]

sry for being such a noob but how are you guys tracking exp I see no options what so ever

[Andaren]

I think its an option in one of the custom UI's.

[Ratama]

Would these spots work for a warr too?
Had trouble with the Theramore Marines at 17, the Southsea Bandits and Cannoneers did the job for that lvl, at 18 right now I'm at the Southsea Privateers and stuff.
But I can get your exp/h rate :)

It should work for a Warrior, but you may have to adjust where you go by a level so, just like you saw. This list should work for any class that does a lot of melee damage really.

I updated the main list for the levels I got this weekend and the new spot I am using inside the Kurzen cave now.

[Watzit2ya]

WasteWater Bandits/Thiefs and the Warlocks are good to grind in Eastern Tanaris. There are camps all over. Good Gold/XP per hour. ABout 1 in every 3-5 kills 1 will drop a quest item, some water pouch. For ever 5 you turn in you get 380 XP, and a care package that has potions sometimes. Its an extra XP bonus. I spent a while there yesterday at lvl 42 and turned in 110 at once, got over 8k XP and 10 potions on top of the Grind XP. They are anywhere from lvl 40-44 with some wandering nameds that are lvl 46. Im lvl 42 and have no problem with the lvl 40-44 ones. They do Disarm every now and then, and gouge alot. But then they interupt the gouge by hitting you.

[Anonymous]

Hm if u grind in Tanaris grind the pirates or ogres ! Pirates drop a quest (3 parts from a map or a key for a chest which has a green item in it :) )
Pirates are great to grind imo !
Or try the ogres some good loots in their loot table

[Renton]

Animals N of ratchet work much much better for lvls 13 or 14-18 or 19, seeing as how only the plainstriders run and they are quite easy, pay out 20 more xp than the theramores and pirates. Just FYI.


-Renton

[Ellestar]

For a Shadow Priest (thanks for suggestions on forums to get Shadow for levelling), i consider a good exp when i can grind no slower than 6*current lvl minutes to get next level (but in most cases it's faster). AFAIK rogue grinds faster, but maybe i'm wrong (i didn't played in beta, so i don't know).
The problem is to find a good spawns, it takes a lot of time even with thottbot.com and wow.allakhazam.com

Lvl 28-30 - Ashenvale Forest - Xavian
Satyrs, it's possible to grind on melee ones only, they cast ~4sec casting time 100% heal when they have less than ~15% health, but it's not a big problem with a good DPS or fear.
Probably 15% running time spawn
No adds if it's cleared properly

Lvl 33-34 - Alterac Mountains, south from Ruins of Alterac
Mountain Yeti, skinning

Lvl 35-39 - Alterac Mountains, east or north from Ruins of Alterac
Ogres, good % cloth drop

Lvl 37-39 - Dustwallow Marsh, north from Brackenwall Village, near the entrance to a spider cave
Spiders lvl 35-36, 5.5%-6.3% Shadow Silk drop
Just stand in the center of a round spawn and nuke everything that moves, surprisingly good exp. Moderate chances of adds and web, so probably harder on lower lvls.
If you feel uber, try to get in the cave at lvl 38/priest (lvl 37-39 spiders, half are invisible, some wander, they chaincast web, fast respawn time... grinding is practically impossible), on a lvl 39 it's good in a cave, easy on lvl 40.

Lvl 42-44 - Feralas - Grimtotem Compound, north spawn (NW from Camp Mojache)
Humanoids lvl 41-44, 2/3 melee, 1/4 healers, 1/12 casters (naturalsts not in bear form) Healers heal for 1/2 health
11,5% running time, a little too small spawn, but south one is worse IMHO (bad spawn form, pulls of 2 monsters in some places etc.)
No adds if it's cleared properly

Lvl 44 - Azshara - north from Shadowsong Shrine
Undead lvl 44-45, 1/2 casters 1/2 melee, good shadow resists, but good exp anyways.
20% running time, good % cloth drop.
Mobs wander in a small area around their location, no adds if a site is cleared properly.
29k exp/hour (?)

Lvl 45-48 - Searing Gorge - The Cauldron, east entrance - a room with unconscious elemental and an altar in the center
Humanoids lvl 45-47, good % cloth drop
~11,5% running time (for ranged char)
3/4 stationary mobs, 1/4 wander in a small area, one mob wanders around a room, no adds if a site is cleared properly and that one wandering mob is taken care of
32k exp/hour

Lvl 45-48 - Tanaris - Southmoon Ruins (Dunemaul Compound is too crowded)
Ogres lvl 45-48, good % cloth drop
2/3 melee, 1/3 mages, 20% running time, stationary mobs
29,5k exp/hour

Lvl 49-51 - Feralas - Ruins of Ravenwind
Humanoids (Northspring ***) lvl 48-50, good % cloth drop, low HPs
2/3 melee, 1/3 mages, 20% running time, mobs wander (some only in a small area), moderate chances of adds in some parts of the spawn
34k exp/hour (?)

[Ratama]

Thanks Ellestar, I'm going to add your info to this post on my guild's website too if you don't mind. That's good info and I know we have two tailors in the 30s looking for Silk spots too.

[Ellestar]

Thanks Ellestar, I'm going to add your info to this post on my guild's website too if you don't mind. That's good info and I know we have two tailors in the 30s looking for Silk spots too.
No problem :)
Don't forget, you can search for a good cloth drops (or any other drops for that matter) on http://www.thottbot.com and http://wow.allakhazam.com/
thottbot is probably more useful for that - just sort list by (1) level and (2) drop rate and you got what you need. Like that http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=2946&sort=level&sort2=droppct
Also, don't forget that you can switch to a data from beta - useful for a high-lvl content http://www.thottbot.com/beta.cgi?i=Mageweave+Cloth&sort=level&sort2=droppct

BTW i got 146 Bolts of Mageweave, decided to make some bags to get rid of it :) No room in a bank.

[arch]

Please make this post a sticky, really good imo.

[havok19]

Anyone got good spot on alliance side it would be usefull too !

[Clavical]

Where do you go after 50?

Also, what is the best exp/hour procedure for killing as a mage?
Im mostly fire spec'd as according to the character boards PvE path..


It seems like mages get less xp/hour

but then again,.. I might not be doing something right

[wurzeltim]

hmmm im a warrior and i just get 3/4 of the xp/hour ratama gets. is it because im a warrior or because im doing something wrong? i play with a fury build and a 2h ...could i do better otherwise? i think im playing well but perhaps not, because i just cant get the xp/hour ...is there any warrior who can?

[Sharur]

What exactly you call Grinding ? it' s just EXPing or it mean something else ?

[Hogart]

I can get arround 20k exp /h as a shaman. But not in the exact zoones / areas described here, since this is leveling hotspots written by a rogue. And im not a rogue. Try grinding arreas for yourselves. Use areas written as a path, not the correct answer.

[wurzeltim]

i tried other areas who work better for me but i still cant get the xp/hour ...now with 33 (korea beta ;)) im still searching a nice place, in most places i get about 20k xp/hour

[Ghetto]

anyone know some good grinding spots for a level 56 rogue? the ogres at dreadmaul rock are too low and the (non-caster) orcs in blackrock stronghold are too tough

[Jumai]

Ghetto, try the ironwood cave in northern Felwood. The elementals in there die pretty well and drop money and herbs.

[Ellestar]

Another hotspot - Legashi Satyrs lvl 51-53 http://thottbot.com/beta.cgi?m=28350
I was on central spot on this map.
36,5k exp/hour on lvl 53 (with water)
Drops Demonic Rune http://thottbot.com/beta.cgi?i=17176 (timer is different from potions), Felcloth, Runecloth.
If Legashi Rogues are invisible to you, fill a flasket from this quest http://thottbot.com/beta.cgi?q=5142 (i know it made Haldarr ones visible, and i was with it on this spot, so maybe i saw Legashi Rogues because of this flask).

[Ellestar]

I'm stuck again, can't find a good spawn TT
Any beta players know a good spot for a lvl 55 Shadow Priest? 10 days played already, i want to finally get that lvl 60 and respec.

[Ryanzbane]

UPDATED:

32-37 Kurzen camp in North Stranglethorn Vale (outside cave) 26,000 -32,000 exp per hour. This actually got better as I went up in level as long as no one else was at the camp. At level 36, I tested about 1/4 of the level and my experience rate was 32,640 per hour when I had to stop and go sell.


From what I've seen, the alliance pretty much runs that place. I took your advice and wen't over there and have continually gotten double or triple teamed for the past 2 hours now (was hoping it would eventually let up).

Any suggestions where a lvl 31 warlock can grind some out w/o so much turbulance (or is that wishful thinking)?

[SandDemon]

Where do you go after 42? I'm 41 now and Kurzen cave is slowly down...even killing the 38s

[Ratama]

UPDATED:

32-37 Kurzen camp in North Stranglethorn Vale (outside cave) 26,000 -32,000 exp per hour. This actually got better as I went up in level as long as no one else was at the camp. At level 36, I tested about 1/4 of the level and my experience rate was 32,640 per hour when I had to stop and go sell.


From what I've seen, the alliance pretty much runs that place. I took your advice and wen't over there and have continually gotten double or triple teamed for the past 2 hours now (was hoping it would eventually let up).

Any suggestions where a lvl 31 warlock can grind some out w/o so much turbulance (or is that wishful thinking)?

Well, I agree the Kurzen camp is a bad idea for your case. The outside has alliance people visiting it for a quest, and over the last week on my server that area became more and more busy with alliance (we are outnumbered by alliance 5:1 according to the WoW Census stuff though).

I don't know if there are enough to grind on, but in the lake there next to the camp (just southwest of the Kurzen), there are these fish that are level 30-31/32 if I recall. About the only thing they have going for them in the way of surviveability is that they are in the water. They have no armor and not very many hp. I think there are 12-15 of them in the lake and up the river.

If that isn't enough to keep you busy, try the Wyvern canyon on the south wall of 1,000 needles (up near the NW corner of the zone, but on the south wall). I didn't see many alliance up there, and usually only solos when I did.

Good luck to you though, I think grinding on a PvP server after a lot of people are in your level range and above is a rough road to travel for sure.

[Ratama]

Where do you go after 42? I'm 41 now and Kurzen cave is slowly down...even killing the 38s

I moved to Feralas and started the quests there with the Gnolls and Ogres, once I got through the easy quests, I was 44 and can grind pretty well on the Gnoll Mystics/Reavers to the south. At 46 I plan to move to the Yetis that Kintoun was killing in his recent video (great mining in there too).

[Flight]

I'd been interested to hear from folk if they think yesterdays increase in mob HP's has effected their XP per hour.

It 'seemed' to slow down my XP at Dunemaul's in Tanaris from 28k per/hr the day before the patch to 22-23k today, at lvl 46/47. This was in no way under controlled conditions so thats why I say it 'seemed'.

[wurzeltim]

can any warrior give me advice where i should lvl with 43?
im now in feralas and tried many spots, but i just cant get good xp ...im currently stuck on about 20-24k xp/hour - is that because of the patch or is it me? and where can i grind mobs for some plate armor?

[Ratama]

can any warrior give me advice where i should lvl with 43?
im now in feralas and tried many spots, but i just cant get good xp ...im currently stuck on about 20-24k xp/hour - is that because of the patch or is it me? and where can i grind mobs for some plate armor?

I didn't find it until 46 of course, but I love the Ogre cave in the SW corner of the Badlands. It's 80% Ogre Mages that have almost no HP and definitely no armor. Be carefull as the Lords mixed in with them do yell for help (but not a huge range on it). With just a touch of caution in here I had 100% single pulls.

You need at least one spell interupt to do this. 2 is ideal. They seem to be great exp all the way until 47-48, then the cave starts to get too small.

I don't think you are going to find many spots that give over 30k an hour now after the HP and armor changes. 25k an hour still beats the hell out of questing though.

[ozeloth]

what weapon types do you use main and offhand and why ratama? and what talent build do you use while leveling and why?

been very disappointed in my warrior so im thinking of rerolling a rogue even tho its a bit fotm :)

sorry if you've answered these questions earlier in the thread then i must have missed it.

[Dendriath]

what weapon types do you use main and offhand and why ratama? and what talent build do you use while leveling and why?

been very disappointed in my warrior so im thinking of rerolling a rogue even tho its a bit fotm :)

sorry if you've answered these questions earlier in the thread then i must have missed it.

