Concerning Warrior Crit

[Fervent]

I have always heard that a crit cannot be dodges/parried. Are ppl just trying to be smartasses when they say that because you dont see a crit get dodged/parried, or does the hit system actually check for a crit because it checks for dodge/parry?

[Belarin]

I have always heard that a crit cannot be dodges/parried. Are ppl just trying to be smartasses when they say that because you dont see a crit get dodged/parried, or does the hit system actually check for a crit because it checks for dodge/parry?

I spent some time investigating this when I played a rogue. Basically what it means is that your crit percent is out of every possible outcome and everything is run from a single role (random number generation). Suppose (completely hypothetically) that you had a 10% chance to be dodged, 10% chance to be parried, 10% chance to miss, and 20% chance to crit. Then, this is as if the game engine rolls a /random 100.

100
- Crit
81
80
- Normal Hit
31
30
- Miss
21
20
- Parry
11
10
- Dodge
1

Basically this means that the amount of attacks you will crit 20% of your swings regardless of how many of them actually land. Obviously there is a precedence here. An increase in Dodge, Parry, Miss, or Crit will all subtract from the chance to get a normal hit. This is why, when you attack a rogue who is evading, you won't get any normal hits, anything that lands is a crit. I don't know what the precedence between Miss, Dodge, Parry, Block, and Crit is though.

-Bel

Edit: Please, correct me if I'm wrong. This is what I remember from a long time ago, and I haven't investigated it since.

[Xaos]

It's the other way round, dodged swing cant crit. Details: http://evilempireguild.org/guides/

[RubiksCube]

Does that mean if a tank has 95% to block attacks (easy to achieve with shield block) and the opposing attacker has 5% to crit him, if the hit lands it will be an automatic crit? Sounds hard to believe.

[Anduryondon]

No, because block != no dmg. A block just reduces the dmg you get by your blockchance.

[Anonymous]

No, because block != no dmg. A block just reduces the dmg you get by your Block amount.

fixed.

Would be great if it would be reduced by your block chance (95% chance = 95% reduced.) Actually that would make blocking very viable, if not WAYYY overpowered. (I'd break 100% block if styleens scarab would finally drop)

And btw: Crits cannot be blocked. If you activate shield block with like 97% block chance (like i have), and a rogue has this 100% crit ability you won't block him by any chance. Never tested it with recklessness, but than again recklessness tooltip says "most attacks will be critical strikes" last time i checked.

[Anduryondon]

Eh yeah sry, was just a typo. Of course its Block amount x_X
But you can block crits, had enough fights with my def gear, where their crits made just 200 dmg :p. Maybe the 100% crit ability can only made from behind, so you have no block? (you cant block (i think dodge/parry too) attacks from behind)

[Anonymous]

200? how much block do you have?

Well, i'd say gimme a screen shot that says "blabla crits you for XXX (XXX blocked)"

Last time i checked i never blocked a critical strike.

[Anduryondon]

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1055/critblock9nq.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Anonymous]

okay, than i was worng, mea culpa.

Still, what kinda weapon is that warrior using? A fish?

[Anduryondon]

Zinrokh with ~1000 AP. Wearing Full wrath in duels vs melee can be kinda funny

[HellCry]

Just try using recklsessness vs a geared rogue using evasion. And yes you can block crits. Saw lots of "Nubrogues backstan crits you for 1 (201 blocked)" the last weeks when shield block was the shit.

[sokkeh]

rogues can miss their cold blood evis... discuss :)

[Belarin]

rogues can miss their cold blood evis... discuss :)

Cold Blood is a filter that is applied after the attacks result is calculated, turning any regular hit into a crit. At least, that is my take on it.

[HellCry]

you can miss with recklessness aswell. 100% crit doesnt equal 100% hit. My guess is that you still have base missrate when using CB and reck.