5 Man Tournament Video

[Belarin]

I don't know if you guys have seen this yet, but this video is from the 5v5 arena tournament recently held on Stormscale EU. It seems to me to show a very high level of play (and interesting group composition, as neither of the finalists had any warriors). It also demonstrates just how amazing Ice Block is for disrupting the assist train.

http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=12130

Thoughts?

-Belarin

[Trixx]

Sounds like something I'd want to watch...Hopefully there are some warlocks in the video, I'd like to see how others play them in group pvp...

[doN]

http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=12096 - same fights, but from a rogue. You get a closer look in some parts in this one.

That Mannel caster team seems good. 8)

[Jedus]

I've seen this a long while back. I still have it on my computer. They run priest, rogue, warrior, warlock and paladin I think. That rogue really knows how to play too. An ambush rogue I believe.

[Belarin]

http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=12096 - same fights, but from a rogue. You get a closer look in some parts in this one.

That Mannel caster team seems good. 8)

Yes, but watching the fight from the perspective of a player who turns off group heath bars drives me insane. :roll:

I agree with you about the Mannel team though (and they have a warlock :wink: )

[Belarin]

I'd also love to know what spec their priest is. She has silence, so I'm guessing it's either 17/13/21, or 9/21/21.

[doN]

Freak spec! http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?630906

mannel priest got silence as well I think, seems good in arena duels if the team can handle it

[doN]

.. but focused casting and spamming pw shield, .. OOM!

[Belarin]

Freak spec! http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?630906

Sweet, thanks!


...and no imp flash

Indeed. He did get DI Ring, Dragons Blood Cape, Master Dragonslayer's Medallion, and ZHB though, so don't be too tough on him Vhell. 8)

Still, Imp Flash seems like a necessity, especially for Alliance as Martyrdom and Focus Casting have a habit of being purged.

[Belarin]

On second inspection, "Holy shit is that a lot of Limited Invulnerability Pots".

[Trixx]

Freak spec! http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?630906

Sweet, thanks!


...and no imp flash

Indeed. He did get DI Ring, Dragons Blood Cape, Master Dragonslayer's Medallion, and ZHB though, so don't be too tough on him Vhell. 8)

Still, Imp Flash seems like a necessity, especially for Alliance as Martyrdom and Focus Casting have a habit of being purged.

Alliance have concentration aura though...

[Volkov]

Tina is without a doubt in my mind the best geared priest for PvP on the EU and probably in the whole of WoW.~ And anyways, be realistic - imp. flash heal is good but it's not THAT good. An extra means of silence is especially needed against double-trinket caster teams "rofl he was dead before sheep broke" like ours (Mannel).

For the warlock part - 2 out of 3 of our main teams have a warlock. The 2 usual locks we have 1 is usually soullink 1 is destroooo (gimp only 1 trinket) Warlocks own, excellent CCer, assisting with burst damage and felhunter is a class on its own, especially with 5 nemesis. \o

And yeah, ice block is awesome, by the time all iceblocks have been used the other team's dps has been shattered and their last healer is finishing his shield+heartstone. :)

I have to say though, it's (obviously) a lot more challenging fighting as a caster team when almost every item/potion is allowed. Last tournament was with basically everything other than flasks/mc caps and some minor shit, was an entirely different game fighting against 5 ice reflectors and 5 greater ice protection potions, but still after a bit of getting used to (and all the other teams blowing their 30 minute cooldowns) the caster team dominated the final matchups. \o

Anyways to sum it up, 5vs5 has changed quite alot from the times before BGs, a good 5vs5 team is a combination of classes, communication, gear, sk33lz, cc power etc etc.

5vs5 for life! \o

[WindiaN]

i doubt that 1 point in spiritual healing is worth not having inner focus, other than that it is a pretty neat spec and i must say i never had the guts to give up imp flash heal

[Sneezer]

Tina is without a doubt in my mind the best geared priest for PvP on the EU and probably in the whole of WoW.

... and i stoped reading...

She might be one of the best dressed, she might even have the current ultimate outfit. But to state that she's _the best_ geared among the entire wow population is silly.

[Anonymous]

I can't download the video, it keeps saying Invalid Key or in use or Missing File on Filefront. :(

[Sneezer]

I can't download the video, it keeps saying Invalid Key or in use or Missing File on Filefront. :(

for me too, the rogue one works on some of the servers, but his setup with no party frames sucks.. ^^

[arch]

I can't download the video, it keeps saying Invalid Key or in use or Missing File on Filefront. :(

Check your PM's.