I would like to know this too.
I'm planning to roll a rogue as my alt. ^^

[Ratama]

what weapon types do you use main and offhand and why ratama? and what talent build do you use while leveling and why?

been very disappointed in my warrior so im thinking of rerolling a rogue even tho its a bit fotm :)

sorry if you've answered these questions earlier in the thread then i must have missed it.

I use the slowest Mace/Sword I can find Mainhand. Offhand I use the best DPS weapon I can get.

Talent-wise, did the following (for leveling only). Start with Improved Sini, then do all of the Assassination, then back to Combat:

Assassination Talents (30 points)


Remorseless Attacks - 5/5 points
After killing an opponent that yields experience, gives you a 40% increased critical strike chance on your next Sinister Strike, Backstab, Ambush, or Ghostly Strike.


Improved Eviscerate - 3/3 points
Increases the damage done by your Eviscerate ability by 15%.


Malice - 5/5 points
Increases your critical strike chance by 5%.


Ruthlessness - 3/3 points
Gives your finishing moves a 60% chance to add a combo point to your target.


Murder - 2/2 points
Increases your chance to hit while using your Sap, Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot abilities by 5%.


Lethality - 5/5 points
Increases the critical strike damage bonus of your Sinister Strike, Gouge, Backstab, Ambush, Ghostly Strike, or Hemorrhage ability by 30%.


Relentless Strikes - 1/1 point
Your finishing moves have a 20% chance per combo point to restore 25 energy.


Cold Blood - 1/1 point
When activated, increases the critical strike chance of your next Sinister Strike, Backstab, Ambush, or Eviscerate by 100%.


Seal Fate - 5/5 points
Your critical strikes from abilities that add combo points have a 100% chance to add an additional combo point.




Combat Talents (21 points)


Improved Sinister Strike - 2/2 points
Reduces the Energy cost of your Sinister Strike ability by 5 Energy.


Lightning Reflexes - 4/5 points
Increases your Dodge chance by 4%.


Improved Gouge - 3/3 points
Increases the effect duration of your Gouge ability by 1.5 seconds.


Deflection - 5/5 points
Increases your Parry chance by 5%.


Precision - 5/5 points
Increases your chance to hit with melee weapons by 5%.


Riposte - 1/1 point
A strike that becomes active after parrying an opponent's attack. This attack deals 150% weapon damage and disarms the target for 6 seconds.


Blade Flurry - 1/1 point
Increases your attack speed by 20%. In addition, attacks strike an additional nearby opponent. Lasts 15 seconds.




Subtlety Talents (0 points)


None


Here is every weapon I have gone through in my mainhand and the order I used them:

http://www.thottbot.com/?i=2840
http://www.thottbot.com/?i=15014
http://www.thottbot.com/?i=2154
http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=2827
http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=5858
http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=10354
http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=2993
http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=3877

And I am currently using:

http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=9523

[ozeloth]

thanks, i always thought pretty much max combat tree while leveling, is that the cookie cutter or is yours? while leveling only of course.

or maybe im just mixing everything i've heard :)

[Rokian]

Thanks for all this info Ratama, although I find it very hard to get a good slow weapon, the olman sewar is no longer attainable ( they updated the quest and now it has a different reward) and my auction house is pretty much dead, any suggestions on slow weapons I can get for my level? I'm currently using

http://www.thottbot.com/?i=10799 - main hand

http://www.thottbot.com/?i=5092 - off hand.

Also, I'll share some of my best grind spots. (note I haven't read through all the pages)

22-25 Furbolgs outside astranaar 19,500 xp per hour (note I wouldn't try this on PvP server) .

29-32 Wyverns in Highperch, 21,000 xp / hour LOTS of skinning - heavy leather, heavy hides I've also noticed that DoTs rip these apart, it seems they have high armor but little to no hp, opening with garrote was ending the fight in 10 seconds.

33-37 - Magram Centaur in Desolace, 25,000 xp / hour make sure your grinding magram centaur and not gelkis, the gelkis are much lower level and have summons so they are poor experience, the magram vary from 32-27 and have little to no armor (just watch out for the wandering centaur with level 39 hyenas's!)

37-40 Ogres near crushridge hold in alteric mountains, 27,000 xp / hour almost always silk drop and 2 silver per kill 2-4 gold per hour. Good mining, silver mithril iron.

[Ratama]

thanks, i always thought pretty much max combat tree while leveling, is that the cookie cutter or is yours? while leveling only of course.

or maybe im just mixing everything i've heard :)

I think people have done that just because it's called the "Combat" tree. Our #1 advantage as a Rogue is that we kill things fast. Half or more of the skills in Combat are dedicated to defense; in fact there are only a couple of offensive talents and you are getting one of them with improved Sini.

In the assassination tree, all of those talents I listed provide damage output, or energy for more damage output. And the synergy later on between Improved Eviscerate, Lethality, Seal Fate, and Cold Blood is a beautiful thing.

[Ratama]

Thanks for all this info Ratama, although I find it very hard to get a good slow weapon, the olman sewar is no longer attainable ( they updated the quest and now it has a different reward) and my auction house is pretty much dead, any suggestions on slow weapons I can get for my level? I'm currently using

http://www.thottbot.com/?i=10799 - main hand

http://www.thottbot.com/?i=5092 - off hand.

Also, I'll share some of my best grind spots. (note I haven't read through all the pages)

22-25 Furbolgs outside astranaar 19,500 xp per hour (note I wouldn't try this on PvP server) .

29-32 Wyverns in Highperch, 21,000 xp / hour LOTS of skinning - heavy leather, heavy hides I've also noticed that DoTs rip these apart, it seems they have high armor but little to no hp, opening with garrote was ending the fight in 10 seconds.

33-37 - Magram Centaur in Desolace, 25,000 xp / hour make sure your grinding magram centaur and not gelkis, the gelkis are much lower level and have summons so they are poor experience, the magram vary from 32-27 and have little to no armor (just watch out for the wandering centaur with level 39 hyenas's!)

37-40 Ogres near crushridge hold in alteric mountains, 27,000 xp / hour almost always silk drop and 2 silver per kill 2-4 gold per hour. Good mining, silver mithril iron.

I wish I had better advice than to keep an eye on the AH, but I don't. There are no quest weapons at all in that level range that meet the desired speeds. If you can get groups that can beat Mograine and Whitemane in the Scarlet Monestary (I'm not sure what level you are at; but this requires a level 39-40ish group), then keep doing that over and over until you get a hammer off of Whitemane:

http://www.thottbot.com/?i=7662

Otherwise, just keep watching the AH for a Furious Falchion, or a Skullcrusher (mace). They are both relatively common greens off of mid-40s stuff, we just had a Furious Falchion drop in Zul'Farrak last night.

Edit: Just found this on Thottbot

http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=6828

Nice level 40 quest reward that's about as good as Olman Sewar.

[Rokian]

Thanks, I'm currently 38 I'll talk to my guild try and farm her for the mace.

[Rokian]

Ok I'm 38 and I'm trying the kurzen inside the cave, I snuck past the headshrinkers and commandos to the elites and witchdoctors but I'm having a real hard time grinding, I can barely pull one alone and they run into groups of 7 I usually have to vanish every other pull, am I doing something wrong?

[wurzeltim]

the new patch added armor to the kurzen, so its not a good grinding spot anymore ...

[Rokian]

the new patch added armor to the kurzen, so its not a good grinding spot anymore ...

Oh I see.. Any suggestions for 38-42 or something?

[ozeloth]

trolls in North east STV, the 36-38 ones not the 35ish ones

[cmister]

Ok I'm 38 and I'm trying the kurzen inside the cave, I snuck past the headshrinkers and commandos to the elites and witchdoctors but I'm having a real hard time grinding, I can barely pull one alone and they run into groups of 7 I usually have to vanish every other pull, am I doing something wrong?

I'm 37 and I headed in there. The guys are easy enough to kill, but it seems like there is no end to them. They are in large groups all linking range. I would kill 2 and another would would come, I would kill that one and another one would come. I was sucking potions left and right. I finally just called it quits after I was done fighting 4 lvl 37-38 in a row and about 7 spawned right behind me. Looted all the corpses and took the spirit healer, there was no way I was going to be able to get my corpse and get back out alive.

[Hogart]

How did you manage with those pulls? You should be able to get clean pulls with 1 mob all the time, except from the houses, stable, and the tent.

[cmister]

How did you manage with those pulls? You should be able to get clean pulls with 1 mob all the time, except from the houses, stable, and the tent.

Inside the cave by the elites they are all in large groups.
I never had any problems when I was fighting outside the cave, just sap one and kill the other... too bad I'm not able to sap 2+ people which would have been extremely helpful in the cave. :p

[Mad]

How on earth are you putting up those numbers? I'm not even getting close in some of the exact same spots as you listed.

In some other areas I can match those, but where you were, no way. So yeah, I'd definitely like some hints as to how you are keeping your kill rate so high. Thanks for the guide, its working great =)

[Brian]

if you're horde, good luck getting any grinding done anywhere in STV.

unless you're on a pve server ;)

i try to grind/quest there nightly, and at least 90% of my time is spent pvp'ing. You may find centaurs in desolace to be a better spot. The exp isn't so great (around 23-25k/hour in the mid 30's).. but it's much quieter so you should have fewer interruptions, meaning you'd be getting better exp overall.

After 37 though i've been pretty unable to find a good grinding spot. Might just have to grind out a few SM groups or something :o

[Ralrra]

How on earth are you putting up those numbers? I'm not even getting close in some of the exact same spots as you listed.

In some other areas I can match those, but where you were, no way. So yeah, I'd definitely like some hints as to how you are keeping your kill rate so high. Thanks for the guide, its working great =)

This last patch added armor to a lot of grindable mobs (yetis in feralas, kurzen, etc.)

[ozeloth]

ratama i just have one more question then ill get off your back ^^

what tactic do you use when leveling? do you open with cheap shot on mobs or you don't bother with it and just go head on with SS and eviscerate spam?


I'm used to palying a warrior so I'm more of a head on guns drawn tactics kinda guy but since im rerolling a rogue when EU opens i wanna have the most effective way ready so i can level as fast as possible :)

and thanks again for all the great info you've shared.

[Afgar]

Question for you experienced shaman players:

With the recent -5% crit bonus to our schocks, is elemental still as viable? It seems to me that the elemental build pretty much relies on shock crits and to take away the 5% really sounds like it hurts. (The 5% im speaking of is the one that used to be on the Tidal Mastery talent)

I am an enhancement shaman at level 56 and I can't really see a strong reason to go elemental. The only thing is the imp shock cast time.

[evilution]

I love my shocks :( I actually found it was faster to use shocks with the 3 shock tallents + clearcasting (rest tallents in enhance) + melee than to use lightning shield + melee + healing to grind. A couple shocks can bring down the mob quick when your windfury refuses to proc (where lightning shield only fires off 177 damage every few (5?) seconds).

I can usually kill for about 7-10 mins before i need to rest (i kill till i am out of mana and health and i feel like setting town to eat rather than use First Aid). I also focus alot on spirit.

Thats just me tho. I can pull in 30-32k xp an hr in the right places at 51.

[Ratama]

ratama i just have one more question then ill get off your back ^^

what tactic do you use when leveling? do you open with cheap shot on mobs or you don't bother with it and just go head on with SS and eviscerate spam?


I'm used to palying a warrior so I'm more of a head on guns drawn tactics kinda guy but since im rerolling a rogue when EU opens i wanna have the most effective way ready so i can level as fast as possible :)

and thanks again for all the great info you've shared.

I just play the Rogue like you would the Warrior. I think stealthing up to things, using Cheap Shot (or any other high energy use skill that does no damage), is just a waste of good time where you could be doing damage.

My PvE grinding technique has very little subtelty to it. I just Sinister Strike until I have 4-5 combo points, Eviscerate, and repeat until the target is dead (if you do more than 2 eviscrates you are probably fighting the wrong thing though; find something easier to kill).

[ozeloth]

just what i wanted to hear!

thanks :)

[Nox]

I like opening with cheap shot, getting an additional combo pt from backstab and then hitting slice and dice.

against mages in a fight I will be more conservative and rely on gouge, kick and kidney shot to suppress casting.

On melee I rely on slice and dice, and evisc.

[Ratama]

I like opening with cheap shot, getting an additional combo pt from backstab and then hitting slice and dice.

against mages in a fight I will be more conservative and rely on gouge, kick and kidney shot to suppress casting.

