Ashkandi Enchant

[Shigeru]

I was using Crusader but i decided i wanted more constant damage without relying on a proc. I currently have 918AP unbuffed with 5709HP. I put +9 Weapon damage on it to see how it went and i'm not unhappy with it but since I am pretty much an AP warrior I was wondering whether i would gain more out of +15str over +9 wep damage.

Can i please get some feedback.

[Kakarot]

15 Str = 30 AP

normal swings:
30 AP / 14 = 2.143 * 3.5 (weapon speed) = 7.5 (extra dmg on hit)

MS/WW/overpower:

30 AP / 14 = 2.143 * 3.3 (instant hit AP-factor) = 7.07 (extra dmg on instant hits)


7.5/7.07 (from 15 Str) vs. 9.0 (from +9 weapon dmg)


btw. 918 AP unbuffed is not that much, if you are using Ashkandi.

[wargh]

gixx du flamer :X

[Shigeru]

I know there are a few more items i need to get. so +9 is > +15str

thanks

[Soulless]

gixx du flamer :X

lol geowned ;p

[khan3817]

It's either Flameguards + Chain or Crusader + Strongholds.

(imo.)

[KingKapalone]

in your profile you have flamgeuards + crusader

[khan3817]

Because I swap to a chained anytime I hear the perfectly distinct noise of a warrior switching into Defensive stance that's close to me.

[Dunderdon]

i never hear that :P

disarming seems to be a "server-thing" (<-means on same servers they disarm on others they dont)

[Soruss]

i never hear that :P

disarming seems to be a "server-thing" (<-means on same servers they disarm on others they dont)

On noob servers people don't disarm, on good servers people do.

[Soulless]

i never hear that :P

disarming seems to be a "server-thing" (<-means on same servers they disarm on others they dont)

On noob servers people don't disarm, on good servers people do.

And ain't I glad that I play on a n00b server.

[KingKapalone]

Yeah it probably only takes one person to start disarming people to make the entire server start worrying about it.

[Dunderdon]

Yeah it probably only takes one person to start disarming people to make the entire server start worrying about it.

exactly that is the case
so i wont even start disarming, since i dont want a chain on my weapon :P

[Soulless]

Yeah it probably only takes one person to start disarming people to make the entire server start worrying about it.

exactly that is the case
so i wont even start disarming, since i dont want a chain on my weapon :P

No, me and my friend started disarming on our server a while ago.

Since to this day I have not been disarmed.

The only thing that changed is that some people start ordering weaponchains from me or start switching to strongholds as soon as one of us 2 enters the battle.

;)

[keboman]

I've only _ever_ been disarmed by a warrior if I do it first. Combat rogues it happens fairly often if they have the riposte macro. I think every Askhandi on my server I've disarmed, not sure how many are standing on the mailbox in IF though.

[HellCry]

A dwarf warrior on my server who frequently PvP's got his ashkandi a few weeks ago. He had a chained Spinal before and everyone knew he didnt have strongholds. He got to do a few BG's undisarmed. Then it was like "lolol XXXXX doesnt have a chain on his shiny new sword, disarm him to piss him off". They did. He now has it chained.

Imo get death grips/Strongholds and crusader (burstdmg ftw). If someone disarms you switch gloves for the duration of the BG. It is very very rare that i get disarmed nowadays since most ppl who try get an immune msg. Or just run around with your strongholds for a few weeks so everyone will "know" that you always use em, then switch to flameguards, if you have em that is. Doesnt work well for taurens, works wondrers for gnomes.

[onyx]

Crusader > every enchant in the game.

Personally, I use Flamegaurds full time and have my second HW axe chained for quick swapping around smart warriors. Get the best of both worlds. =)

[keboman]

All you need now is a HOJ, onyx!

[onyx]

I'd rather use my Drake Fang for the consistant AP over HOJ this patch now that sword spec (and extra attacks being nerfed somewhat).

1024 AP unbuffed w/ burst of crusader = gg

[HellCry]

Crusader > every enchant in the game.

Personally, I use Flamegaurds full time and have my second HW axe chained for quick swapping around smart warriors. Get the best of both worlds. =)

Not to be a smartass, but has anyone here done the maths for crusader vs +9 dmg for sustained dps? For PvP Crusader is far superior cause of the burst potential but im not to sure for long PvE fights.