[Anonymous]

I can't download the video, it keeps saying Invalid Key or in use or Missing File on Filefront. :(

Check your PM's.

Check yours. :P

EDIT: nevermind

[uro]

filefront is so bad, wtb rehost or priv login =\

[Senta]

could someone mirror the original?

sounds like a good watch

[arch]

filefront is so bad, wtb rehost or priv login =\

Check your PM's.

[syndt]

saw the rogue pov one some time ago, good stuff. filefront sucks a glorious amount of male genitalia, however, so i cant see the mage pov.

[SandDemon]

How about a PM my way? :) Can't view it either

[Soruss]

IF you look closely filefront has a little message that says "users with names starting with M - S will have their files taken down for routine maintenance"

And the person hosting the file on filefront has a name starting with 'm'

So.... it doesn't work for me either.

Does the non-rogue pov have health bars and what not? I hate it when people do these 5vs5 tournies and they have a video that isn't from the pov of one of the combatants and you can barely tell what's going on. Hopefully this isn't like that :D

[grimmundr]

Could someone please PM me with the mage video?
Want to see these fights with party frames.

Rogues decent though.

[Belarin]

Wow, I'm really bummed that the Mage PoV download is down. Guess I should have checked the link before posting it. :(


Does the non-rogue pov have health bars and what not? I hate it when people do these 5vs5 tournies and they have a video that isn't from the pov of one of the combatants and you can barely tell what's going on. Hopefully this isn't like that :D

That is exactly my problem with the Rogue's version. You get an up closer view, but as a priest I feel completely in the dark watching a 5v5 that doesn't show party health and status, which he doesn't. He also cuts out early when he dies, even if the fight is still going on (WTF?).

Well, I hope that the link breakage is due to maintainance or that it is fixed soon...

[mek]

This tournament is great, last few weeks have been interesting with the addition of a lot more pots and cooldown abilities tho it hasn't effected the overall outcome :) . As for Tina's gear that profile looks way out of date, he is rank 13 now using the nef head necklace, ring of reckoning and dark iron ring, dragons blood cape, he has an insane amount of HP and is fucking hard to kill :) *edit* ok i didn't check his bags, his gear owns, dunno about best in all wow but i don't see how he could get much more sta and armour :o

Here's a link to a movie of the final battle from the tournment this thread is about, pretty cool pov recorded by one of our hunters from the stands :)

removed the link since it's dead, will just up to another host. *done*

*edit* and again that link is now dead. i need some good hosting :<


//mek

[arch]

Mek is a ugly troll.

[Theldon]

filefront is so bad, wtb rehost or priv login =\

Check your PM's.

Can you send me a link my way? I gotta see this warlock in action.

[arch]

Wasn't a link, was an account to wcm.com.

[mek]

regarding warlocks, i believe they are totally essential in 5v5 atm for horde. We use one in all 3 of our teams that play in this competition. CC, dispelling, dmg. they really have it all imo :>

Mage/Mage/Lock/Priest/Rogue
Hunter/Lock/Priest/Shaman/Warrior
Warrior/Rogue/Shaman/Priest/Lock

these are the 3 setups we are using atm

//mek

[doN]

Love the 5vs5 tournament videos, amazed by some of the team play in em. Mannel : make videos and post em here please! 8) Would love to see a winning horde team through the tournament.. something about watching gnomes kick ass that is just not right.

[Unamed]

That priest is freaking sick. It must be nice to be in a guild that lets you roll on that much BWL stam gear.

[AzouN]

She has my fucking cape.

So do I :D

Finally got Dark Irong Ring and Dragon's Blood, within two weeks as well ^^

Just need Archimtiros' and then it's Master Dragonslayers' Medallion and time to get more Transcendence :)

[grimmundr]

Mek, I notice you've got a rogue in 2 of those 3 groups. What role do they play? Just anti-cloth? Spell interuption? Assist train member?

[arch]

Bandwith exceeded, cry.