On melee I rely on slice and dice, and evisc.

Nox, have you ever compared exp/hour using S&D vs. Eviscerate? Just curious because I look at my DPS parses and Exp/Hour a lot, and what I have found is this:

SS does 35-38% of my damage (depending on what weapon I have at the time)
Default Melee does 32-36% (again dependent on current gear)
Eviscerate does about 15-16%
Poisons and misc. do the rest

S&D only increases your default melee damage (the only part of this affected by haste), and it does it by a maximum of 30%. So if it was active for the whole fight it could add as much as 10.8% to total damage. But you have to build combo points for about half the fight to use it for the last half, so it's really only adding about 5.4%. That does not nearly make up for the 15-16% damage you lose with eviscerate.

S&D sucks ass in practice.

[mr.toker]

This brings you all back to the beginning of the post where this guy states that if a quest takes more than 5 minutes of travelling time to do its not worth it in terms of xp gained (unless its for an item he wants).

Is it just me or does that just make this into another verion of diablo where u jsut concentrate on lvling instead of exploring the vast worlds created here where the quests take u.

I'd rather play the game and do all the quests instead of grinding for hours on end.

If Im repeating someone here im sorry, i skipped the 5 pages inbetween this and the first one..... :roll:

[ozeloth]

then dont grind? He's not forcing you to do anything he's just presenting his way of leveling

[mr.toker]

yeah ok i know he isnt making people grind. Just wondering how many of you people reading this post are actually already so sick of the world of warcraft so that you skip quests and grind.

[jobanaaa]

It's not him. At some moment, you just getting sick of doing stupid quests and run around, like "delivery-boy". Instead you want KILL.

[Ratama]

This brings you all back to the beginning of the post where this guy states that if a quest takes more than 5 minutes of travelling time to do its not worth it in terms of xp gained (unless its for an item he wants).

Is it just me or does that just make this into another verion of diablo where u jsut concentrate on lvling instead of exploring the vast worlds created here where the quests take u.

I'd rather play the game and do all the quests instead of grinding for hours on end.

If Im repeating someone here im sorry, i skipped the 5 pages inbetween this and the first one..... :roll:

Well since I average about 3 hours per level (counting slower post 40, but much faster pre 20) and I am now level 54. And I have 10 days played rather than 6.75 that would have been strictly leveling. I think it's safe to say I have spent my fair share of time exploring the world.

This post is for people like me (probably the majority that read this board), that think most of the game happens at level 60. Other than some time to look around when I feel like it, I'm going to get there as quickly as I can. That's the game I enjoy.

[ozeloth]

i just dont see how "go kill blabla and bring me 10 blabla" is considered exploring the world, you dont need quests to discover new zones, hell just the other day i took my mount and checked out the blackrock area inbetween grinding.

[Ratama]

i just dont see how "go kill blabla and bring me 10 blabla" is considered exploring the world, you dont need quests to discover new zones, hell just the other day i took my mount and checked out the blackrock area inbetween grinding.

Exactly my opinion

[Nox]

I like opening with cheap shot, getting an additional combo pt from backstab and then hitting slice and dice.

against mages in a fight I will be more conservative and rely on gouge, kick and kidney shot to suppress casting.

On melee I rely on slice and dice, and evisc.

Nox, have you ever compared exp/hour using S&D vs. Eviscerate? Just curious because I look at my DPS parses and Exp/Hour a lot, and what I have found is this:

SS does 35-38% of my damage (depending on what weapon I have at the time)
Default Melee does 32-36% (again dependent on current gear)
Eviscerate does about 15-16%
Poisons and misc. do the rest

S&D only increases your default melee damage (the only part of this affected by haste), and it does it by a maximum of 30%. So if it was active for the whole fight it could add as much as 10.8% to total damage. But you have to build combo points for about half the fight to use it for the last half, so it's really only adding about 5.4%. That does not nearly make up for the 15-16% damage you lose with eviscerate.

S&D sucks ass in practice.

S&D doesn't miss, whereas evisc can - and there's no 'loss' to S&D other than travel time. I encounter two mobs, sap one, build up combo, S&D, kill one, then start on the other with S&D still active from the first.

So, your model is too discrete to accurately analyze S&D, per my experience.

Mind you, I'm not saying I'm sold on S&D - I am still considering everything.

That is the fascinating thing about rogues, in that there are many different combinations of talents and tactics to employ for entirely different effects.

[Jumai]

I'm a numbers guy, so during my rogue days I did a lot of hard-math based on S&D.

My conclusion was at 60 (S&D rank 2), with both evsic and S&D fully talented, with good but not exceptional equipmant S&D should be roughly equal in damage to evisc. Which is better at any given time is going to vary based on weapons and evisc rank, but generally speaking before 50 (S&D 2) evisc is outright better.

Evisc has an advantage in that it's instant, as a true finisher it is better (0 seconds to win from 5 points instead of waiting to melee someone down). However S&D is 10 energy cheaper, which should not be overlooked.

My main beef with S&D is it is not the best in any scenario aside from rescuing ocmbo points from waste, and even then only if you're in range of another mob. If you want to drop something early from DOT, rupture is better. If you need damage NOW evisc is better. If you want some bonus damage and messing up casters, KP is better (unless it's on deminishing returns).

Frankly I used it when a mob is about to die and pretty much only then. If you're soloing 2 mobs with sap or instances, essentially. It's also sort of hilarious to use with blade flurry, hitting 2 mobs at 150% speed. Woo.

[jaffro]

Ratama:

Great grind spots, I used a few of them myself. I'm currently 36, so I'll be past the Kurzen area soon, can you post where you level'd from 42 to 54? Which spots you used? Thanks. :)

[Ratama]

Ratama:

Great grind spots, I used a few of them myself. I'm currently 36, so I'll be past the Kurzen area soon, can you post where you level'd from 42 to 54? Which spots you used? Thanks. :)

I never found a "great" spot at 42, but I did decently at the Ogres north of camp Mojache in Feralas (there is a quest for that area as well).

And I also did okay grinding the Gnolls south of Camp Mojache at 43-44 (the higher level Gnolls with the casters are much better than the lower level Gnolls IMO).

Also, at 43-44 you could head for the badlands to do one of 2 spots. Either the Dragon Whelps in the far East (gotta have spell interupts for this). They are also a great mining spot, and are good exp until 46 or so.

The other great spot in Badlands is the Ogre cave in the far SW corner of the zone, actually inside the cave is best if you have spell interupts as most are low hp/low armor casters. Be careful with the few Overlords though, as they do yell for help when below 50% (short range). They are good until 48.

At 48, I like the Ogres in Tanaris. The NE camp was my favorite for that level as I could always get one at a time and just work in a circle around the ruins. Lots of Mageweave here for bandages also. They are great exp until 52ish.

At 52, I'd head to Western Plaugelands and start in the first field there with the Skeletal Slayers and such. Level 50-52 MOBs, and the melees actually went down easier than the casters for me. Really long aggro ranges on these, and you have to watch for roamers. But I'm still grinding there at 55 and getting 28k/hour with a ton of Runecloth and good misc. drops.

[IN-QQQQ]

Go find green mobs to you and just AE them down. You should be able to kill 4-6 of them in one pull.

[Rokian]

Ok, me again I got my rogue to 52 before re-rolling to help my guild, however I am currently 32 just as I did with my rogue I ran my hunter over to STV to hunt kurzen(BTW my rogue is on PVE hunter is PVP) and I was immediatly ganked by a dozen or so alliance questing here, Is there another good spot for me from 32-42? Since the kurzen outside and inside the cave have had their armor buffed majorly and alliance runs the place. - Thanks.

[Chemdog]

If Ellestar happens to read this: how did you conserve your mana so well to kill that much? I find that I drink a bit more often than I should. Do I need to go with a higher int/spi setup over sta/int to keep my regen up? I always am a fan of sta cuz lets face it, health makes you live, but since the goal isn't to get hit, maybe I don't need as much as I thought.

[jobanaaa]

you already know the answer. If you never get hit, but running out of mana with full health, what should you do?

[Chemdog]

Are you just trying to make me look good by letting me answer that rather than taking the credit yourself?

[Palmen]

Wher should i grind as a lvl 23 warrior (EU beta player :P), i tried the spiders outside Tarren mill, but in not geting near 20k/h (was around 14k at lvl 22 and around 10k/h at lvl 23 O_=).

anyone have a nice grind spots for lvl 23-30 for a warrior?

[Ratama]

Wher should i grind as a lvl 23 warrior (EU beta player :P), i tried the spiders outside Tarren mill, but in not geting near 20k/h (was around 14k at lvl 22 and around 10k/h at lvl 23 O_=).

anyone have a nice grind spots for lvl 23-30 for a warrior?

You might want to try the Sydicate fort there in Hillsbrad. Across the river to the east from Tarren Mill, just off the road to the north.

I'd wait till at least 24 before you head to 1,000 needles for the Centaur there, but they were the next good spot for me personally.

[Palmen]

thx for the info :)

[Straem]

Are you just trying to make me look good by letting me answer that rather than taking the credit yourself?


hahahah good one.

[Ratama]

I updated page one with spots I liked through level 56.

Also, don't take my list as gosepel, it's just the places I have managed to find from poking around in a few areas each I need to move on from a spot.

I usually do a search on the most killed monsters in that level range on Thottbot to get an idea where to go.

[Andeh]

I have a question for Ratama (and anyone else who cares). I'm at level 43 right now, grinding Wastewanders in Tanaris with my level 44 Shaman friend. Anyways I basically have the same play style as you (run in and start hacking, no stealth crap). I was wondering why you didn't put points into Dual Wield spec. That was one thing that I worked towards ASAP because as rogues you HAVE to DW. Your off hand doing 75% normal instead of 50% seems like a Good Thing to me.

Also, I noticed last night after checking my stats that my regular strikes were doing about 52% of my damage. I'm using the Sword of Omen and Hypnotic Blade (with a little macro to swap hands to BS when the opportunity presents). Is doing 50% of my damage with regular strikes a bad thing as a rogue? The only explanation I could think of is that when grouping with my friend, I usually stealth, let him pull with a Lightning Bolt, then CS the mob as soon as it gets to us. So thats like 2 fewer SS per target then I could be using.

[Coldfire]

I have a question for Ratama (and anyone else who cares). I'm at level 43 right now, grinding Wastewanders in Tanaris with my level 44 Shaman friend. Anyways I basically have the same play style as you (run in and start hacking, no stealth crap). I was wondering why you didn't put points into Dual Wield spec. That was one thing that I worked towards ASAP because as rogues you HAVE to DW. Your off hand doing 75% normal instead of 50% seems like a Good Thing to me.I think I can answer this for you. The simple answer is that it's just not worth it. As a Rogue, most of your damage comes from specials like SS, Ambush, Backstab. Those use your Main Hand weapon for their damage calculation. There's simply no point in doing maybe 10-20 (and I'm being generous) extra points of damage per swing with your Offhand weapon when it misses half the time anyway. There are much better talents to put that 5 points into.

[Andeh]

I thought both hands have same miss rate. And according to stats, my miss rate is 25% + about 5% combined for parrys, dodges, & evades.

[ozeloth]

the ogres in badlands are pretty badass, IF you get the camp for yourself, at 45 i clear it pretty quick solo but theres almost always another player there, and for some reason high level players (55+) run down there and kill some lords then split, prolly a quest or something but sure is annoying.

Also this is off peak hours since im a euro player, when the servers are busy i would think its pretty hard getting a good session here, atleast on the highpop servers, on the other hand i managed 21k/h when i was there solo.

[Ratama]

I have a question for Ratama (and anyone else who cares). I'm at level 43 right now, grinding Wastewanders in Tanaris with my level 44 Shaman friend. Anyways I basically have the same play style as you (run in and start hacking, no stealth crap). I was wondering why you didn't put points into Dual Wield spec. That was one thing that I worked towards ASAP because as rogues you HAVE to DW. Your off hand doing 75% normal instead of 50% seems like a Good Thing to me.

Also, I noticed last night after checking my stats that my regular strikes were doing about 52% of my damage. I'm using the Sword of Omen and Hypnotic Blade (with a little macro to swap hands to BS when the opportunity presents). Is doing 50% of my damage with regular strikes a bad thing as a rogue? The only explanation I could think of is that when grouping with my friend, I usually stealth, let him pull with a Lightning Bolt, then CS the mob as soon as it gets to us. So thats like 2 fewer SS per target then I could be using.

