Rebirth of the Warrior-Class? (Raid-Video inside)

[Sar]

i´d like to ask you guys around here what you are thinking of this video.

Link, and alternate link: video is about 100MB
- http://www.culex1.de/Onyxia.Raid.Movie.rar
- http://www.clan-sf.de/ava/Onyxia.Raid.Movie.rar

it was recorded last weekend on the european beta PvP-server, showing an onyxia-raid. EU-beta is actually the same game as the US-retail.

ok, they got smashed by her in the end. but this is not the deal.

its awsome to see how the main warrior (named "panik" http://www.thottbot.com/?profile=Panik.PvP_Server ) can hold aggro of the onyxia warders and onyxia herself, while 20 mages fire their missils and doing lots more damage.

if u watch the video, u see how much the warrior (tank) is needed/usefull in the endgame. and he has no problems holding the aggro. i like to see this.

how can one single warriors generate more threat than 30 mages, priests, whatever which are also in the fight?

i heard that ablilties like demo-shout and sunder-armor will work very got to hold aggro now. have u made the same experiences (while tanking) in the us-retail?

greets,
Sar

[Lustt]

ok. might state a few blatantly obvious facts here but there we go.

The mage`s agro is calculated individually, therefore although the 30 of them might be putting in HUGE damage individually it is generating less aggro than the warrior. Also the warrior is probably taking such massive damage from the mob's then he is able to just spam abilities to keep aggro on himself waiting on timers rather than rage - as indalamar had when he found fighting 3+ mobs at a time in fact making tanking easier.

Cheers for the link. ill get downloading now ;P

sorry if i was stating things you already knew.

[Sar]

thx Lustt,
u might be right with the rage generation, the warrior (panik) hat always lots of rage, sometimes the full bar is red. i think his cooldown-timer is the limiting factor.

in the past, and since the last patch a lot of people complaining about the "role" of the warrior. in the video u see one warrior playing the most important part in a 36people-raid.

we won´t to be uber, but we want to be a usefull class in World of Warcraft. seeing this, makes me happy. maybe there is a light at the end of the tunnel :D

[Lustt]

absolutely is :] i think the warrior still has to make a few steps backwards before they can actually finish the class, might not happen for a while, but with a good, experienced group who know their Aggro limit [unfortunately you have to wipe a few times before u realise how much aggro u can generate without making the warrior obselete. Panik did a good job in that, and i think it was a caster who pulled the aggro when other things spawned by getting a bit excited. bit of inexperience coming in there, should have just given the warrior a second to get over to it.

But yer in general the warrior, if taking enough damage can usually hold the aggro, to what extent i dont know, but at least there still essential in groups.

[Anonymous]

Hm essential for horde yes ! SOme friends finished upper spire a few times with a pally as tank
Sadly its not the rebirth but there is still hope imo :)=
Id like to know the Talent Build from this guy.

My best suggestion ever : Rend should stack ! Normal Rend DoT over 1minute Second Rend doubles Dot effect time drops time 10-20s third Rend add more dam and drops time again.

[Lustt]

well yer sure, pally's have the same armour, and in instances like scholomance they can probably use all theri anti-UD seals/aura's to hold aggro on the UD better than a warrior, but in general warrior is more effective, and if it ever gets fixed it will be much more effective

[Anonymous]

Warrior SHOULD be more effective. Pally have great def talents and with devo they scare me :).
Right now a defense spec = punishment .
With a main def spec warriors should be the best tanks by far . Right now blizz punishes players that like a defensive style but i dont think they will change it sadly.
P.S rage isnt the problem when ur in def stance . ANd against onyxia the main tank attacks her for a while to build aggro and only receives lesser heals. Then dps classes start to attack until warrior gives the command to stop

[Anonymous]

50pally wins versus 57 warrior from europe forums !
Pally used all skills ( loh, and shields ) but 7lvls higher ROFL !



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[Doodle]

well both are melee and one of them can heal, its not so suprising the pally wins.. i think he is meant to do that

[Poison]

omg i want that guys talent build !! :shock:

[Anonymous]

I guess arms fury :)

[RushEm]

Ok, i am on that server, and friend of mine did organize the onyxia-raid.
The Key that Panic could hold the aggro, was that all the priest/shams/druids did only use low lvl heal spells, and the mages only nuked with breaks between there spells.
They had different groups for Healing purposes, so that one group could regen while the other was healing.
Problem was onyxias knockback attack, and the panic that occured while the dragonspawns spawnd.
I am not quite sure, but i think some one in the left healing group got aggro and so onyxias AoE killed nearly the whole group with an instan 4 k dmg spell.

Well, i think u can imagine the rest.

There will be soon more trys :)

[Anonymous]

ask panik for his spec ! thx

[Daikyu]

Some players consider their specs private property, you should respect that. :P

I was going to say try and figure it out from the video, but I don't think the video gives too many hints away. Should watch and see how long shield block lasts, though I think it only lasted him one hit in any case, so he probably isn't speced to improved shield block.

[Anonymous]

do u know panik ?