I'm thinking of starting a mage..is it such a pain ?

[kc0716]

Is it such a pain to have to sit down for water every 2-3 mobs? I remember making a mage when WoW beta started and I loved everything except being so weak (against melee hits) and drinking.

I've seen some mages do amazing AoE stuff..But I just want to know how it is at lvl 60 since Ive never been there myself.

I'm in a new server Azhara..and almost no one has more than couple of epics (most 60s all have blue items) so this could mean mages wont get raped as much by epic geared out hunters and other mage's archenemies right?

I just want to know how nurfed thinks about mages.. I might just roll a druid or shaman if it's not worth it.

[Rak]

I think most mages are the whiniest bitches ever, only second to paladins regarding 1.9.

While there is a point to be made regarding their survability in PvP and general caster itemization, these guys somehow manage to be the biggest hypocrites regarding their damage in regard to everyone else. 2k+ Mortal Strikes and 2k+ Aimed Shots are the norm, but the 2500 frostbolts crits are SOOO rare and should neeeeever be used as an argument that mages can be equally scary when played and geared properly. I've been on the giving end of Mortal Strikes, and receiving end of both Aimed Shots and Frostbolts and I always catch myself smiling on an MS crit, and frowning on AS/FB crits and I really don't feel like going to the boards screaming BUFF WARRIORS NOW NERF MAGES or w/e. Maybe it's just 'cause I'm used to dieing as a warrior?

I generally have to sit down every couple of mobs as well to eat so my health goes back up, and at least my food doesn't come free as a class perk. Being weak vs melee is the con of the class and you've been given plenty of options to prevent this from happening, or escape from it.

However, it's not my kind of class and I doubt I'll ever level one because of it (altho I am looking forward to playing a Blood Elf 'lock, rawrr). So I'll leave the rest of the discussion up to actual mage players :)

[RubiksCube]

Well, the point that MS Crits and Aimed Shot Crits are more common that those 2.5k frostbolts is that the Critical Strike Chance of some warriors and hunters is >30% while the spell crit chance for mages is not so high, especially when they gear towards spelldamage.

[Faytte]

Imagine being a rogue with them MS and aimed shot crits. You neither get the big numbers of hunters/warriors in pvp or the range of mages. We get stealth, which can just about be worthless in pvp recently. Charge/MS is less elegant but gets the point delievered without having to sneak around traps and worry about AOE's breaking you out of hiding.

[silic0sis]

MS really doesnt crit for 2k+ often at all
a 2k+ ms crit is pretty rare.

[Rak]

MS really doesnt crit for 2k+ often at all
a 2k+ ms crit is pretty rare.

That was my point as well. People just tend to remember seeing the big numbers flash up as 3/4 of their health falls away, not the 400/500 ms hits I usually get :(

I can understand how daunting it must be to see your healthbar drop from green to 2 mm's of red in a few seconds, but this screaming of always getting critted for ridiculous 4 digit numbers is getting on my nerves. Yes, if I get and keep you in my 5 yard range, you will feel the pain. Try and keep to the 35 other yards where I'm completely useless and stop crying instead. God knows, Blizzard gave you plenty of options to get away. SO what if you get an unlucky resist? You think I like missing my executes, overpowers, mortal strikes or seeing those much-needed hits parried/dodged?

[silic0sis]

MS really doesnt crit for 2k+ often at all
a 2k+ ms crit is pretty rare.

That was my point as well. People just tend to remember seeing the big numbers flash up as 3/4 of their health falls away, not the 400/500 ms hits I usually get :(

I can understand how daunting it must be to see your healthbar drop from green to 2 mm's of red in a few seconds, but this screaming of always getting critted for ridiculous 4 digit numbers is getting on my nerves. Yes, if I get and keep you in my 5 yard range, you will feel the pain. Try and keep to the 35 other yards where I'm completely useless and stop crying instead. God knows, Blizzard gave you plenty of options to get away. SO what if you get an unlucky resist? You think I like missing my executes, overpowers, mortal strikes or seeing those much-needed hits parried/dodged?

yea, im so sick of other classes crying about warriors critting them for 2k

truth: if i intercept u, and i have rage, and ure stunned for 3 secs and ure a cloth class, MS, WW, normal hit, maybe a sword proc, maybe 1-2 crits and execute, ure gonna die

[dNa]

MS really doesnt crit for 2k+ often at all
a 2k+ ms crit is pretty rare.