50% of damange from default hits is REALLY high for a Rogue, but that may because you are duoing with a high DPS class an opening with that Cheapshot. But part of it is that Sword of Omen. It's a great offhand weapon, but it sucks for SS. I'd try to acquire a Skullcrusher Mace from the AH with either Monkey or Tiger Mods (but any would do):

http://www.thottbot.com/?i=3877

And then offhand the Sword of Omen. Keep the Hypnotic in a bag slot to swap in for Backstabs if you want, but I would go for the Skullcrusher/Omen for most fighting (that's the weapons I had starting at 42 btw).

The reason I didn't do the dual wield spec is two-fold, I look at the damage I get per talent point, and very few abilities in the Combat tree actually increase damage. If you were on the Assassination tree, you would have Seal Fate right now, and trust me, you would never think of Dual Wield spec again (but you would miss Blade Fury).

Offhand damage (without talents) is about 33% of default damage. So if we stuck with your 50% mix, 5 points in the talent would put the offhand at about 42% of your default damage. Or 21% of total damage instead of 16%. 5% gain for 5 talent points.

But then you factor in the cost of the other points you spent to get there, and after you buy dodge skill and other you are getting far less than 1% damage per talent point.

In the Assination tree you get:

Malice (adds 1% damage per talent point; synergy with Seal Fate and Lethality)
Remoreless Attacks (adds nearly 1% damage per talent point after synergy with later abilities like lethality and Seal Fate)
Lethality (probably gives more than 1% per talent point)
Ruthlessness and Relentless Strikes(great damange increase during grinding, but hard to quantify)
Cold Blood (love this skill)
Seal Fate (Huge damage increase, espeicially while it's giving 3 combo points per crit right now)

Every single one of those skills adds to damage in every single fight except Cold Blood, which is on the 3 minute timer.

[Andeh]

Thanks, that clears it up. I was going to respec sometime soon, I've just been really poor after buying a mount and smithing costs. The Horde AH sucks on my server, so I was planning on using a Big Black Mace as soon as I can craft one (about 13 pts to go) (http://thottbot.com/?i=4662).

I like your template you posted and will probably stick pretty close to it. Only changes I am considering are maybe the points in Gouge into Imp. BS because I use it a lot in instances, and only use Gouge when soloing, which is rare.

[cokester]

There are level 52+ humanoids in the blasted lands, north east corner. I haven't had time to check them out, but theres plenty of them there and they are fairly spaced out for 1 at a time pulling.

[Sypher]

hmm, im a 26 mage and i am not getting anywhere near the xp you got in 1k needles.. I get maybe 1100/hr. I know mages have a lot of downtime, but thats 9k xp i am missing out on per hour.. it might be my current build.. I decided to spec up arcane first to get evocation (kind of regretting it, doesnt help at all pve with the 10min cooldown). Other than that I got 5pts in fire for improved fireball.

I ususally use the same combo over and over on mobs..

frostbolt(for snare), fireball, fireball, fireblast, nova, arcane missles/fireball (depending on if mob is ranged or melee. Seems to kill them pretty fast and doesnt allow them to heal themselves.

my mana pool is 1600 and i have to regen after 3 mobs ususally..

any pointers?

edit: I have also tried AE grinding green mobs, but it seems that isn't working too well either.

[cokester]

try instance grinding a little more

from memory i think your just about ready for shadowfang keep, its in silverpine

[Sypher]

try instance grinding a little more

from memory i think your just about ready for shadowfang keep, its in silverpine

yah, I farmed WC up to 24 but I get really frusturated with pick up groups. Most of the time, our "puller" was horrible at pulling and I ended up having to poly pull or pull with a fireblast to avoid us getting a 3+ pull(p.s. if anybody on here would like to group with a 26 mage that knows what they are doing, my ingame name is "sypherr" on archimonde/horde :p).

[Rokian]

Still stuck at 36 with no place to grind, the kurzen, and ogres both leveling hotspots are no more. Any suggestions?

[Mithras]

Still stuck at 36 with no place to grind, the kurzen, and ogres both leveling hotspots are no more. Any suggestions?

Bloodskull Trolls in SV along the beach to the NW...all the way up. There is a nice secluded encampment. Have a blast.

[Ratama]

There are level 52+ humanoids in the blasted lands, north east corner. I haven't had time to check them out, but theres plenty of them there and they are fairly spaced out for 1 at a time pulling.

Somehow I missed ever going to Blasted lands until level 56, and I really wish I hadn't. There are some spots here that are like stealing experience for a melee.

The Humanoids in the NE aren't so good (especially on a PvP server). It's an alliance flight point, the Melees are hard to kill (sword and shield), and the few casters there are priests. It's decent exp, but I prefer the Ogres far.

I suspect the Dreadmaul Compound in the NW would be good at level 46-52. But the only area I got to try in the right level range was the harder Dreadmauls near the cave in the center of the zone (level 53-55). I should have come here at 53 or 54. The melees are easy, and the casters are easier (spell interuption is a must; the warlocks shadowbolts do 350+).

I was getting 37,000 an hour here at 56, and that was with a minute or two where I had to sit and stare because I'd killed all the Ogres.

[Andeh]

Still stuck at 36 with no place to grind, the kurzen, and ogres both leveling hotspots are no more. Any suggestions?

Yeah the Bloodscalp Trolls are good till about 40, then later you can move on to the Skullsplitters. The other nice thing about the Bloodscalps is they occaisonally drop a Headhunter's Spear or something which you can vendor for 1G, besides all the silk & occaisonal mageweave. I noticed with both these groups that the ruins have a couple entrances, and you can usually pull just 1 or 2 from each, rather than getting mobbed by all of them. Oh, and the Skullsplitters drop Wildvine rarely, which is needed for some leatherworking quest and alchemy (on my server they sell for 1G at the AH).

[Ryanzbane]

Looking for advice. Currently a lvl 46 warlock, and I'm grinding the undead highbournes in Azshara. Getting about 1 bub every 30 mins. This seem like the best spot, or should I be trying to do the Zul'Farak instance along with the quests?

[suisydl]

Still stuck at 36 with no place to grind, the kurzen, and ogres both leveling hotspots are no more. Any suggestions?

dustwallow marsh? i was picking up 19k solo there. just a thought

[cokester]

i hated dustwallow marsh, the only things worth killing past 45 are the elite dragonkin, while they do give decent exp I'd rather fight easier non-elites faster, probably works out better in the long run

[Dish]

No mention of Irontrees.

[wurzeltim]

any good spots for lvl 39-42?
just hit 39 and the gorillas in stv where i was grinding started to get worse and since the kurzen got their health/armor fixed i dont know any other spots for a warrior.

[Ratama]

No mention of Irontrees.

Are Irontrees good? They were too low for me when I went by them anyway, but they struck me as a royal pain in the ass when I killed a few (too much armor on them).

[Stompede]

any good spots for lvl 39-42?
just hit 39 and the gorillas in stv where i was grinding started to get worse and since the kurzen got their health/armor fixed i dont know any other spots for a warrior.

If you're horde, you might want to try the cave north of the camp in dustwallow marsh. Its full of spiders that not only are easy to kill but have pretty good drops for vendor to go towards your mount. Also they have a quick respawn rate and if done right you can just go in circles all day and have plenty of them to kill.

[South]

Hi :P Really nice guide Ratama!

Do you recommend to only grind? Or maybe a combination of questing (first lvls 1-15), instancing (when you can: good party,etc) and grinding when you're alone?

I've been thinking and I believe that those first levels (If u're UD trisfal and Silverpine are quite easy to go through by questing - easy ones) and that maybe lvl to 20 thanks to grinding (doing so when u're alone) and after that only going to instances (if you have a static group or a guild) is far better that only grinding, what do u think?

Thank you very much :D

[Sypher]

Hi :P Really nice guide Ratama!

Do you recommend to only grind? Or maybe a combination of questing (first lvls 1-15), instancing (when you can: good party,etc) and grinding when you're alone?

I've been thinking and I believe that those first levels (If u're UD trisfal and Silverpine are quite easy to go through by questing - easy ones) and that maybe lvl to 20 thanks to grinding (doing so when u're alone) and after that only going to instances (if you have a static group or a guild) is far better that only grinding, what do u think?

Thank you very much :D

I quested in Trisfal and Silverpine until I was lvl 11 and then went to the barrens and did a combo of quests/grinding in the barrens. Starting at ~20 I started to grind more and quest less. Seems horde has a horrible quest design and invovles a lot of traveling for each quest, so I stick to grinding. I ususally pick up all the quests in an area and find out which ones are the most grindable and do those and then keep grinding before I find another fast/easy quest.

[Andeh]

I thought I'd add a bit of weapon advice for lvl 45ish + rogues. I made myself The Shatterer the other night, and its amazing. Its a main hand hammer, about 30.4 dps (high end of damage is 99), and procs to disarm target for 10 sec. When grinding on humanoids (which are prefered for their lower HP & AC), it absolutely rocks. Not only is the proc good because it really cuts down on damage to you, but the high end of its damage means that your SS crits are insane. Right now on the Ogres in Tanaris, when I get a SS crit, its for 249-290ish.... this is like 100 pts higher than what I was getting before. I know people have said before to get the highest end damage weapon you can for SS, but, damn, I didn't realize it was this good!

[ozeloth]

ratama i gotto ask if you were doing any tradeskills alongside leveling? cause that would make your time even more insane :)

[Ratama]

ratama i gotto ask if you were doing any tradeskills alongside leveling? cause that would make your time even more insane :)

Mining and Skinning for guild/cash.

[UFTimmy]

I'm going to have to respec to your build, I think. I was a very similar build, but I was having a hard time finding good swords/maces (can you believe it?) but seeing good daggers. I love the damage of backstab and ambush, but I think the setup time isn't worth it. I'm healed back to full before I even finish skinning, the time stealthing is just wasted.

Anyone else having any problems in the mid 20s using these spots? I've tried just hanging out in the contested areas around the Barrens and I'm getting ganked over and over again. So far I've just been grinding in the Southern Barrens -- the mobs there are 25+ so I figure I can go until 27th here.

[Xzan]

I'm having a hard time trying to find a place to grind at 58, the mobs are either too tough (I'm not that well equipped) or don't seem to yeild exp that's worth it. I'd like to grind somewhere where runecloth drops to minimize downtime. I've tried the undead at the last cauldron but I can't kill them fast enough to make it worth it.

The ogres in Blasted lands were great up until 57 but after that the exp slowed down a lot, and also became more camped.

Any suggestions?

[Firecrak]

Burning blade orcs in blasted lands.

[Rokian]

If you're horde, you might want to try the cave north of the camp in dustwallow marsh. Its full of spiders that not only are easy to kill but have pretty good drops for vendor to go towards your mount. Also they have a quick respawn rate and if done right you can just go in circles all day and have plenty of them to kill.

I went over there tonight and there were alot of alliance there, got killed a few times, it finally cleared up though, I shared the cave with one other guy but I was only getting 120-140 xp per kill !? I was hunting outside and inside, don't know. I'm 40 btw I guess I'll have to try the skullsplitters, the bloodscalps on the way north encampment were awesome.

[UFTimmy]

I'm going to have to respec to your build, I think. I was a very similar build, but I was having a hard time finding good swords/maces (can you believe it?) but seeing good daggers. I love the damage of backstab and ambush, but I think the setup time isn't worth it. I'm healed back to full before I even finish skinning, the time stealthing is just wasted.

I went ahead and respecced, at level 25. Went to the Razorhides by Bael Modan, and did, much, much better. Was getting 22,000/hr easily there, so you may want to add that spot. I was sharing the Seer's and Warfrezy's with a level 26 druid and there were plenty for both of us. The lack of stealth is really good for PvE efficiency, but how does it do for PvP? My DPS was much higher than with my ambush build (especially since I gouged every fight), but my burst DPS is quite a bit lower. Remoresless is great for PvE, even though I've heard it, it surprised me how great it really is.

The 22,000/hr was with my (slow) dagger with a max damage of 40. I bought a slow mace with a max damage of 61, so I can't wait to see how the build does with it.

Basically, great post, thanks for sharing all your info. I was getting 12,000/hr if I was lucky grinding before. What a difference.

[salla]

do you guys get first aid also?

