Zin'rokh vs Spinal

[Shivan]

I'll have the option of getting spinal as an upgrade to my zin'rokh soon, granted it drops before bonereaver's or untamed. My question is which would you use? Spinal or Zin'rokh? and if Spinal drops before either of the two aforementioned should I take it, or hold out for bonereaver's/untamed, whichever drops first?

[alcaras]

spinal's proc is hard to beat for pvp

spinal > zr for pvp just 'cause of that proc

utb > either of them because of its proc


1. ashkandi
2. utb
3. spinal
4. bonereaver
5. zinrokh

[arch]

Don't forget rank 14 sword/axe.

[twilight]

what about drake talon cleaver? nice damage and stats + good speed and a 240 dmg wound proc (that can crit?)

[duds]

spinal's proc is hard to beat for pvp

spinal > zr for pvp just 'cause of that proc

utb > either of them because of its proc


1. ashkandi
2. utb
3. spinal
4. bonereaver
5. zinrokh

Zinrokh is better than a spinal even with the sword spec nerf.

Excluding rank 14 weapons... the list should look like this:

1. Ashkandi
2. Untamed
3. Zinrokh

ATM there aren't any good axes beside the rank 14 one.

[duds]

I'll have the option of getting spinal as an upgrade to my zin'rokh soon, granted it drops before bonereaver's or untamed. My question is which would you use? Spinal or Zin'rokh? and if Spinal drops before either of the two aforementioned should I take it, or hold out for bonereaver's/untamed, whichever drops first?

Wait for an untamed.

[Fervent]

Zinrokh is better than a spinal even with the sword spec nerf.

Excluding rank 14 weapons... the list should look like this:

1. Ashkandi
2. Untamed
3. Zinrokh

ATM there aren't any good axes beside the rank 14 one.

/sign


Axes are teh suxZ0r when a sword has an equal top end. Not to mention the swords look much better.

Also, everybody stop saying Sword Spec is getting nerfed in patch ... its not, for warrior it is almost unchanged.

[KingKapalone]

I don't understand why people can't come to a general concensus on this SS change/not-change.

[alcaras]

I don't understand why people can't come to a general concensus on this SS change/not-change.

The changes are (in so far as I can make them out, please correct me if I'm wrong):
1. 6%->5%
2. No procs off of non-damaging procs; no Sword Spec off of Windfury; however, Sword Spec off of Sword Spec is still good to go.

I'd personally take ZR over SR, but that's because I <3 Sword Spec. Some people swear by SR's proc in PvP. <shrug>

[dela]

1) cannot chain proc swords/hoj/windfury anymore
2) only 5%
3) It resets your swing timer, so you dont really get an "extra" attack.. you just attack a little sooner.



what about drake talon cleaver?

[The Arc]

1) cannot chain proc swords/hoj/windfury anymore
2) only 5%
3) It resets your swing timer, so you dont really get an "extra" attack.. you just attack a little sooner.



what about drake talon cleaver?

Concerning #3, it only resets your swing timer if it procs off of an attack other than your default attack. It doesn't reset your default swing if it procs off of it because the proc is instant.

[khan3817]

I don't understand why people can't come to a general concensus on this SS change/not-change.

The changes are (in so far as I can make them out, please correct me if I'm wrong):
1. 6%->5%
2. No procs off of non-damaging procs; no Sword Spec off of Windfury; however, Sword Spec off of Sword Spec is still good to go.

I'd personally take ZR over SR, but that's because I <3 Sword Spec. Some people swear by SR's proc in PvP. <shrug>

I swear by it.

[Snake]

I realy dont understand why everbody here takes UTB so high. To rely on a procc is so noobish...

I will choose Drake Talon Cleaver >>> Untamed Blade.

Gimme a movie where a warrior uses UTB and it proccs once every fight! Then i would decide for UTB.

...
...
a) Zin'Rokh
b) Spinal Reaper
c) Drake Talon Cleaver
d) Bonreaver's Edge
..
..
..
x) The Untamed Blade
y) Obisidian Edged Blade
z) Arcanite Reaper

[HellCry]

1) cannot chain proc swords/hoj/windfury anymore
2) only 5%
3) It resets your swing timer, so you dont really get an "extra" attack.. you just attack a little sooner.



what about drake talon cleaver?