[BarryManilow]

i thought onyx liked +15agil over crusader for tanking no?

also, why is every1 switching back to axes? cuz the patch bugged swd spec? (i.e. not proccing off specials)

[Soruss]

also, why is every1 switching back to axes? cuz the patch bugged swd spec? (i.e. not proccing off specials)

I think so, but this probably wasn't intentional. No way blizzard would be dumb enough to do that intentionally...

...

...


:?

[Soruss]

If I see flameguards, I disarm.

Strong holds and death grips are pretty easy to spot, so... just don't disarm those people.

IMHO if you dont' get disarmed and you don't have immunity, then you dont' disarm yourself. Anyone short of a mentally challenged person or victim of brain surgery gone awry would be smart enough to clue in that when they get disarmed, they can disarm too and disarm you back.

Not disarming is a cause and effect relationship, if you're nub enough not to disarm, then the people you're fighting are probably nub enough not to realize they can disarm and won't try and disarm you.

[Dunderdon]

also, why is every1 switching back to axes? cuz the patch bugged swd spec? (i.e. not proccing off specials)

i am gonna switch to axes too as soon as i get a spinal or a drake talon cleaver, because i lack the dkp/time for aquiring all the pretty offgear in bwl (i have drake talon pauldrons and chromatic boots but my dkp is just too low right now) and still keep up with the tankgear.

imho 5% crit from axe spec really helps if you are stuck with a mix of off/def gear. this might be complete bullshit in terms of dps but it just feels better if you crit a lot =)

edit: if i think about it, fuck that, if askhandi drops i am going for that no matter what :P

[Trixx]

i thought onyx liked +15agil over crusader for tanking no?

also, why is every1 switching back to axes? cuz the patch bugged swd spec? (i.e. not proccing off specials)

Nothing to do with it, people just get bored and want to try something different for a change. At first there were only good axes, then swords came in and that was a fun surprise to see the increase in burst, now people want consistency (axes), but tomorrow sword spec will be hot again...depending on how much they fuck with it of course.

[keboman]

Umm.. the old sword spec had higher average damage and way higher peaks (not to mention rage generation), now it's actually about the same or worse than 5% crit. You should swap your Blackhand's for HOJ onyx, HOJ isn't nerfed like sword spec.

[onyx]

I'll take my 1300 ap self buffed with 35 crit + WINDFURY over HOJ any day.

[keboman]

I'll take my 1300 ap self buffed with 35 crit + WINDFURY over HOJ any day.

Or you could have 1320 ap, 33 crit, windfury, and 2% chance to get an additional attack ;-D

[onyx]

don't need an hoj with windfury. you can argue all day long, two crit on a trinket is INVALUABLE.

I bet you also think Might/Wrath is good for pvp, too. ;)

[Devilnaut]

What's to argue? Either 1% chance to extra attack is worth more than 1% chance to crit, or it isn't.

You don't "need" extra attacks if you have windfury, but +2% chance to crit is 'invaluable'? I don't get it..

[keboman]

Nope, no interest in Might, I think the only thing I'd use is the chest over the Legionnare's Plate Armor.

Two crit on a trinket doesn't strike me as invaluable, but imba bonus attacks does ;-D

[Soulless]

I'll take my 1300 ap self buffed with 35 crit + WINDFURY over HOJ any day.

Or you could have 1320 ap, 33 crit, windfury, and 2% chance to get an additional attack ;-D

1264 AP + 35% crit + Windfury + 2% Chance for an extra Attack.



don't need an hoj with windfury. you can argue all day long, two crit on a trinket is INVALUABLE.

I bet you also think Might/Wrath is good for pvp, too. ;)

But seriously that argumentation is retarded.

First you say Crusader is the best enchant, because burstdamage ftw.

And then you say you prefer DFT over HOJ for the consitency(sp?) in your DPS.

[khan3817]

It's not even about consistency vs. burst or measuring out the effectiveness of both. Read the fucking description for Drake Fang Talisman:

+56 AP (FIFTY SIX FUCKING AP, ONE SLOT.)

+2% HIT (lol yes plz ty.)

[uro]

The idea is the consistancy OF burst. 2% is WAY too low to pass up a shitload of hit and AP. Crusader is almost ALWAYS up.

[keboman]

I was talking about changing the Blackhand's for HOJ, trading out the Drakefang one would be retarded.

[uro]

thats a personal preference, although with extra attacks still resetting your swing timer, id prefer BHB. Also, the 2% of HOJ is just that, 2%. BHB's crit stacks with your other crit, and we all know how compounding % stats in this game coupled with the streaky RNG work.