[Andeh]

Yeah, I didn't have first aid at first cause I was always fighting with a friend who's a priest, but once I started having to fight on my own, I took First Aid. The only problem is that we've had a huge demand for silk and mageweave in my guild to make packs, so I'm still only using Heavy Silk Bandages at 48. But yeah, FA is great when you're grinding areas where stuff starts respawning as soon as you clear the area.

[eo]

20-26+ is better done in Ashenvale along the south wall to the west of the entrance from the barrens by some small lakes/water. There are some all-caster mob camps.

[Shigeru]

Where would be the quickest places to level a mage from 15-30?

[Dendriath]

1 - 10 Tirisfal/Durotar
10 - 19 Barrens/Silverpine
19 - 21 Wailing Caverns
21 - 31 Hillsbrad/Ashenvale/Thousand Needles
31 - 35 Desolace/Arathi ( AE with a Priest or second Mage on the Farms/Syndicates ) North Hillsbrad/Alterac ( AE with a Priest or second Mage on the Syndicates/Lions/Yeti's/Frost Yeti's/Anything that looks like lvl 52 ganking Gnomes/bored lvl 48 NE Hunters )
35 - 40 Scarlet Monastary/Stranglethorn ( Watch out for bored lvl 60 Paladins )
40 - ? Feralas/Uldaman/Torture NE's ( Revenge of Hillsbrad )

Check out this page, got some good info aswell.
http://www.boggletech.com/xp/

[salla]

hey ratama do you reccomend yeti cave and naga cave in feralas +42?

[UFTimmy]

Still not have been able to match my xp/hr in the Southern Barrens from levels 24-26. Now I'm at 30 and getting between 18-22 per hour. Tried the Centaur Camp & Cave in 1000 Needles and some various camps in Ashenvale.

Respeccing into a hybrid Ambush/SS with both a slow dagger & mace with weapon switching has helped quite a bit, though.

[Myrkur]

Warning, long post with a lot of background info on how I play so perhaps others can chime in with my dilemma.

So I've been lurking this thread for quite a while, using it as reference for some of my hunting streaks. Although I'm not a hardcore "grinding" type of player (i quest more often than, say, Ratama would like), I DO grind once in a while.

However, I've been running into problems recently soloing mobs of my own level (currently 49). More precisely, I can solo mobs of my own level with no problems, losing perhaps 1/3 hp to 1/2 hp on average depending on crits / how many times evisc misses. However, with almost no +spirit gear, the time it takes to recover that kind of health does not match the time it takes to move to the next mob, so I find myself having to eat food every 2-3 fights depending on how well the fights went. Granted, I shouldn't be "grinding" on even-level mobs, but let me get more specific:

I've been a dagger (ambush/backstab) rogue most of my career, picking up a sword in the mid 30s just to see what it was like, and switching back to dagger ever since I got The Ziggler (and later, Black Menace) complete with improved Ambush. In bad lands I could rip apart the ogres in the SW caves (half their health in 1 ambush majority of the time), etc. but as I approach level 50, Black Menace is quickly losing its "oomph." The lack of good and accessible daggers has been most crippling on my career lately, as my crit ambushes hit for perhaps 1/5 of a mobs health, and I am having a lot of trouble finding good grind targets for lvl 49~. I find my SS damage output too low to create sustained damage during a fight, and a mace/sword rogue can eviscerate just as well as I can eviscerate. This creates a major problem when my eviscerate misses or SS misses -- there's simply not enough sustained damage. I'm currently running with Improved Ambush, Cold Blood (1 rank in Remorseless), and working towards getting improved Backstab for more utility in instances / grouping.

So you say: hey, this guy's pretty much screwed himself over in terms of being able to grind. Perhaps. But my question is

1. is this a persisting problem for those rogues with similar builds / playstyles as I? I do AH searches for 40-60 daggers all the time and have only had one chance to bid on Widowmaker, which I wasn't able to buy in the end because server went down.

2. i know recent patches have added armor to a lot of previously "good" grind targets, and I'm not sure how updated the list is. anyone have good mage / soft target recommendations for my level to grind on?

3. if you're a dagger user, how did you remedy the problem with the lack of accessible daggers between lvl 45-50? Previous poster mentioned something about weapon switching, which is something I've been looking into. Any macro / addon you recommend that makes switching easier? Do you just stealth in, ambush, and switch to a sword/mace and SS/Evisc onward?

4. I'm maintaining somewhere around 15.5% crit and 21% dodge on the abilities page, along with some 2750hp, does this look reasonable for my level?

Ratama: thanks for the continued input on this thread -- always with detailed and well-thought out responses while remaining objective.

[Andeh]

I don't think its reasonable to lock yourself into just using daggers given the infrequency at which you can decent ones. My philosophy is that I will use swords/maces unless I find a really good dagger which can compete. Till then, I just stick with SS/Evis, with Garrote and Puncture thrown in on Elites.

Maybe in the future there will be more craftable daggers (I'm a Weaponsmith, and there is only 1 weaponsmith grade dagger, and its a rare drop.) But until then, we have to make do with what we have.

Oh, and at level 50, I think the abilities page shows me at about 16% crit rate, and around a 23% dodge I think, and around 2500 HP. However the Nurfed UI shows my actual crit rate is a little over 5% higher. I've focused on Stam/Agil gear. I think I have about +135 Agil and +105 stam.

My grind spot advice isn't really relevant because I always grind with a shaman who is my same level, so we usually take stuff thats +1/+2.

[Mafiaz]

If got another suggestions to make. More to the points its kurzen camp as it is NOW. Im level 36 Rogue with decend gear using SS/Evis Build. I did alterac mountain Ogers until now and since it was too crowded now i decided to try this "UBER" Exp place kurzen camp. AIght so far so good ... i moved my ass to stranglehorn and went down to those Elites + Witchdoctors. ...... NOW is this coz im too dumb, too sucky or its just been fixed: i cant even kill more 2-3 enemies in a row since i either have to heal OR which is mostly the case i try to lure 1 enemie and there come 3 of em gangbanging my ass -_- So my main questing is simply is anyone NOW making anything near to 30k / per Hour down there arround my level or is it just nerfed to the fullest ?

Sincerely yours

Damian

[South]

Yesterday I decided to try:

10-13 Dreadmaw Crocolisks in the river between Durotar and The Barrens 14,000 exp per hour

Well, I'm a Rogue lvl 12 with good gear (and weapons) and I find my self loosing a lot of time going up and down the river. I got about 6,000 exp/hour in around 30min. It's a good spot but no great drops (skinning yes! $$). Today I'll try Southsea Bandits and Cannoneers.

Cya

PD: Thanks for the guide man :)
PD2: Yes, I know Mafiaz :P

[Mafiaz]

you shouldnt expect any great drops from monsters @ ur level -.-

[UFTimmy]

3. if you're a dagger user, how did you remedy the problem with the lack of accessible daggers between lvl 45-50? Previous poster mentioned something about weapon switching, which is something I've been looking into. Any macro / addon you recommend that makes switching easier? Do you just stealth in, ambush, and switch to a sword/mace and SS/Evisc onward?

Here is the macros I use:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-interface-customization&T=11443&P=1

It's an add on that you use to make a Macro. I use it to swap my main and off hand, but you could easily have it swap weapons from your inventory. It swaps off weapon name, not position in your bag so it's very flexible. I have found that macro to F so my fight goes like this:

Ambush (hopefully with remorseless)
Press F - swap from dagger / mace to mace / dagger
SS
SS
Kidney shot
SS until dead

I'm following Kintoun's Dagger Crit build so I'm pretty much all ambush specced. But you'll notice in Kinton's video he ambushes then just spam's SS. So I figured why not get extra damage from the SS spam?

I have a very slow mace & dagger, both around level 26 when I'm level 30 now. I've been looking to upgrade but haven't been able to.

My dagger is 2.0 speed and has a max damage of 40. My mace is 2.9 and has a max damage of 61. So my poison application suffers becuase both weapons are slow, but this way I get the big damage Ambush and the high damage SS spam. It doesn't cost any more talents (just took Imroved SS) and I get about 20 more damage per SS.

[Lustt]

yer, you wont really see many "good drops" till WC tbh [or RFC...if you dont deem it a waste of time :D ]

and mafiaz yes, in the patch notes [some time ago now] there was a mention of certain mobs having inadequate HP/Armour, although they didnt specifically say which mobs those were, its blatantly obvious they include the Kurzen and a lot of Yeti area's...

They actually went too far with regard to certain mob's armour increase and so reduced them down a fraction again. Good old blizzard and their panic attacks :D

hope that helps.

[South]

Well, this morning I've been doing the second spot:

13-16 Southsea Bandits and Cannoners south of Ratchet 14,000 exp per hour

One word: impressive.

At first (with the ratchet quest) I got 15,000 (a little more) per hour. After that I've been getting 14,000-14,500 and this time lots of drops (money, food, potions, 10 green items!, around 100 silk cloth). Really nice spot, if this continues like that I'll say goodbye to quests :D

Thank you again Ratama :)

[Myrkur]

Here is the macros I use:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-interface-customization&T=11443&P=1


I'm using exactly that before you posted, I've also found the site:

http://capnbry.net/wow/ you can get the StanceSets addon, and set up a set of weapons to use in different stances [stealthed] and [unstealthed], and the addon, working in conjunction with the weaponswap macro, will automatically switch weapons for you without pressing your "F" key.


I just got my hands on http://www.thottbot.com/?i=19490 two nights ago from Maraudon quest. very SLOW hitter perfect for Sinister Strikes. I spent some time skilling up my sword from 170 up to 250 and went to run the circle of Ogres near the DuneMaul compound in Tanaris at lvl 49. I'm ambushing for 650-ish crit and SSing for 130-150 with 300+ crits with Thrash Blade. I was making roughly 20,000 xp/hour just doing that (i pickpocketed constantly too, since i stealth anyway for my ambush). With poison my DPS is near 120-150 on those Ogres.

Got to lvl 50 not long after that last night, and just received the new Ambush. I can't wait to try it out :][/url]

[UFTimmy]

I looked into that, but sometimes I use my dagger when I'm not stealthed to backstab (especially PvP). Since my hand is so near F it's not a bad setup at all. It's become 2nd nature. I ambush, press F, kill it, then press F again.

[Ratama]

Warning, long post with a lot of background info on how I play so perhaps others can chime in with my dilemma.

So I've been lurking this thread for quite a while, using it as reference for some of my hunting streaks. Although I'm not a hardcore "grinding" type of player (i quest more often than, say, Ratama would like), I DO grind once in a while.

However, I've been running into problems recently soloing mobs of my own level (currently 49). More precisely, I can solo mobs of my own level with no problems, losing perhaps 1/3 hp to 1/2 hp on average depending on crits / how many times evisc misses. However, with almost no +spirit gear, the time it takes to recover that kind of health does not match the time it takes to move to the next mob, so I find myself having to eat food every 2-3 fights depending on how well the fights went. Granted, I shouldn't be "grinding" on even-level mobs, but let me get more specific:

I've been a dagger (ambush/backstab) rogue most of my career, picking up a sword in the mid 30s just to see what it was like, and switching back to dagger ever since I got The Ziggler (and later, Black Menace) complete with improved Ambush. In bad lands I could rip apart the ogres in the SW caves (half their health in 1 ambush majority of the time), etc. but as I approach level 50, Black Menace is quickly losing its "oomph." The lack of good and accessible daggers has been most crippling on my career lately, as my crit ambushes hit for perhaps 1/5 of a mobs health, and I am having a lot of trouble finding good grind targets for lvl 49~. I find my SS damage output too low to create sustained damage during a fight, and a mace/sword rogue can eviscerate just as well as I can eviscerate. This creates a major problem when my eviscerate misses or SS misses -- there's simply not enough sustained damage. I'm currently running with Improved Ambush, Cold Blood (1 rank in Remorseless), and working towards getting improved Backstab for more utility in instances / grouping.

So you say: hey, this guy's pretty much screwed himself over in terms of being able to grind. Perhaps. But my question is

1. is this a persisting problem for those rogues with similar builds / playstyles as I? I do AH searches for 40-60 daggers all the time and have only had one chance to bid on Widowmaker, which I wasn't able to buy in the end because server went down.

2. i know recent patches have added armor to a lot of previously "good" grind targets, and I'm not sure how updated the list is. anyone have good mage / soft target recommendations for my level to grind on?