[mek]

sometimes the rogues can get a sap in depending on the other team's setup. Mainly tho they are for CC'ing healers and general dps. Our nasty caster group put's the rogue on the priest while they begin to burst dmg down the warriors etc.. it's pretty dynamic tho, sometimes the rogue is in the assist train. In that final movie u can see that topanga opens up on the priest but then joins the assist train after the first dps'er is down. Rogues are just generally very strong cc/dps :)

It's very interesting the way 5v5 has evolved. There's a lot of whine about warriors flying around these days but the standard 2 war, 1 shaman, 2 priest setup of old, or a common alliance setup like 2 war, pala, druid, priest .. they will just get destroyed by a caster group because u can just massively out dmg and cc them. Hunters are also totally underused, the setup we had in the warders video on our 2nd team was setup late so we had just one dispell and got raped by the 2x mage teams. However with the 2x dispell hunters are fantastic, great burst dps and that aoe frost trap with the talent is great for kiting melee off your priest.

//mek

[Pand]

Tina is without a doubt in my mind the best geared priest for PvP on the EU and probably in the whole of WoW.~ And anyways, be realistic - imp. flash heal is good but it's not THAT good. An extra means of silence is especially needed against double-trinket caster teams "rofl he was dead before sheep broke" like ours (Mannel).


I am extremely jealous of the ring of arch, dragon's blood, master dragonslayer's neck, heavy dark iron ring combo of that priest's build, from what I recall that's vhell's current Holy/Disc PvP final build's key pieces.

Makes my gear look inferior :<

[Pand]

That priest is freaking sick. It must be nice to be in a guild that lets you roll on that much BWL stam gear.

Yeah, inspiration.

[WindiaN]

my only issue with that priest is his spec, there was no reason not to take inner focus if he already had 23 in disc

[Belarin]

my only issue with that priest is his spec, there was no reason not to take inner focus if he already had 23 in disc

He only has 2/5 in Mental Agillity, instead placing his points in 3/3 Imp Inner Fire and 5/5 Mental Strength. So getting Inner Focus is a matter of 4 points, not just 1.

I was never a great fan of Inner Focus in PvP, when I had it, and I'm not convinced that, from a purely PvP perspective, 3/5 Agility and Inner Focus is better than the 4/5 Mental Strength one would have to lose.

[grimmundr]

sometimes the rogues can get a sap in depending on the other team's setup. Mainly tho they are for CC'ing healers and general dps. Our nasty caster group put's the rogue on the priest while they begin to burst dmg down the warriors etc.. it's pretty dynamic tho, sometimes the rogue is in the assist train. In that final movie u can see that topanga opens up on the priest but then joins the assist train after the first dps'er is down. Rogues are just generally very strong cc/dps :)

It's very interesting the way 5v5 has evolved. There's a lot of whine about warriors flying around these days but the standard 2 war, 1 shaman, 2 priest setup of old, or a common alliance setup like 2 war, pala, druid, priest .. they will just get destroyed by a caster group because u can just massively out dmg and cc them. Hunters are also totally underused, the setup we had in the warders video on our 2nd team was setup late so we had just one dispell and got raped by the 2x mage teams. However with the 2x dispell hunters are fantastic, great burst dps and that aoe frost trap with the talent is great for kiting melee off your priest.

//mek

Interesting. Thank you.

Wish I could DL this damn mage video! (Edit : It can be DL'd now, they finished thier repairs it seems)

Do you guys video each one? I'd be interested in seeing some more.

[Belarin]

Do you guys video each one? I'd be interested in seeing some more.

QFT, we want to see more. :P

(That applies to you to vhell! 5man FTW)

[Kymberly]

Just a quick question for vhell. Most priests I know are choosing to stack HP over AC. For example going for the +100hp on legs/helm instead of +125 AC and I was wondering what is better in your opinion. atm I have 4.8k hp and around 2.7k AC with a warden staff in my bags for when i've got melee on me.

[Belarin]

Just a quick question for vhell. Most priests I know are choosing to stack HP over AC. For example going for the +100hp on legs/helm instead of +125 AC and I was wondering what is better in your opinion. atm I have 4.8k hp and around 2.7k AC with a warden staff in my bags for when i've got melee on me.

Dang it, I was going to reply by posting a witty Vhellism, but now I can't find it. :(

I believe the general idea is that, if you solo Stamina is superior, but if you have a dedicated secondary healer then armor is superior because it increases the effectiveness of all the heals you receive.

[Pand]

Just a quick question for vhell. Most priests I know are choosing to stack HP over AC. For example going for the +100hp on legs/helm instead of +125 AC and I was wondering what is better in your opinion. atm I have 4.8k hp and around 2.7k AC with a warden staff in my bags for when i've got melee on me.

o.O it's Kym

Personally, I tried the AC build as an alliance priest. I guess it's Arathi Basin or something that ruins my taste of stacking AC > Hp, because the constant purging of innerfire quite owns the AC priest concept imo.

