@Vhell (Conc your armor build oO)

[Naikuja]

You got everything you posted previously or just some parts yet?
I was thinkin you posted some roguedmges on you when your fully armored.

And since im Alliance im striving to copy your fun armor build, only difference is I will have devotion aura aswell ;P

[SandDemon]

And stoneform if you made a dwarf

[AzouN]

Yes, you'll have devotion aura.

... only, you won't, and you won't even have inner fire, because purge > alliance!

[khan3817]

YEH ALLIANCE DON'T EVEN BOTHER BUFFING RAID ANYMORE IF THERE IS A REMOTE POSSIBILITY OF ENCOUNTERING HORDE.

Truth.

[RubiksCube]

You don't want Devotion Aura.

Devotion Aura is good against like 3 horde classes and doesn't do shit against the others.

You want Concentration Aura which adds up 35% to your 70% uninterruptable Flash Heal.

[WindiaN]

devo can't be purged, neither can a warden's staff (or that new pvp one) or one of those 450 armor pots. And yes you would rather have an nearly uninterruptable (LOL EARTHSHOCK) flash heal for 500 hp (LOL MORTAL STRIKE) than 1k armor from imp devo (LOL WINDFURY).

Go for the armor, its a great build and you sure will stay alive a lot longer, I could survive pretty much any assist train except for the nurfed one (obviously not like 5 warriors recklessnessing) and I didn't even have most of my gear. Get mark of tyranny if you haven't got your crit trinket yet ^^, armor librams ring of protection/heavy dark iorn / ring of binding (caster heavy group) that armor trinket from ZG, a warden's staff to swap in and a bunch of armor pots. Should be fine! (theres more stuff if you want to bother, those AB rewards have like double the armor of any other shoulder i believe)


PS: percentages don't add, it applies the chance twice.

[AzouN]

My point was not that devo could be purged, but that it, even if it was up and you were near the pala, would mean jack shit as you don't even have IF/fort/motw, and the opponent has WF.

[Naikuja]

I don't have imp Flash Heal since im still abit pve specced and I have Divine Spirit, but I have martyrdoom and with that one I don't need no concentration aura, same as I usally don't get targeted for too long. (Tried some yesterday in ab with two warriors <3). Rogues hit much lower on me (don't have all armor gear yet) and me warriors really helped me out by MSing the shit out of my attackers, so id say Devotion aura is pretty sweet.

4.3k Armor with that one + inner fire

[WindiaN]

4.3 is pretty high for not having any armor gear and just imp devo and imp inner fire, you must have had other buffs... that means that you had 3.3k with just inner fire? PS: inner fire is instant cast, so just keep recasting itk?

[RubiksCube]

devo can't be purged, neither can a warden's staff (or that new pvp one) or one of those 450 armor pots. And yes you would rather have an nearly uninterruptable (LOL EARTHSHOCK) flash heal for 500 hp (LOL MORTAL STRIKE) than 1k armor from imp devo (LOL WINDFURY).

PS: percentages don't add, it applies the chance twice.

Yadda, yadda.

Whenever I talk about uninteruptable healing (by damage, mind you) someone comes up with that earthshock, kick, pummel crap.

If all your heals would be getting disrupted you might just not heal at all.

Truth is, more often than not your heal will NOT be disrupted, because in reality people don't react as fast as in theorycraft. In reality sometimes cast disrupters are on cooldown.

Than again, if you have a rogue or warrior on you, the time your cast will get delayed by damage will give them time to react and shock/kick/pummeled.

And concentration aura percentage DOES add up with Spiritual Focus, which is 70% + 35%. I have not been interrupted by damage yet, so it has to add up.

It usually comes down to ~918 armor vs. uninterruptable heals, but honestly I prefer the uniterruptable heals. That extra armor does jack-shit against casts, so when my priest gets assist-trained I just throw him a blessing of protection. Complete physical immunity > 4000 armor.