3. if you're a dagger user, how did you remedy the problem with the lack of accessible daggers between lvl 45-50? Previous poster mentioned something about weapon switching, which is something I've been looking into. Any macro / addon you recommend that makes switching easier? Do you just stealth in, ambush, and switch to a sword/mace and SS/Evisc onward?

4. I'm maintaining somewhere around 15.5% crit and 21% dodge on the abilities page, along with some 2750hp, does this look reasonable for my level?

Ratama: thanks for the continued input on this thread -- always with detailed and well-thought out responses while remaining objective.

I've basically been looking for a good dagger since level 40ish to make the change myself. In my opinion there are only a couple of daggers worth going to the dagger/ambush build at all in the game and they are:

Widow Maker
Barman Shanker
Death Striker

And once you are past 48, I don't think Widowmaker is worth it any more (definitely not post-50 when you can have a Thrash Blade).

The sole reason that I got that high exp at some spots was because of the sheer speed of the Sinster Strike/Seal Fate build.

I'm still searching for one of those daggers by the way. As soon as I get my hands on either the Barman Shanker or a Deathstriker I will try the respec (although I may go back to the Sinister Strike build and just use the dagger when in stealth for ambushes).

To date, I have never used Ambush once when grinding on monsters. The setup time isn't worh the damage.

[UFTimmy]

To date, I have never used Ambush once when grinding on monsters. The setup time isn't worh the damage.

It depends on the mobs, I think. I was grinding on the Razors in the Southern Barrens and getting much higher than you listed for 24-26. But since then I'm getting a little bit less than what you did when you did my levels.

I've tried it both ways. I tried the pure dagger/crit build with a gouge and backstab that Kintoun posted. I tried the build you posted, and last I am the dagger/crit build but switching to a slow mace for SS. The last has been the best for me. It's not so much the extra damage that makes it faster, but the lack of damage you're taking over that time.

[Myrkur]

I looked into that, but sometimes I use my dagger when I'm not stealthed to backstab (especially PvP). Since my hand is so near F it's not a bad setup at all. It's become 2nd nature. I ambush, press F, kill it, then press F again.

that's very true. i'm pretty sure i will be including a macro that switches weapons for me when i start doing instance runs regularly. my F key is bound to /assist [member name] currently.

nevertheless, the stancesets just makes things less complicated for me. friend also mentioned putting a dagger with crippling, then switching weapons after crippling connects on the mob to an instant poison one -- something i have yet to test. otherwise, i imagine that addon being a great addition to any warrior.

currently I'm ambushing simply because i AM of the ambush build. the talent points would otherwise be a waste for me. (call me stubborn, but i refuse to respec until i've tested my build thoroughly at endgame ;])

[Shigeru]

I grinded most of my way from 30-55 on either ogres or satyrs of appropriate level and if u do first aid u never have much downtime as u can always make bandages and heal quickely as u can kill plenty of mobs while ur bandage cooldown runs out safely.

I use a sword + dagger build and i have tried ambush builds with daggers and it just didn't come close to the xp/hour i could pull with sword build.

I think i have kept pretty close to 28k/hour plus right up to where I am now with ease and no deaths during grinding....unless from been ganked of course :)

[Mafiaz]

Well there comes another point. As shigeru said 28k/ Per hour ... i did between 25-27k per Hour with 36++ @ Alterac Mountain Ogers and seriously did that fast ( i maybe had 1 downtime in 15-20 enemies depending on how often they crit me ) and then allways uses Silkbandages. So please how are you supposed to get beyond the 30.000 /per Hour Mark ?

[arch]

around 100 silk cloth

I hope you meant linen cloth not silk, otherwise something is so wrong.

[South]

around 100 silk cloth

I hope you meant linen cloth not silk, otherwise something is so wrong.

Ouch. Yes, LINEN CLOTH. :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

[Shigeru]

So please how are you supposed to get beyond the 30.000 /per Hour Mark ?

I said 28k+/hour meaning that the lowest i ever got was 28k....i ranged sometimes from 30-40k an hour without rested xp and 62k/hour with rested xp at higher levels (ie. 50+). So if you are going to quote me please read it without stating it as fact.

[Mafiaz]

Sorry wasnt my purpose to offend you in any way but i was just wondering .
And btw what UI do you use ?

[ozeloth]

So please how are you supposed to get beyond the 30.000 /per Hour Mark ?

I said 28k+/hour meaning that the lowest i ever got was 28k....i ranged sometimes from 30-40k an hour without rested xp and 62k/hour with rested xp at higher levels (ie. 50+). So if you are going to quote me please read it without stating it as fact.

how in all that is holy did you manage 30-40k unrested? you gotto be a rogue but wtf thats insane

[UFTimmy]

So please how are you supposed to get beyond the 30.000 /per Hour Mark ?

I said 28k+/hour meaning that the lowest i ever got was 28k....i ranged sometimes from 30-40k an hour without rested xp and 62k/hour with rested xp at higher levels (ie. 50+). So if you are going to quote me please read it without stating it as fact.

how in all that is holy did you manage 30-40k unrested? you gotto be a rogue but wtf thats insane

Before the changes I would think that would be very doable. I was hitting 24-26k at level 24.

[wurzeltim]

looking for nice spots for a lvl 49 warr on his way to 60 .... ;)

[Ratama]

looking for nice spots for a lvl 49 warr on his way to 60 .... ;)

Ogres in Tanaris. I understand they were a lot easier pre-patch, but I didn't get them until after the patch, and they still treated me right.

Hopefully Mortal Strike helps Warriors solo a lot faster. I've got my Warrior alt up to 21 and I want to stab my own eyes out when I look at the exp rate I'm getting, even when I follow him around with a Druid bot for 0 down time (which really doesn't help much, but if you can do, do it). I love what Warrior can do end-game, but it seems to be a bit frustrating on the way there.

Anyway, back to the point. If you do Ogres in Tanaris, have your spell interupts ready. The DDs from the Mages and Warlocks start hitting for close to 300 a pop.

Great Mageweave drop rate on them though, you can do First Aid for all your healing and still come away with extra.

[immanitas]

Any suggestions for a lvl 36 horde rogue?

Also, I've never been able to get higher than 16k xp/hour grinding. As a dagger rogue (following the dagger crit build, of course), I realize I should probably respec to a more "grindable" talent build and switch to swords/maces.

My dilema is that I've finally got 2 decent daggers for my level:
http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=9007
http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=10293

Thoughts?

[Alqwa]

I'm a warrior and I'm sure I'm killing slower than a rogue, but I'm getting around 27-30k/hour in Alterac Mountains killing ogres.

[Gabravic]

At what level is that alqwa?

[Lustt]

he must be about 34 or so ?

[Alqwa]

Started there at 35. I was getting the numbers at level 36 and now, at 37 its around 25k/hour.

Perosnally I think its the best place grinding from 35 to 40 as a warrior.
Mobs are packed next to each other, not linked together with aggro range except few roamers.
They also drop nice food and silk bandages.

[Myrkur]

Ok, I found the Northspring ________ mobs in northern Feralas (just south of Desolace) is pretty damned good for ~50. Their levels range from 48 to 50, "flying" mobs but count as humanoids. You can pickpocket them and they have very little armor. As far as I can tell there is one "caster" type (they all have mana bars, for some reason), being the Windcallers that nuke for 200~ damage. The Northspring Slayers WILL use Execute on you for something like 350-400 damage if you let your health drop too low when fighting them. The Northspring roguefeathers and harpies are a joke. The mobs are fairly concentrated, with MW bandages I can pretty much keep on going for 7-8 fights in a row unless I got careless and aggro'd more than 1 at a time.

The place isn't one where you can grind while watching TV, however. These flyers move fairly fast and in a large range, so don't be surprised if you find yourself with multiple aggros. 2-3 of them at once isn't a big deal as long as you're not hurt to begin with. Just take some caution not to fight them close to each other with a caster nearby. As long as you play just a little conservatively, you can avoid deaths and get FAST kills.

I was getting ~60k/hr with rest xp, and, after dying twice (graveyard is in feathermoon, but you have to run around the mountain range) due to carelessness and lag, I still managed 25k/hr without rest xp.

http://www.thottbot.com/?m=12363 <-- thottbot map

[wurzeltim]

hehe i just found that spot too but if you die, you have to run really long but the xp there is really nice ...i play safe because if you die, you lose a lot of time and i get about 28k/h as a warrior

[Hogart]

Im now lvl 40 warrior and need a good place to grind. You guys have any tip? :P

[Hell]

any suggestions for a lvl36 ud mage ?
atm im @ arathi, getting 12 - 14k per hour, and only if im careful / playing safe

kinda slow ? :/

[Mafiaz]

Hehe yo hogart :P

I just cant imagine any warrior is able to do 30k@ Alterac Ogers. Ive done em from 35 - 39 and i did em with no break ( i had no downtime at all unless i had to go to town and sell ) and i had decend gear with 35 so .. :?:

[Shigeru]

how in all that is holy did you manage 30-40k unrested? you gotto be a rogue but wtf thats insane

Ogres at Dreadmaul post in blasted lands...very easy to kill, very close spawn and lots of them. If you have the site to yourself its very fast killing and very quick XP, plus the runecoth drops so quick bandaging aswell.


any suggestions for a lvl36 ud mage ?

http://www.boggletech.com/xp/

[UFTimmy]

33-37 - Magram Centaur in Desolace, 25,000 xp / hour make sure your grinding magram centaur and not gelkis, the gelkis are much lower level and have summons so they are poor experience, the magram vary from 32-27 and have little to no armor (just watch out for the wandering centaur with level 39 hyenas's!

At level 33 I've been grinding on the Gelkis and they've been great. They vary in level from 31-34 with most at 33 & 34. They have one type that summons, but they're very easily avoided.

Honestly, I've found it's best to grind on things that are green so I'm not sure why at level 33 you'd want to grind on things that are higher than 34?

Anyway, at level 33 I was getting 22k/hr and I expect this number to go up quite a bit next level.

[wurzeltim]

im now 54 and grinded 51-53 on the skystormer in azshara and 53-54 quests in un goro crater but now i have again no idea where to go.
so im looking for a nice grinding spot (prefered beasts because of +dmg from axe) for the next lvls ...

[Jerome]

hi,

24 Human Rogue need some good grinde place :roll:

someone can help.. ?

[Crosse]

im now 54 and grinded 51-53 on the skystormer in azshara and 53-54 quests in un goro crater but now i have again no idea where to go.
so im looking for a nice grinding spot (prefered beasts because of +dmg from axe) for the next lvls ...

Best place for you now would probably be Felwood. A lot of kill quests and such from there and as well, many of the Felwood quests chain into Winterspring which will be an easy transition. Remember there are two towns that give out quests (and there is also a tauren npc you should seek out thats a little NW of the bottom town). Thats assuming you're horde, dunno if Felwood is good for alliance or not. But anyway these quests are mostly straightforward and they chain into winterspring which gives some great exp as well. Do some instancing as well and you should be 60 before you run out of quests. Additionally you can also do Western and Eastern Plague, which these quests are not as proliferic as Felwood/Winterspring they are some bank exp. Only problem is there are tons of alliance/hordet here whereas Felwood and Winterspring seem to be fairly sparse.

[wurzeltim]

now im 56 and need a new grind spot. i grinded on blood elfs just south of the skystormers ...
i did most of the felwood/winterspring quests and i just have a few left :/
any spots for 56 warrior?

[wurzeltim]

g0g0g0 =)
i need a new grinding spot! on my old one i get about 30k/h ..is that still ok? i searched a lot but i cant find any low armor/low hp mobs around lvl 56 :(

[emb]

g0g0g0 =)
i need a new grinding spot! on my old one i get about 30k/h ..is that still ok? i searched a lot but i cant find any low armor/low hp mobs around lvl 56 :(

highborne in winterspring?

[Ratama]

g0g0g0 =)
i need a new grinding spot! on my old one i get about 30k/h ..is that still ok? i searched a lot but i cant find any low armor/low hp mobs around lvl 56 :(

The Ogres in the Blasted lands around the cave near the center of the zone are level 53-55. I used them for grinding up to 58. Usually cleared 30k+ there as a Rogue (the problem was actually running out of Ogres eventually).

[Myrkur]

now im 56 and need a new grind spot. i grinded on blood elfs just south of the skystormers ...
i did most of the felwood/winterspring quests and i just have a few left :/
any spots for 56 warrior?

Those blood elves drop like paper, but damned if their insta-cast Fire Nova aren't annoying!