That was my point as well. People just tend to remember seeing the big numbers flash up as 3/4 of their health falls away, not the 400/500 ms hits I usually get :(

I can understand how daunting it must be to see your healthbar drop from green to 2 mm's of red in a few seconds, but this screaming of always getting critted for ridiculous 4 digit numbers is getting on my nerves. Yes, if I get and keep you in my 5 yard range, you will feel the pain. Try and keep to the 35 other yards where I'm completely useless and stop crying instead. God knows, Blizzard gave you plenty of options to get away. SO what if you get an unlucky resist? You think I like missing my executes, overpowers, mortal strikes or seeing those much-needed hits parried/dodged?

yea, im so sick of other classes crying about warriors critting them for 2k

truth: if i intercept u, and i have rage, and ure stunned for 3 secs and ure a cloth class, MS, WW, normal hit, maybe a sword proc, maybe 1-2 crits and execute, ure gonna die

What if i tell you that enraged Wars get 3k crits with ms if untamed procceds ? : P
And well everybody saw that aq40 axe we will see commen 3k ms crits there, its axe specc so its like >20% if not 30% crit rate ...

About mages i just have to say that if you have both trinkets and arcane might 2.5k or 3k is pretty normal :X

On servers where mc is on farmstatus and where nef is down 10+times you will face a lot of those 2k-3k hits and thats why i think damage should be generally lower for all classes in pvp.. I dont think that blizzard knows what they are doing i mean new spells shadow bolt rank 10 free +50 dmg ? I guess soon i will one hit ppl with my lock..
Well lets see what blizzard will do in 1.1 for all those whining priests : )

[Sypher]

coming from someone who has lvl'd both a mage and a warrior to 60.. ill say this:

Mage is an easy leveling class, straight forward and extremely fast if you have a priest friend to AE with.

Solo leveling a mage (which is what i did up to 45ish) is extremely boring. Ontop of that, I felt that being a mage at lvl 60 wasn't exactly what I was hoping. I was hoping to be on top dmg wise and being able to dish out consistant, high dmg; however, that is completely wrong. Not only are mages extremely frusturating to gear (balancing stam/int/spell dmg/crit), but once you do got 200+ dmg stacked, you can't use it to its full potential in instances because of no aggro wipe(unless you count iceblock, but that isnt a complete aggro wipe, mob just goes to the person below you on the hate list).

PvP as a mage isnt exactly what i was hoping for either. When playing against skilled players, you will never be able to hold still for the full frostbolt/fireball cast.. melee's will be in your face because you are squishy and die fast if standing still. I find myself to be more of a distraction in PvP on my mage than a dmg class. All I do is poly to interrupt paladin 2.5 heals and kite warriors/rogues while i watch my warriors dps everything down in seconds.

Also keep in mind that unless blizzard is completely crazy, the 2 best items that help mages will be nerfed soon or later (toep/zhc)

I enjoy my warrior a lot more, lvling was slow to 40, but then i respec'd MS and kept my gear up with funding from my mage. Downtime for a war is a lot less if you use first aid, and your killrate is pretty good as well.

In all honesty I would consider rolling a shaman/druid over a mage. Druid being the best candidate because of the probable lack of druids on your server(druids are boring to level from what i hear).

on the flip side, I know mages that love their class to death and enjoy it day in and day out.. so who knows, maybe being a mage is for you. :shock:

hope this helped ~_~

[Murrough]

Well I had this whole long post set up but didn't finish it yet so I wasn't going to post it till tommorow. Basicaly, Sypher hit the nail on the head for me, especially not being able to be much more than a distraciton in pvp while others do the dps work. I had more fun on my priest and if I had the choice I would have rolled something other than a mage.. anything. But I'm too lazy to level a new toon so I'm just going to stay with the mage.

[wargh]

I never had a 2k+ MS. Thats utter Bullshit. Maybe buffed to the top with all that crazy shit there is. I would say 1.5 - 1.6 MS Crits are nice. The point is a Mage has enough Spells to keep a warrior at range. Whining mages are those who are too noob to do that. Thus they get crushed by Warriors - their own fault. To these mages i say: Get your Talentbuild right, practice a while and you'll be fine. Oh yeah and you still MIGHT loose to a warrior, oh noes!

[Sypher]

I never had a 2k+ MS. Thats utter Bullshit. Maybe buffed to the top with all that crazy shit there is. I would say 1.5 - 1.6 MS Crits are nice. The point is a Mage has enough Spells to keep a warrior at range. Whining mages are those who are too noob to do that. Thus they get crushed by Warriors - their own fault. To these mages i say: Get your Talentbuild right, practice a while and you'll be fine. Oh yeah and you still MIGHT loose to a warrior, oh noes!