1) I heard it still can (and seen screens of timestamped logs from 1.9 beta), no double procs from Hs or cleave though, or procs from other procs like TF, fiery enchant, rogue poisons

2) It always was in the game files, the 6% was a display error

3) It has always worked this way and works this way now, no change at all here.

[Soulless]

I realy dont understand why everbody here takes UTB so high. To rely on a procc is so noobish...

I will choose Drake Talon Cleaver >>> Untamed Blade.

Gimme a movie where a warrior uses UTB and it proccs once every fight! Then i would decide for UTB.

...
...
a) Zin'Rokh
b) Spinal Reaper
c) Drake Talon Cleaver
d) Bonreaver's Edge
..
..
..
x) The Untamed Blade
y) Obisidian Edged Blade
z) Arcanite Reaper

Your list is retarded.

[Snake]

Your list is retarded.

I love those nice arguments posts...hang on!

PS: I dont rate proccs in this list, u can decide for yourself which procc is the best.

[Soulless]

Your list is retarded.

I love those nice arguments posts...hang on!

PS: I dont rate proccs in this list, u can decide for yourself which procc is the best.

It's simple.

First of all you forgot Ashkandi, which should be #1, you also forgot the PvP-Rewards which should be right after Ashkandi, further more is your comment about "relying on procs is noobish" equally constructive.

[Snake]

It's simple.

First of all you forgot Ashkandi, which should be #1, you also forgot the PvP-Rewards which should be right after Ashkandi, further more is your comment about "relying on procs is noobish" equally constructive.

omfg, i thought i would be obvious that "..." means theres somthing above etc.

And if you choose a weapon bcuz of the procc, which isn guaranted in every fight, then you're just "retarded". And UTB is without procc ridiculous.

EDIT:
Here is the hole list just for you!

It's taken from Sar's damage calc (http://sardaukar.nullsaftnetz.de/Sar_Damage-Rechner.xls).

1. Dark Edge of Insanity
2. Ashkandi
3. Rank 14 2h
4. Sulfuras (YEAH, i know that mace specc sux, but the max dmg of the weapon is makeing it usefull)
5. Barb of the Sand Reaver
6. Kalimdor's Revenge
7. Zin'Rokh
8. Spinal Reaper
9. Drake Talon Cleaber
10. Bonereaver's Edge
11. Draconic Maul
12. TUF
13. Manslayer of the Quiraji
14. UTB (non-procc)
15. Obisidan Edged Blade
16. Arcanite Reaper

[Soulless]

It's simple.

First of all you forgot Ashkandi, which should be #1, you also forgot the PvP-Rewards which should be right after Ashkandi, further more is your comment about "relying on procs is noobish" equally constructive.

omfg, i thought i would be obvious that "..." means theres somthing above etc.

And if you choose a weapon bcuz of the procc, which isn guaranted in every fight, then you're just "retarded". And UTB is without procc ridiculous.

EDIT:
Here is the hole list just for you!

It's taken from Sar's damage calc (http://sardaukar.nullsaftnetz.de/Sar_Damage-Rechner.xls).

1. Dark Edge of Insanity
2. Ashkandi
3. Rank 14 2h
4. Sulfuras (YEAH, i know that mace specc sux, but the max dmg of the weapon is makeing it usefull)
5. Barb of the Sand Reaver
6. Kalimdor's Revenge
7. Zin'Rokh
8. Spinal Reaper
9. Drake Talon Cleaber
10. Bonereaver's Edge
11. Draconic Maul
12. TUF
13. Manslayer of the Quiraji
14. UTB (non-procc)
15. Obisidan Edged Blade
16. Arcanite Reaper

Well normally when someone writes:


[...]a) Zin'Rokh
b) Spinal Reaper
c) Drake Talon Cleaver
d) Bonreaver's Edge
..
..
..
x) The Untamed Blade
y) Obisidian Edged Blade
z) Arcanite Reaper

Then I think that's all there is, because I don't know any letter above A.

And seriously, if you dismiss a weapon as shit just because it has a proc, then the retard is you.

[Devilnaut]

Unpredictable burst damage is great in pvp because defense relies on predictability... so procs are pretty nice I reckon.

[Snake]

Unpredictable burst damage is great in pvp because defense relies on predictability... so procs are pretty nice I reckon.