Also, it's hell of alot easier to get +100 Hp librams then +125 ac librams, coffers runs are a bitch T_T

Not sure what Vhell's theories are, I stack Hp because I can though =)

edit- I'm not shadow anymore btw, was for cp grinding. holy / disc ftw !

[Pand]

Freak spec! http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?630906

Sweet, thanks!


...and no imp flash

Indeed. He did get DI Ring, Dragons Blood Cape, Master Dragonslayer's Medallion, and ZHB though, so don't be too tough on him Vhell. 8)

Still, Imp Flash seems like a necessity, especially for Alliance as Martyrdom and Focus Casting have a habit of being purged.

I understand his concept behind 23/7/21, pure 5v5 build. Purely for silence for crowd control, focused casting/martyrdom for healing .. From instinct I don't think I saw anyone purge him during the 5v5 vids while focus casting was used.. Also on the contrary that the mages played quite a well defense for their priest.

[Phixus]

a world without imp flash heal is a world of pain and very _VERY_ annoying fear immune hunter pets.

[doN]

a world without imp flash heal is a world of pain and very _VERY_ annoying fear immune hunter pets.

It's not that bad tbh 8) Silence is a really powerfull tool, think priests generally got a better overlook of the battle then other classes, we know where them sneaky priests hide :twisted: :twisted:

[Belarin]

Silence is a really powerfull tool, think priests generally got a better overlook of the battle then other classes, we know where them sneaky priests hide :twisted: :twisted:

Agreed, but I don't usually use it to silence enemy healers. I use it to silence the AP/ToEP/ZHC mage that is about to barbacue my ass!

On a side note, I just dled a video of an UD mage from my server. I'm in it. \o/ He runs into me in WPL back when I was 17/34/0. I fake a FHeal, get the 4s silence instead of 10s CS, and am dead before the 4s is up. :(

[AzouN]

This tournament is great, last few weeks have been interesting with the addition of a lot more pots and cooldown abilities tho it hasn't effected the overall outcome :) . As for Tina's gear that profile looks way out of date, he is rank 13 now using the nef head necklace, ring of reckoning and dark iron ring, dragons blood cape, he has an insane amount of HP and is fucking hard to kill :) *edit* ok i didn't check his bags, his gear owns, dunno about best in all wow but i don't see how he could get much more sta and armour :o

Here's a link to a movie of the final battle from the tournment this thread is about, pretty cool pov recorded by one of our hunters from the stands :)

removed the link since it's dead, will just up to another host. *done*

http://www.glowingminds.net/mannelVSwarders_final.avi

//mek

I GOT THAT FUCKING CAPE!!

Fixed.

Grats :)

[Belarin]

I GOT THAT FUCKING CAPE!!

Fixed.

Grats :)

Grats Vhell!

[mek]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1516223560630348746&q=mannel

sorry it took a while but here's that video i had of the final match on a decent host

*edit* and now i checked it and it totally gimps the quality. if anyone knows of a decent place to put these damn videos please let me know :(

//mek

[mek]

there's another tourney this friday and both us and warders are signed up. I will make sure we get some nice frapsing and put a video up on warcraftmovies.com since i can't find anywhere else :/

//mek

[brood]

Nice to see other people see this to :)
Mannel won the third tournament with a pretty interesting team setup. We had mage(frost), warlock(destruction), priest (holy), hunter(marks) and me as elemental shaman. We borrowed the dual trinket mage from Mannel 1 team and our warlock Yuber only had one trinket at the time but eventually we finished on top proving that almost any team setup is viable.

/salute old school archimonde people

[Savor]

brood the dwarf, eh? I remember joos. Oldschool Archimonde gogo.

So, if I reroll on that EU server to be a 5v5 monster.. do you all speak english?!

[khan3817]

Maskin's solo warrior PvP is still probably the most impressive warrior video ever released.

[div--]

brood the dwarf, eh? I remember joos. Oldschool Archimonde gogo.

So, if I reroll on that EU server to be a 5v5 monster.. do you all speak english?!

if you roll on an english server, most people know a english word or 2



(gold plz?)

[Nemico]

i will personally donate you 10g if you roll on ss savor, maybe even a SM run or two ^^

[Savor]

LINK PHILIPIPPIOS.

[Jedus]

Wow someone has yellow fever.