[keboman]

Streaky RNG? I thought they fixed that problem? I've never noticed any huge/strange streaks that I could at least capture with recap over a long period of time.

[Devilnaut]

thats a personal preference, although with extra attacks still resetting your swing timer, id prefer BHB. Also, the 2% of HOJ is just that, 2%. BHB's crit stacks with your other crit, and we all know how compounding % stats in this game coupled with the streaky RNG work.

Err, wouldn't each additional % of crit leading up to 100 mean less and less? I mean, +1% is 1% but 50% > 51% is not actually adding as much since 50% of your attacks are already crits.

[keboman]

You're thinking like how going from 1% to 2% doubles your number of crits? That is true but it doesn't have anything to do with it's affect on damage.

[Soulless]

It's not even about consistency vs. burst or measuring out the effectiveness of both. Read the fucking description for Drake Fang Talisman:

+56 AP (FIFTY SIX FUCKING AP, ONE SLOT.)

+2% HIT (lol yes plz ty.)

Are you fucking retarded?

The only thing which makes DFT "better" than HOJ is the 36 AP (THIRTY SIX FUCKING AP MORE), because if you're seriously going to say that you don't have +5% Hit already with equipment on the level of DFT, then maybe you should lose some of the might/wrath shit.

It is as mentioned before personal preference, but I for one would not exchange BHB or HOJ for DFT, but if they lose the +Dodge and switch the +Hit to +Crit that would be a different story. :o

[keboman]

We need a smart math person to write a simulator, kthxbai. I'm sure we'd see some really surprising stuff .

Well, maybe not with current gear but oddities always pop up when something is taken to extremes relative to the constant. (I have no idea what I'm talking about btw)

[Devilnaut]

You're thinking like how going from 1% to 2% doubles your number of crits? That is true but it doesn't have anything to do with it's affect on damage.

Yeah I think you're right. A % point is a % point, it's not adding a % of a number but the flat % itself.

[onyx]

I'll take my 1300 ap self buffed with 35 crit + WINDFURY over HOJ any day.

Or you could have 1320 ap, 33 crit, windfury, and 2% chance to get an additional attack ;-D

1264 AP + 35% crit + Windfury + 2% Chance for an extra Attack.



don't need an hoj with windfury. you can argue all day long, two crit on a trinket is INVALUABLE.

I bet you also think Might/Wrath is good for pvp, too. ;)

But seriously that argumentation is retarded.

First you say Crusader is the best enchant, because burstdamage ftw.

And then you say you prefer DFT over HOJ for the consitency(sp?) in your DPS.


I still stand by my arguement. Crusader is up 90% of the time. And as Uro said this game's RNG is known for being streaky as shit. I'll take 2 crit on a TRINKET SLOT over a HOJ any day.


EDIT: Uro said it best.

[Anduryondon]

DFT has one problem. hit has a cap, crit/xtra attacks doesnt. With AQ most of the good warrior stuff has % hit, even now there is onyxia talisman, onslaught belt and chrom boots. With aq there are the new legs with 1% hit and gauntlets of annihilation with 1% hit. At this time you would have already 5% and even with 4% hit you gain much more from BHB or HOJ than from DFT. With my endgear i will take the 280 ap trinket and hoj, because HOJ can still procc other proccs (i.e. windfury), at least thats what ppl told me.

[onyx]

HE is arguing that HOJ > BHB, which in most cases it's not, IMO. You probably won't see a trinket with 2 CRIT for a long, long time from Blizzad's itemization dept. It all comes down to preference, I chose DFT and BHB over an HOJ + (DFT or BHB).

Now, whether I use DFT or HOJ as my SECOND trinket slot is my choice. You can stick to your HOJ, I'll keep my DFT w/ windfury.

[Soulless]

HE is arguing that HOJ > BHB[...]

Who is?

I'm not, I just said that HOJ/BHB > DFT, imo.

[onyx]

Soulless, I was refering to keboman's post:


I was talking about changing the Blackhand's for HOJ, trading out the Drakefang one would be retarded.

As Uro stated, it's about consistancy (DFT + BHB) while maintaining a reasonable amount of burst dps (crusader).

[Soulless]

Soulless, I was refering to keboman's post:


I was talking about changing the Blackhand's for HOJ, trading out the Drakefang one would be retarded.

As Uro stated, it's about consistancy (DFT + BHB) while maintaining a reasonable amount of burst dps (crusader).

I see I see.