I agree with that, but i dont take a weapon over another just because it CAN procc.

And i didnt said that UTB is shit, its still better then OEB an AR(non-procced !!). :P

[epileptic]

untamed procs about as much as crusader so the proc is worth considering

[Sar]

a procced UTB will even outdamage the DarkEdgeOfInsanity for about 40dmg.
if you guys have any idea how to calculate this, to make a ranking for my little calculator, let me know it.
i also have found no way to calculate/rank dmg-proccs or crit-rate on weapons.

[wargh]

I passed on Spinal last MC Run and i own the ZinRok. I think its a waste of DKP even if you're not running BWL. I dont even know if i should spend DKP on untamed or if i should just wait for ashkandi. And personally, i really like the style of the Drake Talon Cleaver, it doenst even have so bad stats. Plus the proc can crit and proc from itself.

[khan3817]

Just get what you can take, the DKP strategizing never works out.

[wargh]

Just get what you can take, the DKP strategizing never works out.

I guess you are right :D

[Shivan]

well, just an update, I took some of your's advice (the DKP ones didn't really help cuz we do a loot council) and I held out for Untamed and just got it tonight on a near flawless Razor kill after doing Ony and a full MC clear. I'm stoked! Can't wait to try it out tomorrow in the BGs ;)

[nope]

while comparing items here i need help with wich to use of
using eskahandar atm

Eskhandar's Pelt
Binds when picked up
Unique
Back
51 Armor
+20 Stamina
Requires Level 60
Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 1%.
Set: Spirit of Eskhandar (1/4)
Sells for 2 Gold 73 Silver 70 Copper to vendors
Item Level 66


and

Deathguard's Cloak
Binds when picked up
Back
50 Armor
+5 Agility
+11 Stamina
Requires Level 60
Requires The Defilers - Exalted
Equip: +34 Attack Power.
Sells for 2 Gold 63 Silver 53 Copper to vendors
Item Level 65

[Dunderdon]

hard decision
depends on your AP/crit

i'd be wearing deathguards

but that is just because i LOVE AP :P (well who doesnt)

guess what i am wearing on my wrist at the moment? Wristguards of Stability!! :P
Leather Bracers from MC
with +7 str they add 62 AP

[HellCry]

while comparing items here i need help with wich to use of
using eskahandar atm

Eskhandar's Pelt
Binds when picked up
Unique
Back
51 Armor
+20 Stamina
Requires Level 60
Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 1%.
Set: Spirit of Eskhandar (1/4)
Sells for 2 Gold 73 Silver 70 Copper to vendors
Item Level 66


and

Deathguard's Cloak
Binds when picked up
Back
50 Armor
+5 Agility
+11 Stamina
Requires Level 60
Requires The Defilers - Exalted
Equip: +34 Attack Power.
Sells for 2 Gold 63 Silver 53 Copper to vendors
Item Level 65

Puissant ftw imo

[BarryManilow]

untamed fury procs a good amount more than crusader (which really seems to have gotten a stealth nerf on the procrate - 5/138 swings one day lol)

i out dps/kill another warrior in the guild w/ a drake talon, despite the fact im 31/5/15.

untamed will suit me fine till i get one of the AQ weps....ashkandi would be nice but our hunter is going to get it :(

as for capes, eshkanders stinks. i like my current one from the slith boss. ez to get, and excellent balance. like a buffed stoneskin

Windshear Cape
Binds when picked up
Back
50 Armor
+8 Strength
+15 Agility
+14 Stamina
+7 Intellect

[Soruss]

4. Sulfuras (YEAH, i know that mace specc sux, but the max dmg of the weapon is makeing it usefull)


Mace spec doesn't suck now. I'd still say axe/pole/sword are better, but mace spec is definitely worth putting points into.

[Rak]

untamed will suit me fine till i get one of the AQ weps....ashkandi would be nice but our hunter is going to get it :(


Wait, what?

[Soruss]

untamed will suit me fine till i get one of the AQ weps....ashkandi would be nice but our hunter is going to get it :(


Wait, what?

My sentiments exactly. DKP ... 4tl.