That "Your heals will get interrupted by anything" is getting really old really fast, just throw a 1.5 sec heal right after they are at you, they'll have global cooldown and will waste their interrupt right after your heal has gone through, due to the fact that it's cast time is not set back due to damage. After that heal normally.

Or just wait for them to shock. Run a little, wait for the frost shock, then heal.

[WindiaN]

in my experience if you are able to cast within earth shock range (which you should never be unless you needed to run in to dispel and you got snared or you just got caught) and you are able to cast spells then you are fighting a group that is not very good and you are probably going to win the fight. Theorycraft is one thing, but fighting the nurfed group where it actually happens is another. granted you are right, the majority of the time, in fact every other group which we have beaten fairly easily aside from the main nurfed group, this never happens. But why should i prepare to beat the mediocre groups?

When the train hits you they have at least 3 interrupts 2 from the warriors and 1 from the shaman, the mage will save it for the pally most likely because it takes forever to drop him and you can't bubble out of the counterspell. You should not be able to cast anything but instants.
Oh and if melee is hitting on you for more than 2 seconds while you have BOP and you are not purged then i'm afraid that the group you are fighting is awful.

[RubiksCube]

Well, fucking duh, if you only heal out of earthshock range, you don't need devotion aura either, because than you'll be out of melee range, too.

You shouldn't be able to heal within earthshock range?
I don't know if you're fighting 5 Shamans in a 5 man, if not, you have a 6 second window after every earthshock.
Apart from that, just wait. Chances are, he'll either purge or shock sooner or later. If he shocks it's all yours to cast for 6 seconds. If he purges, immediately start a 1.5 sec heal. he'll be hammering that earthshock button, but will have global cooldown, so just as your mini-heal goes through he will shock and once again it's yours to heal.

Don't get me wrong, I know people talk about "skilled players", not mediocre groups, that ain't the point. The point is, people like you make it sound as if it would be completely impossible to heal (which it is not).

2 of your 3 disrupts are physical and chances are one will be wasted on that BoP. Seeing BoP the shaman purges, that's exactly where you throw the small heal to draw the earthshock as paladin. Quiete possibly though, the shaman will try to disrupt the paladin heal before hand, because he doesn't want him to heal the priest getting assist trained.

I don't think you can all out say what should happen (and if it didn't the group sucked). There's many things happening during group pvp.

I agree that armor is good on a priest, but I disagree that devotion aura > concentration aura. That was the point. But it always comes down to these "your heals will get earthshocked/kicked/pummeled/counterspelled" discussions. The question is: why bring a priest at all, if all heals will get interrupted? Oh, because some heals go through? Damn, than the group you're up against musst suck.

[WindiaN]

But it always comes down to these "your heals will get earthshocked/kicked/pummeled/counterspelled" discussions. The question is: why bring a priest at all, if all heals will get interrupted?

A very good question. My conclusion that the only thing i could do when the train finally caught me was get better gear, and it had nothing to do with skill, which is why i stopped playing. In context for this arguement, when the train finally catches you is devotion better than conc, i'd say 100% yes but pretty much either way your fucked. I'm waiting to see what priest changes they implement to give us more survivability/casting opportunities.

[khan3817]

Yes, the armor build only goes so far, then you need to rely on skill and your group's reaction time.


Windian is commenting about facing good groups, which will CC the fuck out of you. Scatters, fears, earthshocks, hammer of justice, repentance all timed perfectly when your backup healer is getting focused.

Theorycraft is played out perfectly when fighting the best groups :)

My armor build is on hiatus currently until there is better groups to fight out there, since 9/10 fights in AB I'm jumping in circles wondering when the next real fight is coming.

3k Armor self buffed Horde side while keeping great hp/mana/+heal/regen is what I aimed for and hit.


And about that BoP? Yea, /assist Dispel or /assist Purge. Gotta love it :)Who is the 1/10 against?

[Naikuja]

The thing is I just saw the "armor" as a lil protection against the rogues, so they dont WTFPWN me before my warrior/rogue can save me, it's not like I was thinking the armor is to protect me from everything and become immortal.