[BarryManilow]

yes its not purple and not as consistent...but I still like HoJ due to the insane burst damage u can get w/ it (esp vs squishies). my crit w/ full swd spec is still pretty good 25.5% in battle, so it quite often double crits

add a custom event to yer sct to see when it procs...

[^Deman]

ally warriors dont got windfury,we stick on hoj BHB eventualy hoj DFT

iz saved my ass countless times in AB and i talk alot of times on ts with the horde pvp groups ,moust of them dont even bother to use windfury totems they stick to eartbind and fire

[khan3817]

It's not even about consistency vs. burst or measuring out the effectiveness of both. Read the fucking description for Drake Fang Talisman:

+56 AP (FIFTY SIX FUCKING AP, ONE SLOT.)

+2% HIT (lol yes plz ty.)

Are you fucking retarded?

The only thing which makes DFT "better" than HOJ is the 36 AP (THIRTY SIX FUCKING AP MORE), because if you're seriously going to say that you don't have +5% Hit already with equipment on the level of DFT, then maybe you should lose some of the might/wrath shit.

It is as mentioned before personal preference, but I for one would not exchange BHB or HOJ for DFT, but if they lose the +Dodge and switch the +Hit to +Crit that would be a different story. :o

Rofl, sorry, the only thing that's fucking retarded is assuming every warrior would have Chromatic, Ony Neck, Don Julios, Onslaught and Marshal's PvP legs to add up to 5 or past it just because they had a Drake Fang Talisman.

But yeh, you're right, lose 36 AP, +2% Hit and +1% dodge for 2% to gain another attack, rofl.

I'm fucking retarded.

[Anduryondon]

Soulless, I was refering to keboman's post:


I was talking about changing the Blackhand's for HOJ, trading out the Drakefang one would be retarded.

As Uro stated, it's about consistancy (DFT + BHB) while maintaining a reasonable amount of burst dps (crusader).
Isnt 33% crit enough constistancy to go for hoj?

[onyx]

it's preference. I crit almost every damn swing, why would I want to give up my currents stats for 2% extra attack trinket when I have WINDFURY.

[Anduryondon]

because hoj could procc wf and wf could procc hoj? But yeah, one xtra swing would be enough burst dmg.
So lets drop windfury and its a matchup without a shaman, imho the 2% burst dmg are than much better than 2% xtra crit, because crusader is not comparable with an xtra swing

[Soulless]

[...]I'm fucking retarded.

At least you admit it.


Edit: So you are saying that your guild is able to clear BWL up to ebonroc, firemaw or whichever dragon DFT drops of, but is to retarded to kill onyxia or rag?

[khan3817]

And you're saying if whoever you raid with has the ability to obtain said gear then it should be by default equipped on every warrior that ever attended a single raid in those instances?

I mean there aren't like, outside factors that decide and in some way affect distribution of loot like DKP and luck of the draw on drops?

Right.

[Dunderdon]

[...]I'm fucking retarded.

At least you admit it.


Edit: So you are saying that your guild is able to clear BWL up to ebonroc, firemaw or whichever dragon DFT drops of, but is to retarded to kill onyxia or rag?

i dont really want to start a discussion about this but if the profile in your signature is really yours and up to date i dont think you have earned the right to argue here

[Xaos]

WTF, Shadowcraft?!?

[Soulless]

And you're saying if whoever you raid with has the ability to obtain said gear then it should be by default equipped on every warrior that ever attended a single raid in those instances?

That's exactly what I'm saying, because...


I mean there aren't like, outside factors that decide and in some way affect distribution of loot like DKP and luck of the draw on drops?

Right.

Things like loot distribution, DKP and/or luck of the draw only mean that'll take a while long for some to get the items, but eventually they will get them and when they have them then it's just a matter of personal preference if they take DFT over HOJ or not.

And I'd rather take the unpredictable burstdmg of HOJ then ~10 dmg per hit more through DFT.

As I already agreed with others it's most properbly just personal preference.





[...]I'm fucking retarded.

At least you admit it.


Edit: So you are saying that your guild is able to clear BWL up to ebonroc, firemaw or whichever dragon DFT drops of, but is to retarded to kill onyxia or rag?

i dont really want to start a discussion about this but if the profile in your signature is really yours and up to date i dont think you have earned the right to argue here

Since when do I have to run MC/BWL/ZG 24/7 to earn the right to argue about whichever trinket is best?


Edit:

WTF, Shadowcraft?!?

I'll take what I can get.