[Otzo]

"lol"

[BarryManilow]

dont get me started, the whole thing is a fiasco.

we have an open bid/ffa system, and since hunters pretty much have zero competition and a class epic handed to them, hes hoarded far more dkp than any warrior

he has a zinrokh and claims its a huge upgrade...im convinced he wants to be the first hunter on any server (i think) to have ashkandi, just as a showpiece

[wargh]

dont get me started, the whole thing is a fiasco.

we have an open bid/ffa system, and since hunters pretty much have zero competition and a class epic handed to them, hes hoarded far more dkp than any warrior

he has a zinrokh and claims its a huge upgrade...im convinced he wants to be the first hunter on any server (i think) to have ashkandi, just as a showpiece

You got an earthshaker? Oo

[sokkeh]

dont get me started, the whole thing is a fiasco.

we have an open bid/ffa system, and since hunters pretty much have zero competition and a class epic handed to them, hes hoarded far more dkp than any warrior

he has a zinrokh and claims its a huge upgrade...im convinced he wants to be the first hunter on any server (i think) to have ashkandi, just as a showpiece

tell him he wont be the first one on any server..... seen quite a few hunters with it allready

[BarryManilow]

You got an earthshaker? Oo

yes its quite fun to use in AB at times, good to knock all the flag huggers down :) it was nearly free

ahh good to know other hunters have the ashkandi (i guess?!)

[Traumatize]

dont get me started, the whole thing is a fiasco.

we have an open bid/ffa system, and since hunters pretty much have zero competition and a class epic handed to them, hes hoarded far more dkp than any warrior

he has a zinrokh and claims its a huge upgrade...im convinced he wants to be the first hunter on any server (i think) to have ashkandi, just as a showpiece

Hm can't see how a hunter would even be allowed to bid on Ashkandi if a warrior needed it. Different guilds, different rules, I suppose.

[BarryManilow]

stupid guild rules? alot of hunter officers? infants threatening to gquit if its not a complete ffa system? i could go on and on...we re gonna be the laughing stock of Illidan ill tell you that tho

[Ferlucii]

dont get me started, the whole thing is a fiasco.

we have an open bid/ffa system, and since hunters pretty much have zero competition and a class epic handed to them, hes hoarded far more dkp than any warrior

he has a zinrokh and claims its a huge upgrade...im convinced he wants to be the first hunter on any server (i think) to have ashkandi, just as a showpiece

tell him he wont be the first one on any server..... seen quite a few hunters with it allready
Here's one on our server: http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-magtheridon-en&t=10666&p=1&tmp=1#post10666
After that thread, the officers decided to make it warrior restricted :p

[AjkulA]

Sulfuras hits realy hard every time, and proc of fireball is according to my procwatch (over 1000 hits every monitoring session) 8%. Some say with fury build it is 10% but I pvp also so no ty on fury 2Her build.

350 fire dmg on 8% is avg. 30 extra dmg every hit and yeah to me it is nice. And fireball procs of all attacks, and procs on whirlwing to other mobs/players then current targeted.

I still hate mace spec (no use in raid pve) but tbh it is nice now in pvp.

[Senta]

Man fucking hunters! Check out this hunter on blackrock

http://www.atgaming.com/elite/hunter/jkl-utb.jpg

[Shivan]

sigh...that makes me QQ irl |:

[Soruss]

Man fucking hunters! Check out this hunter on blackrock

http://www.atgaming.com/elite/hunter/jkl-utb.jpg

I hope you griefed him somehow.

[AjkulA]

You never know what dkp system they have.
Other guild in my server dischented UTB becouse they have fixed prices on items and it was to big for some warriors in guild :p

Not to mention that with fixed prices druid got Quick Strike Ring before all warriors/hunters/rogues and same druid got 2nd drake fang talisman that droped to them :)

Anway this is just example how in good guild some ppl put personal (and pvp interest) in front of guild interes, and yeah you will see hunters with ashkandi soon in larger numbers :)

[Dunderdon]

Anway this is just example how in good guild some ppl put personal (and pvp interest) in front of guild interes, and yeah you will see hunters with ashkandi soon in larger numbers Smile

we use a beting system and i think that might actually be an advantage since a hunter would pay a ridiculous amount of dkp to get that sword

[AjkulA]

we use a beting system and i think that might actually be an advantage since a hunter would pay a ridiculous amount of dkp to get that sword

We use common sence what class can bid on some item after pre-decided dkp limit. So no hunter will get it until all warriors who need it have it.

And most important hunters have better options then ashkandi.