Also, if I get earhtshocked or whatever I always have a paladin that can heal me, its not like im the only healer in my team.
Also, if the paladin gets silenced or whatever he needs his HS on cooldown or it might happen that he presses that button at the same time as he bubbles, which is pretty bad =/

So basically, the armor is great to avoid the first impact hit from a rogue/warrior until you get backup from your allies, it's not there to make you immortal if I got it correctly.

Oh, and only 10% of the Shamans I have met on my server (We have two High Warlord Shamans, are good, sure they beat me... but the two HW Shamans cant beat me + a GM paladin together so.. <.< Sez alot about the skill on shamans at our server.)

I guess they do something like this

Purge, Windfury, Earthshock, Tremor/Earthbind Totem, Purge, Hit(hopes for windfury), earthshock and repeat :b

[WindiaN]

the only 2h wep i'd use on my shaman would be a staff of dominance ^^

[Naikuja]

the only 2h wep i'd use on my shaman would be a staff of dominance ^^

<3! Just <3

[Noristat]

devo can't be purged, neither can a warden's staff (or that new pvp one) or one of those 450 armor pots. And yes you would rather have an nearly uninterruptable (LOL EARTHSHOCK) flash heal for 500 hp (LOL MORTAL STRIKE) than 1k armor from imp devo (LOL WINDFURY).



Man, shit.

I am pretty depressed now. You just had to remind me, didn't you?

[WindiaN]

devo can't be purged, neither can a warden's staff (or that new pvp one) or one of those 450 armor pots. And yes you would rather have an nearly uninterruptable (LOL EARTHSHOCK) flash heal for 500 hp (LOL MORTAL STRIKE) than 1k armor from imp devo (LOL WINDFURY).



Man, shit.

I am pretty depressed now. You just had to remind me, didn't you?

So you take my quote out of context and attempt sarcasm? I was trying to make an argument for why I would rather have devo over conc aura. Go back to your terrible server.

[Noristat]

Dude, it was meant to be funny. I wasn't being sarcastic.

In a joking manner, I was pointing out that it's rather painful to be reminded of how many different ways the horde has of completely obliterating an alliance priest in less than a second without any hope or survival or escape...

But, even though it IS funny, it's also depressing that we pretty much have to kiss our asses goodbye after that first little blink from the first flash heal goes off and horde shaman/war sees it..

But, throw a fit if you'd like?

/em offers tampons?

[RubiksCube]

Well, taking up the discussion in hinsight of the pally changes. Concentration aura now gives the group a 15% chance to resist interrupts/silence as well.

Still favoring the 9xx Armor from Devotion?

[Noristat]

Hm, with conc + unbreakable will, you have a 30% chance to resist. That's not bad at all, really...

Most of the time I get focused so hard and fast by multiple people that the armor from devo doesn't matter. I say conc all the way..

[Naikuja]

Hm, with conc + unbreakable will, you have a 30% chance to resist. That's not bad at all, really...

Most of the time I get focused so hard and fast by multiple people that the armor from devo doesn't matter. I say conc all the way..

haha yes, we almost (ALMOST!) become orcs... imagine orc priest with conc aura... too bad thats never goin to happen TT

Well servers down, no forums Dota time (:

[Rickert]

To go for armor+stam looks like a good choice for me (wont go for badge but for charm tho).

But what do you consider your role in pvp as a support priest? Buffs wont hold long, same for shield (better if you'r horde tho), so a druid, pala or even a shama will have almost the same healing power you have, if you take instant heals and their higher surviablity into account. Offensive dispelling shamans are better, defensive dispelling palas (luckily im horde this time).

I don't want to whine but priest is one of the first, maybe even the first one who gets targeted and we die so fast i feel almost like honor food for aliance.

Edit: After reading my post myself again, i realized i answered my own question already...nvm then -_-"

[Elerion]

Looks like there would be two of them.