[arch]

LINK PHILIPIPPIOS.

http://files.filefront.com/Mortals_Movie/;3876089;2;/fileinfo.html

[brood]

brood the dwarf, eh? I remember joos. Oldschool Archimonde gogo.

So, if I reroll on that EU server to be a 5v5 monster.. do you all speak english?!

Aye that was me. Still remember getting owned in roaming 5v5 by you guys :)

[Rorkrlar]

Maskin's solo warrior PvP is still probably the most impressive warrior video ever released.link plz :>

[khan3817]

Maskin's solo warrior PvP is still probably the most impressive warrior video ever released.link plz :>

see above.

[keboman]

Maskin's solo warrior PvP is still probably the most impressive warrior video ever released.

Just watched that movie. It's obvious he understands the mechanics of playing a warrior (and actually makes less mistakes than are shown in most warrior videos!) but his enemies are not very impressive.

All that really happened when I watched that is I wondered why someone rolled horde and didn't make an undead.

It's funny how that changes some of the warrior dynamics.. berserker rage can be used as more of an assist to rage generation than a fear breaker and there is no longer a fear of using it proactively and having it wasted.

He should be more actively using intimidating shout too. Like when the mage is nuking him and the priest is healing.. while he's standing practically inside of them. At around 2:45 at the second time he gets frost nova'd if he'd int. shouted that fight could have been a lot shorter.

Hey the funny thing is this is less nitpicking then I can do of most warrior videos. I like Uro's videos the best because I can't see shit so I can't do this..

[arch]

I like Uro's videos the best because I can't see shit so I can't do this..

Uro is actually a noob, but a smart one.

[Fervent]

That was a good vid, good ol' times. But ya the ppl he was fighting were rather shitty. None of the rogues tried to stunlock but instead tried to take an arcanite reaper warrior at their peak of overpoweredness straight up which just seems moronic. One of the mage battles he is dead if the mage just turns around and fire blasts him instead of, for whatever reason, running 20 yards away to do a frostbolt when his health is at 200.

The part in BRM was impressive where he and his priest keep saving eachother from being MCed off the ledge. Of course if they rolled UD it would have completely nulified the priest doing that. The ppl he is fighting for the most part are bad but he still seems to be a good warrior, better than most of those rank 14 show off videos.

[Anonymous]

the vid was good, but i have seen so many arcreaper-valorshoulders-orcwarrior videos that i cannot stand them anymore.

props for having a troll priest though. the dispelling was pretty good IMO.

[khan3817]

Hey the funny thing is this is less nitpicking then I can do of most warrior videos.

Right. This is an above average video.

[keboman]

Hey the funny thing is this is less nitpicking then I can do of most warrior videos.

Right. This is an above average video.

Meh, it's not entertaining.

[fortysixn2]

why the fuck is the video upside down when I play it?

[Sneezer]

why the fuck is the video upside down when I play it?

mind your language and use mplayer or vlc instead. or you could go out hunting whatever codex it is you need, but that'd prolly be far more work.

[keboman]

http://hellninjacommando.com/defilerpak/

Any time something breaks/doesn't work right I just download and install that. So far it's worked every time.

[Belarin]

And now, for your viewing pleasure, here is one of the weirdest 5-man tournaments that I've seen.

http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=16434

The team consists of a Fury Warrior, 31/20 Warrior, Feral Druid, Shadow Priest, and a Paladin on Emeriss (English).

It's quite entertaining as an alternate group setup, although I don't know how I'd feel about running a group with so little healing and no cc.

[Jedus]

And now, for your viewing pleasure, here is one of the weirdest 5-man tournaments that I've seen.

http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=16434

The team consists of a Fury Warrior, 31/20 Warrior, Feral Druid, Shadow Priest, and a Paladin on Emeriss (English).

It's quite entertaining as an alternate group setup, although I don't know how I'd feel about running a group with so little healing and no cc.

Wow I almost want to may my alt warrior fury. Crazy DPS in that vid.

[Traumatize]

And now, for your viewing pleasure, here is one of the weirdest 5-man tournaments that I've seen.

http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=16434

The team consists of a Fury Warrior, 31/20 Warrior, Feral Druid, Shadow Priest, and a Paladin on Emeriss (English).

It's quite entertaining as an alternate group setup, although I don't know how I'd feel about running a group with so little healing and no cc.

Hah, Edril!

Played alot against him and Philan when they were on Korgall still.

Very good fury warrior but meh fury is teh suk:<