I don't think anyone is saying htat mages lose to warriors 1v1, what is being discussed is their overall dmg/utility in group pvp.

[Soulless]

I never had a 2k+ MS. Thats utter Bullshit. Maybe buffed to the top with all that crazy shit there is. I would say 1.5 - 1.6 MS Crits are nice.[...]

I get 1.8k-2k enraged MSCrits all the time, only with battleshout and rather shitty gear.

[keboman]

I never had a 2k+ MS. Thats utter Bullshit. Maybe buffed to the top with all that crazy shit there is. I would say 1.5 - 1.6 MS Crits are nice.[...]

I get 1.8k-2k enraged MSCrits all the time, only with battleshout and rather shitty gear.

I get 1.6-1.8k MS crit with enrage and half my gear is green.

[Murrough]

I never had a 2k+ MS. Thats utter Bullshit. Maybe buffed to the top with all that crazy shit there is. I would say 1.5 - 1.6 MS Crits are nice. The point is a Mage has enough Spells to keep a warrior at range. Whining mages are those who are too noob to do that. Thus they get crushed by Warriors - their own fault. To these mages i say: Get your Talentbuild right, practice a while and you'll be fine. Oh yeah and you still MIGHT loose to a warrior, oh noes!

I don't think anyone is saying htat mages lose to warriors 1v1, what is being discussed is their overall dmg/utility in group pvp.

[silic0sis]

And well everybody saw that aq40 axe we will see commen 3k ms crits there, its axe specc so its like >20% if not 30% crit rate ...

no way man
i rarely ms for 2k
granted, my weapon is shit and has low topend dmg
and most of my gear is crap and easily obtainable

[keboman]

Well with straight DPS gear someone could have almost 200atk over what you have.. so probably around ~2200 MS crit with the new axe?

edit: actually ~1350+ with BS is doable with current gear.. with over 5k hp o_0 damn I wish I was in an uber guild ;)

[Sypher]

my highest MS on my war with: http://www.wowguru.com/db/chars/id630744/ = http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2300ms3yr.jpg

that was with diamond flask/bs/crusader, so i don tthink 3k MS's would be all that hard if you had bwl/aq gear.

[silic0sis]

my highest is around ~2.5k
with buffs pots

doesnt change the fact that critting for 2k+ is very rare

[keboman]

Why do you say that? I could easily see regular 2k MSs with the right gear and enrage, there's no magic to it.

[silic0sis]

take screenshot of your dps thingie, u know the one that shows your max MS crit and avarage MS crit and stuff, after u pvp for a day
i bet your avarage ms crit will be around 1.2k or less
and your highest will be around 1.7k

[keboman]

Well sure. The assumption seemed to be on a cloth target though, but whatever.

[Nozerac]

I think the mage class is very static and boring at the moment. In PvP, you are the annoyance mentioned earlier, you can ofc stand in the AV zerg and pummel people with bolts but how fun is that? In world PvP you never have time to cast, just kite around and use instant casts basically. In PvE our role is, like most others, a bit boring and tedious. However, hunters, rogues and warriors have autoattack, they can chill out a bit on trash etc, while you have to sit there and press your frostbolt button over and over and over and over again, and yet you do pathetic dps compared to the other dps classes. I rolled mage for the supposed damage, which is nonexistant, unless you have both the shittrinkets, +450 spelldamage aside from that, and AP. I could have stayed with my mage and gotten that gear, but IMO the class is not worth gearing up tbh. Sooner or later they will nerf ap/zhc/toep combo, and mages will be back at their regular suckage again. Instead I lvld a rogue to 57 before realizing that it wasn't my cup of tea, and now my warrior is lvl 50 and going strong. I play dual wield fury though, for the moment. I'll see if I respec back to ms again, it's a more dull playstyle imo.

Oh, did I forget to mention the horrible amount of time wasted every single raid by baking crystal water for 2313417624 ppl?

[arch]

Oh, did I forget to mention the horrible amount of time wasted every single raid by baking crystal water for 2313417624 ppl?

How do you bake water?

[Nozerac]

Good question. :P
I like saying bake water instead of make water, me and my friends have always called it that. It's abit more fun in swedish tho, baka vatten.

[arch]

Sjukt roligt.