[Dunderdon]

Since when do I have to run MC/BWL/ZG 24/7 to earn the right to argue about whichever trinket is best?


........

try going for painweavers first...
and plz at least a crown of tyranny!!!

[Soulless]

Since when do I have to run MC/BWL/ZG 24/7 to earn the right to argue about whichever trinket is best?


........

try going for painweavers first...
and plz at least a crown of tyranny!!!

I ask again, what has the fact that I don't run MC/BWL/ZG 24/7 has to with my right to argue on this topic.


And you attempt to flame me because my equip sucks was mediocre at best.

[Otzo]

Since when do I have to run MC/BWL/ZG 24/7 to earn the right to argue about whichever trinket is best?


........

try going for painweavers first...
and plz at least a crown of tyranny!!!

Whats so bad that he doesn't have a warrior full of epics? he knows what hes talking about, he knows how to argue well enough to show good points and such, sheesh it doesn't mean if the guy hasn't gotten Zin/Spinal/somewtfpwn weapon or shitloads of epic armor that hes the most knowledgeable (sp?) warrior around. :P

[Nozerac]

Whats so bad that he doesn't have a warrior full of epics? he knows what hes talking about, he knows how to argue well enough to show good points and such, sheesh it doesn't mean if the guy hasn't gotten Zin/Spinal/somewtfpwn weapon or shitloads of epic armor that hes the most knowledgeable (sp?) warrior around. :P

QFT. I know of a few fully epic geared warriors who don't even know what AP is good for.

[dr_AllCOM3]

QFT. I know of a few fully epic geared warriors who don't even know what AP is good for.
so true :/

[Busan]

u shud get beastslayor +2 or +7 if ur rich

[Dunderdon]

i know it is stupid to argue like that but the way you "flamed" people who have obviously been playing their warriors for quite some time now, was imho just ridiculous.
for example:

Are you fucking retarded?............

imho that's like a high school student telling a top-manager: "you are fucking retarded and dont know how to do your job!"
i know this comparison sucks but i wasnt able to come up with anything else :P

[Soulless]

i know it is stupid to argue like that but the way you "flamed" people who have obviously been playing their warriors for quite some time now, was imho just ridiculous.
for example:

Are you fucking retarded?............

imho that's like a high school student telling a top-manager: "you are fucking retarded and dont know how to do your job!"
i know this comparison sucks but i wasnt able to come up with anything else :P

Read the post to whom I replied, it was equally agressive towards me and so I answered in kind.

And what if someone else played his warrior longer then I played mine? I have 30 days played on my Warrior, about 40-50 on another warrior before i made mine and I also talk every day with other warriorplayers.

So I should have the same right to argue about this like everyone else.



P.S.: And your comparison was shit. :| (no offense)

[Otzo]

Yeah didn't you have a tauren warrior or something before you rerolled as UD? :P Anyways gear really doesn't make any warrior better then anyone else and such, hell some warriors even say "lol why would that be good for warriors, its mail" when i say "crown of tyranny/destruction is a good helm for warriors :P

[Anduryondon]

and the non warriors say why do you roll on non plate items if you can wear plate -_-

[Apocalyptica]

best enchant ?

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/3852/omg2te.th.jpg (http://img52.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omg2te.jpg)

[Anduryondon]

"Beste Verzauberung" ~_~

[Apocalyptica]

sry 4 double post

[Soruss]

A guy on our server had +4 frost damage (or something like that) on his thunderfury for the longest time. It was a joke.

Anyway, I'd take hoj with sword spec, and BHB with axe spec. However, since I'm mace with a TUF then I'll just cry in a corner.

[The Arc]

A guy on our server had +4 frost damage (or something like that) on his thunderfury for the longest time. It was a joke.

Anyway, I'd take hoj with sword spec, and BHB with axe spec. However, since I'm mace with a TUF then I'll just cry in a corner.

/sympathize

[Mylar]

hows this for streaky RNG?

http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot9ph.jpg

[Kaeto]

Random means random, not "even distribution over any sample size".

[Soruss]

I haven't noticed the random numbers for combat to be streaky at all. Every now and then I get a good several crits in a row, or bad string of misses/else. But it's definitely not one way or the other. I think people just notice when things streak as opposed to when they're following the expected percentages.

However... I've heard that most guilds seem to get a repeat of the same loot all the time. *shrugs*

[Mylar]

Random means random, not "even distribution over any sample size".

ye ok, i just took onyx's term and applied it on this streaky thingy ^^

(busted :oops: )