I find myself losing so much health to that it wasn't worthwhile anymore :[

[emb]

now im 56 and need a new grind spot. i grinded on blood elfs just south of the skystormers ...
i did most of the felwood/winterspring quests and i just have a few left :/
any spots for 56 warrior?

Those blood elves drop like paper, but damned if their insta-cast Fire Nova aren't annoying!

I find myself losing so much health to that it wasn't worthwhile anymore :[

Well.... just a few paces from them are the legashi demons much better grind imo

[wurzeltim]

try the blood elfs with higher lvl. i grinded on them from 54-57 and had about 32k/h (3h session!) as a warrior, i can kill them really fast and with the runecloth drops i had short downtimes ...it was a real strange spot, because the elfs were 3-6 lvls lower but i couldnt find a better spot
the highborne arent good for my axe spec because they dont bleed :(
so im still looking for a grind spot for 58-60 (sintor where were you grinding? =) )

[Ratama]

try the blood elfs with higher lvl. i grinded on them from 54-57 and had about 32k/h (3h session!) as a warrior, i can kill them really fast and with the runecloth drops i had short downtimes ...it was a real strange spot, because the elfs were 3-6 lvls lower but i couldnt find a better spot
the highborne arent good for my axe spec because they dont bleed :(
so im still looking for a grind spot for 58-60 (sintor where were you grinding? =) )

Had I kept grinding for those levels, I probably would have stayed at the Ogres in Blasted Lands. I played around with a few spots and never found anything better. One place I didn't try, but it felt "fast" when I did fight there for some scourgestones, was the toughest field in Western Plaguelands. I can't recall the name of the field, but it has the shades, and the banshee model undead mixed with some ghouls. The casters there are priests as far as I can tell, but I don't think I ever saw one heal (just mind blast once or twice). They go down fast.

Another thing I never tried, and I've actually never seen the camp. But there are Ogres at the south end of Dreadwind Pass. I've never even bothered to go look, but they are in the right level range, and they have been killed a fair bit according to Thottbot.

The most killed monster at that level on Thottbot were the Ice Thistle Yeti. I ground on them for some quests in Winterspring, but I wasn't overly impressed with the exp rate. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't anything to jump for joy about.

[Myrkur]

Yup, at lvl 54 I do still grind on the Legashi Demons in Azshara. Unfortuantely the zone has become infested with lvl 60s farming money and items -- and what better to farm than mobs that drop fast. So quite often I find myself competing with some lvl 60 pally giving me half as many mobs to kill as I should have, so I do wander to the blood elf camp every now and then (and then get sick of those surveyor's insane aggro range and their fire nova), and go back to Legashis when the farmers retreat.

[Jumai]

I know this is mostly higher level stuff now, but I'm currently powering an alt through some levels, and the satyrs in northeastern Desolace are great. Single, don't run, cash drops, pretty low hp it seems. If you can aquire a couple fast weapons with Demonslaying (as have I) it's even better.

edit: duh. The mobs are 31-33. I started em at 33, 34 now, gonna see how long I can make em last.

[Rokian]

The legashi demons are indeed a great grind spot pulling around 28k/h lots of runecloth, got about 8 felcloth in 2 hours of grinds, bad thing is like previously stated there are alot of level 60's rogues, mages, huters you name it just farming them. I did the 3 quests with bloodelves but I don't think they necessarily drop like paper (Hunter).

[Rokian]

Ok looking for some advice here, currently 55 hunter looking for a spot to grind or quest or anything tried ogres in blasted lands, went for around 2 hours only getting 26k/hour there wasn't really enough ogres even when I had the camp to myself. I'm thinking of going back to legashi satyaars again since even at 52 was getting ~ 30k , I tried winterspring for quests, but they are to far spread out for my liking I mean it's like kill 10 of these and 15 of these wandering the zone, finished up all felwood quests as well as western plague lands, I will try the highborne in winterspring, but other than that I have no ideas. Anything at all would be great thank ye.

[Watzit2ya]

I would recomend the highborn camp in winterspring. You might be a few lvls too low for it yet though. Wouldnt hurt to try. Depending on how crowded the Skystormers are on your server try those. Most the good grind spots on my server are ALWAYS camped, but only after I hit 60, so it really only hinders my $$ farming.

[UFTimmy]

I finished off 36th in the Ogres in Alterac. Right around 20,000 per hour including selling time.

Alliance was very friendly, no one attacked me, several walked right behind me, and several on mounts left me alone. A very bizarre change from STV.

Being a rogue makes it very difficult to grind alongside Alliance. For example, a Paladin can just stand there and see if the enemy is going to attack or not. They don't really lose anything by not attacking first. But if I let them see me and let them choose whether to fight or not then I die.

Anyway I'm not sure how good they were before the patch, but they're still ok after it.

[Watzit2ya]

Well the patch has not been implimented yet, not till tommorow. Even at 36 shouldnt you have blind, and vanish? If any class jumps you hit vanish and the mob will agro him if hes in range, then swing around and jump him or leave, as a rogue you have more escapes than most classes, you should have issues getting away if jumped while on a mob.

[UFTimmy]

Well the patch has not been implimented yet, not till tommorow. Even at 36 shouldnt you have blind, and vanish? If any class jumps you hit vanish and the mob will agro him if hes in range, then swing around and jump him or leave, as a rogue you have more escapes than most classes, you should have issues getting away if jumped while on a mob.

The patch that increased mob HPs and AC went in about a month ago.

Yes, I know how to get away. Thank you. My point about being less likely to win if I don't get the first strike is valid, and I don't think you can mount an affective arguement against it.

[skizzi1234]

Well your xp'ing places are great... i actually started using them myself.... i have a few more places thats great xp for any classes. When i was level27-32 I had a quest called the test of lore. Anyways the 2nd part of that quest involves going to a haprie cave and killing there leader.

To summon the leader your need to destory a food crate, this is where i got a idea. me and a few of my guild mates when there one night and just kept summoning the leader and the other waves of mobs that come with them .... with a group of 3 a shammy, war, and a rogue we were getting about 120-90 xp a kill and we would get about 15 kills in about 3 mins... so 1500 xp per wave is pretty good at that level... i grinded there for a few levels while and i was pretty impressed... they drop plumes that sell for 8s to a vendor.

other then that go to SM at 33+ and get a group.

Hope this helsp out a lil bit

Rubberneck 46 rogue

[Watzit2ya]

"The patch that increased mob HPs and AC went in about a month ago.

Yes, I know how to get away. Thank you. My point about being less likely to win if I don't get the first strike is valid, and I don't think you can mount an affective arguement against it."

I was referring to the question about the paladin damage nerf patch, and im sorry but that didnt go in a month ago, please re-read.

You have many options to get away, and there is no need to immediatly re-continue the fight if you get jumped first, simply vanish, blind etc and restart the fight then win. How is that not a valid arguement? Im not here to coach you, but this is obvious information.

Peace!

[UFTimmy]

I was referring to the question about the paladin damage nerf patch, and im sorry but that didnt go in a month ago, please re-read.

You have many options to get away, and there is no need to immediatly re-continue the fight if you get jumped first, simply vanish, blind etc and restart the fight then win. How is that not a valid arguement? Im not here to coach you, but this is obvious information.

Peace!

Buddy, the only changes I made reference to in my post where the mob AC/HP patches. I didn't mention the Paladin's changes, I only used that class as an example of a class that doesn't lose anything when they don't get the first strike. I could have said Priest. I could have said Hunter. Any of those classes don't lose anything in terms of chances to kill if they face and see their enemy at range, with the enemy seeing them too. Rogues do.

And as I already said, I know how to get away. Getting away isn't the problem. I was just stating that Rogues are better getting the first strike, which again, I think you'll have a hard time disproving.

I don't need your "obvious information", and it's you who misread my post. I said nothing about the patch to Paladins, I was using them as an example. My post wasn't a rant about Paladins. It wasn't a cry for help in using Rogue abillties.

There was no "question" about the Paladin patch, if you'd like to re-read my post.

[hox]

Jesus christ Ellestar talk about master of grinding Mr. Level 60 with mid 40s gear. BTW what' was your /played at 60??

[Devilnaut]

Relax Timmy, the guy is just trying to give you some tips. You said it's a problem getting jumped as a rogue, he pointed out that it's never really a problem and he's right.

[Watzit2ya]

I'm sorry for the "misquote" timmy I could have sworn i saw a reference to the incoming pally damage nerf.

The only rogues that have issues not getting the jump are bad ones, and you made the refference first. If you get jumped you should have NP re-starting the fight to set it up so that you DO get the jump. Now lets stop runnin this post off topic.

Thx

bye

[Campa]

firegut ogres in burning steppes are really good at 51+ . you can get like 35K+ XP /h easily there.

[Myrkur]

* steers back on topic *

Just hit 57 off of the blood elf camp / legashi camp in Azshara...

where to next?

I tried western plaguelands and wasn't all that impressed because of the way the aggro's set up and the fact that i get plagued for 2 minutes with no viable cure.

I checked out the dreadmaul outpost in Blasted Lands, looks a little tightly packed, but haven't actually tried xping off of it. Looks like a mixed bag of goodies in there with the Warlocks and Maulers (easy vs. ouch on crits)

Then I scoutted out burning steppes, the ogres there are too low for me as well. Haven't taken a good look at winterspring or eastern plaguelands yet. Last option is actually going to un'goro and do those annoying quests that sends you all over the stupid crater.

I've been pretty spoiled by the Azshara grind. 35k/hr if I focused. Anyone have other good places they recommend for a 57 rogue?

[Watzit2ya]

I would recomend the Highborne camp in Winterspring. Its just SW of the town. Its the lake that shows up on your map. I was able to do about 30-35k an hour there depending on how highly camped it is. The monsters drop cash, and alot of runecloth. On chance you will get the Icy chill enchant recipe which usually can be auctioned or sold for a nice chunk of gold.

[Myrkur]

Thanks Watzitaya, will check that out and report in as soon as I'm done with these stupid stupid quests in Un'goro :P (I've grinded the last 7 levels, figure I deserved a 'break')

[Shigeru]

I don't know what I am doing wrong but no matter which location I go to from these forums to level my Shadow Priest i just get smackled or they take ages to kill and 3/4 of mana...

I'm Currently Level 22 with good gear as i can supply from my main char...where am i supposed to be grinding and what is the easiest combo for killing mobs at this level.

[eo]

Priests dont grind well. Best bet is to quest and do instance runs.

[Devilnaut]

Post 35 or so, shadow priests grind extremely well. 30-35k/hr in certain places. Until then rely more on quests... once you get your dps boosting talents and especially shadowform it will make a big difference.

[Dunderdon]

first of all thx for the small guide
i havent played WoW that much yet because EU retail just started and as i noticed i am not a big fan of questing
so i d like to know to which extent those spots are good for warriors or are there spots which are better?
oh and i would appreciate any tip on how to grind effectively with a warrior (if possible :P)

[UFTimmy]

Anyone have any suggestions for 40?

The more popular zones are pretty much PvP central, which is bad for exping. The less popular zones are less popular for a reason.

[Faller]

36- 40 you can do the level 37-38 gorrilas in STV, due to the fact that they have no armor.

[UFTimmy]

36- 40 you can do the level 37-38 gorrilas in STV, due to the fact that they have no armor.

Can't go more than 30 seconds in STV without doing PvP.

It's fun, but not great experience.

[Faller]

36- 40 you can do the level 37-38 gorrilas in STV, due to the fact that they have no armor.

Can't go more than 30 seconds in STV without doing PvP.

It's fun, but not great experience.

Depends on server and time. I've gone days without PvP in STV and I've gone for about 3 hours without fighting another player.

[South]

Hi, Could you recommend me some good grinding spots for 30-40 in a PVP server? (I'm a lvl 30 rogue going to follow a assa/combat build (30-21), good equipment and first aid at 200 - heavy silk bandages).

I've read all the thread and this level range seems the most "difficult" to me.. I've only found those spots:

- 29-32 Wyverns in Highperch.
- 33-37 Magram Centaurs in Desolace.
- 37-40 Ogres near Crushridg Hold in Alterac.

Are they really good? I'll try those wyverns (Highperch is in 1,000 needles?)

(The Kurzen Area is very dangerous in a PVP server so no really great xp).

Thank you very much.

[UFTimmy]

The Harpies in 1k are probably better from 30-32. I did Shimmering Flats quests at 32. They're basically grind quests. There is a quest for every type of critter, and you have to kill so many of them.

34-36 I did STV, but it wasn't quick or easy.

36-37 I did the Ogres in Alterac, but it was a lot of hoping the Alliance doesn't kill me. On my server it's a very pro-Alliance zone. I was lucky to be off a day during the week so I was able to get some exp done there. I tried at night and it was a no go.

37-40 I did Dustwallow Marsh. I did a combo of quests and grinding on spiders and raptors. Wasn't great, but there was zero PvP so I think over the long haul it was faster.

[South]

Thank you Timmy. Why do ppl prefer Magram Centaurs over Gelkis? I don't find real difference (the gelkis are more handy).

The Kurzen Camp in STV is just incredible around 210-215 xp per mob (+lots of cash) easy kills, no adds, etc. Fucking alliance :(

Thank you again :)

[emb]

Thank you Timmy. Why do ppl prefer Magram Centaurs over Gelkis? I don't find real difference (the gelkis are more handy).


easier to get adds at gelkis and there are no blasted elementals at magram, can also go on with killing the undead ravagers once the centaur gets too low lvl :)

[Shigeru]

I did gelkis as i thought it was smarter to stick close to our home town incase of alliance poofs :)

[UFTimmy]

I did Gelkis for about a level and half, early 30s sometime. The Magram were always camped by Alliance. I just avoided the summons, killed all the other types.

Was pretty good experience, but eventually I would login and find 3 other people grinding there. That's when I moved to STV.

It really gets me down -- at level 24 I was pulling in at least 23-26k per hour. Now I'm happy to get 17.

[Narizak]

Has anyone recommended doing the Slag Pit in searing gorge for level 47? It's great, easy grinding, though not very good for cash.

[South]

I did Gelkis for about a level and half, early 30s sometime. The Magram were always camped by Alliance. I just avoided the summons, killed all the other types.

Was pretty good experience, but eventually I would login and find 3 other people grinding there. That's when I moved to STV.

It really gets me down -- at level 24 I was pulling in at least 23-26k per hour. Now I'm happy to get 17.

I usually dont have problems girnding the magrams but yesterday a ganking group was having fun in Desolace.. I'll try today.. :p

In STV, at least in the kurzen camp, it's full of alliance. A pity because the xp is incredible.

Should I stick to centaurs btw 34-37? I'm going to kill myself ;D

PD: At 37 I'm going to try Ogres in Alterac..

[UFTimmy]

I did Gelkis for about a level and half, early 30s sometime. The Magram were always camped by Alliance. I just avoided the summons, killed all the other types.

Was pretty good experience, but eventually I would login and find 3 other people grinding there. That's when I moved to STV.

It really gets me down -- at level 24 I was pulling in at least 23-26k per hour. Now I'm happy to get 17.

I usually dont have problems girnding the magrams but yesterday a ganking group was having fun in Desolace.. I'll try today.. :p

In STV, at least in the kurzen camp, it's full of alliance. A pity because the xp is incredible.

Should I stick to centaurs btw 34-37? I'm going to kill myself ;D

PD: At 37 I'm going to try Ogres in Alterac..

I did quests in STV from about 34-36. Wasn't quick, but I had grinded from 20-34, so it was a nice change of pace.

I did Ogres for a level at 37. Very fast, very rich. But that was during the day. I tried it at night and it was pointless.

[bend0r]

Im currently a lvl 31 shaman.
I tried killing som of the roguefeathers, but they take some time to kill.

So, i noticed the Yetis in Hillsbrad.
I havent had the time to try them out yet, but do any1 know how they are to grind on for a lvl 31?

The yetis are lvl 30-31, and it seems like they have very little, or no armor...
Very fast kills compared to the Roguefeathers @ 1kneedles...

[arch]

The problem with the yetis in Hillsbrad is that the area is filled with Alliance gankers :/, so that makes it a worse place than the Rougefeathers.

[bend0r]

I've noticed that too...
I play on the EU servers, so there are not so many high lvl ppl yet... But there are allways some lvl 40+ thats ganking in the area...

So I'll Just stick to questing a couple of more lvls...
And just do som casual grinding when i need to levelup :P

[zero_toxic]

the kurzen camp on my server in stv is always full of allies.
Its not the problem that they kill me, its just like 20 mobs, 2 horde players and 20 other allies at the spot, so i can be happy if i kill 1 mob every 5th minute.

can u tell me other good grinding spots for my level? (34)
did harpies(1kneedles) and yetis(hillsbrad) till 33.
very good exp and mass leather for me.
so, what now?

:edit:

with magrams its the same.
many many allies, so not enough mobs.

[keboman]

I quested in Arathi with my 35 hunter and pulled around 25k xp/hour.

[LaylaAshley]

The Deepmoss Spiders that are real close to the Graveyard in Stonetalon were nice. I only found them at lv19 but I could take them down before my Stealth cooled off. In the event of a gank, the grave is right there too. ;D They were like lvs 17-19 I think.

Currently lv25, finding the centaurs annoying. Either I don't have the energy/miss the kick, they run off and agro another mob, or they net me. :(

[Blippe]

Can any mage tell me, how is the fastest way of grind? And the most mana effective.

[arch]

Can any mage tell me, how is the fastest way of grind? And the most mana effective.

Fireball, fireball, fireball, fireball and fireball.

[Ratama]

The Deepmoss Spiders that are real close to the Graveyard in Stonetalon were nice. I only found them at lv19 but I could take them down before my Stealth cooled off. In the event of a gank, the grave is right there too. ;D They were like lvs 17-19 I think.

Currently lv25, finding the centaurs annoying. Either I don't have the energy/miss the kick, they run off and agro another mob, or they net me. :(

I keep hearing people say stuff about running MOBs, doesn't anyone use crippling poison? That was always on at least one of my weapons in PvE after level 24 (when I finally finished the quest).

Or save eviscerate till a monster is at 20% life? There are all kinds of times when you have to deal with running monsters and snare poison and timed eviscerates are the key to it for a Rogue.

Maybe those kind of spots aren't for everyone, but that one was a blast for me and I had no problems with runners/netters.

[Malifik]

For lvl 51, I just powered through in like 3-4hrs. I went to Un'Goro and stocked up on all the quests, got a few peeps doing the same stuff and finished about all but 3 there. Then just headed over to Feralas near Desolace zone to grind on the harpies there. On Archimonde, usually never any alliance there :D

[Lustt]

malifik, where did you find a good grind could be had around lvl 56 ? ive just hit it and im beggining to struggle, im just looking for some decent mobs that will drop, find it depressing when i can build 5 pt's and a crit eviscerate still doesnt finish them off.

Cheers.

[South]

What do you recommend to grind at level 40? (rogue :p)

I've tried:

- Whitesomething Bandits & Thieves at Tanaris <- Not very good, alliance wandering, 2-3 warlocks 43 that kill my xp rate

- Ogres at Feralas Magi & normal ones <- good xp, but not too much to grind and 2-3 brutes 43 that kill my xp rate x_x

I've been looking at thotbott:

- Gorilas at STV?
- Witherbark Scalper in Hinterlands?
- Scalding Whelp in Badlands?

What do you think?

[UFTimmy]

What do you recommend to grind at level 40? (rogue :p)

What do you think?

I did the skeletons in the far south of Desolace by the Magram. Was pretty good. I'm sure there are better spots, but that one worked well for me.

[gnarkill]

All I know is when ya hit 42+ goto the tauren camp near mojache. good stuff and then harpies in feralas near desolace at 48+.

[KingKapalone]

Anyone have advice on where to go as a level 47 shadow priest? What level mobs should I be fighting and are there certain types that are better to kill (i.e. casters, fighters)? I feel that if I grind I'm going to miss out on some good quest reward items, so it would be nice to incorporate quests in the grind.

Thanks

[gnarkill]

Umm read my previous post...if you get there and 47 feels a little low then go grind some of the lower mobs in that zone till you're 48.

[KingKapalone]

Post 35 or so, shadow priests grind extremely well. 30-35k/hr in certain places. Until then rely more on quests... once you get your dps boosting talents and especially shadowform it will make a big difference.

How do people get 30-35k/hour? I'm going as fast as I can right now on level 43-46 hippos in feralas as a level 47 shadow priest and I'm only getting about 12,800 per hour. I won't be able to get shadowform until level 50, but I'm starting to wish I didn't put 10 points in Disc early on.

[byto]

i rarely get more than 25k / hour as a ss rogue. im 39 now with a decent mainhand weapon and 90 sta & 90 agi from items. im a bit disappointed because I already got nearly the same xp/h 10 levels ago. dont know whats wrong, must be the wrong spots !? :/

[arch]

Same for me. Can't get more than 25k / h.

[UFTimmy]

i rarely get more than 25k / hour as a ss rogue. im 39 now with a decent mainhand weapon and 90 sta & 90 agi from items. im a bit disappointed because I already got nearly the same xp/h 10 levels ago. dont know whats wrong, must be the wrong spots !? :/

I had the same problem. At 20-25 I was getting 25k/hr. I could never match that.

[Malifik]

Just got lvl 54 and am wondering where to grind now. It's probably buried here in the 16 pages but I don't have a lot of time atm to browse through so just thought I'd get a new discussion goin. Thanks in advance for any who contribute. :D

[Mafiaz]

Anyone got decend grind spot for a 56 Sinister / Sealfate Rogue on PvP Server ? I did Legashi Satyrs every now and then but they are highly overcamped on my server aswell as the entire aszhara Area.

[Jerboa]

I 'm looking for some good spots too, Level 57 Shadowpriest, as I am one of the highest on my EU Server its not so easy to go to 60 with Instancing...

I did lots of Western Plaguelands grinding and tried the Burning Steppes Orcs, they are too hard... nothing for me and I dont remember where I had heard this spot... as I log on then I try the Satyrs in Azshara, hope this works... the Burning Steppes Ogres are too low and the exp/h drops very fast @57 so Western Plaguelands is too low for this...

Help me pls...

[Mafiaz]

Hmm im 57 by now and i think i should try that instancing now. There are lots of high lvl allready on my server allthough im playing on Eu server too. Thanks for the brainstorming jerboa :wink:

[ivo]

45 tauren hunter with bm build here, 43-45 was easy for me, 28k/h @ woodpaws and lots of cash, a greater cash place on that level i have yet to find

[Molakar]

"48-52 Dunemaul Ogres in Tanaris (great Mageweave drops). I like the NE ruins for the early levels, as I could move around it in a circle. Once I got to 50, I liked the higher density in the actual Dunemaul Compound area."

Just hit lvl 48 in Zul and started grinding the Ogre afterwards, but I'm just getting like 22.5k xp/h. Anyone who has grinded these suckers, and if so what xp/h did you get?
I'm probably a shitty warrior with a shitty eq, thats all ^^.

[DyersEve]

I've found this place to be amazing. Hit around 40k in 45 mins, granted that was with rested,. Very good drops via mageweave and cloth. Have found a few green items.

[South]

The Ogres in Badlands are overcamped :'( I hope I'll finish them today :p

What else can I grind at 46? And at 48?

[gnarkill]

Guys read the whole thread before asking a question. People read the first post and then hit 'reply'. Many many people have given other spots to grind for each level.

Also an easy thing to do is to goto http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/questlevels.html and search the zones around your level for your own special grinding spots. The ones listed on this thread arent always the best and most people arent gonna disclose their secret spots...so find your own.

[South]

Guys read the whole thread before asking a question. People read the first post and then hit 'reply'. Many many people have given other spots to grind for each level.

Also an easy thing to do is to goto http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/questlevels.html and search the zones around your level for your own special grinding spots. The ones listed on this thread arent always the best and most people arent gonna disclose their secret spots...so find your own.

lol

[gnarkill]

Naw man, jokes on you for not being able to figure out on your own where to grind. Do you also need help with your template? The game isnt that hard to figure out. The dev team made it simple enough for a chimp to play. /grabs a banana...

[thglid5]

Been grinding in Strat/Schlo/UBRS since lvl 58 :)

Troll sham here ~

[South]

Naw man, jokes on you for not being able to figure out on your own where to grind. Do you also need help with your template? The game isnt that hard to figure out. The dev team made it simple enough for a chimp to play. /grabs a banana...

lol


I don't want to make this thread a flame war. But asking others grinding spots is the goal of this thread. I've read it 3 or 4 times, I don't ask for asking :)