Modified dagger rogue build.

[kalin1]

Subtlety 10 Pts
Camouflage 5/5
Opportunity 5/5

Combat 26 Pts
Improved Gouge 3/3
Lightning Reflexes 2/5
Deflection 5/5
Precision 5/5
Dagger Specialization 5/5
Dual Wield Specialization 5/5
Blade Flurry 1/1

Assassination 15 Pts
Malice 5/5
Ruthlessness 2/3
Improved Slice and Dice 3/3
Lethality

OMGZ, NO IMP EVISCERATE!!! I know, that's what you are thinking. My reasoning is this: I noticed a large diminishing return on the effective use of eviscerate both in molten core and in PvP. It is often dodged, blocked, parried and whatnot; additionally, the armor now popping up on characters at 60 is now lowering evisc's damage to the point where it is almost sad. SnD + Blade flurry + 31.70 chance to crit = a lot more damage over time. Imp SnD makes it so I can SnD off of 2 combo points and still have enough for the whole fight, I am then free to KS, Evisc, or whatever my heart desires. Precision and + hit gear makes my miss rate low and BS crits about 60% of the time. DW spec gives my normal crits more bang for their buck and deflection is a better point sink than dodge. Looking for constructive feedback and input please :) My gear is posted here: http://www.wowrankings.com/viewb.htm?id=58208, note that I switched specs so my talents and crit rate are slightly out of sync. Also note that this spec is for max PvE damage output in MC and BWL, the PvP utility is limited (it is possible to rock in pvp with this build, but it takes practice).

[Valentir]

No point going both % hit gear and the talent, seeing as you can only get 5% to hit and lower it to a 19% missrate.

[arch]

I wouldn't turn down Seal Fate for anything as a dagger rogue and Evisc is great dmg since you get 25 energy back.

[byto]

no seal fate, no cb, no prep, no ar, no imp bs, no imp ambush, no imp evis ... no good template.

my 2 euro.

[kalin1]

no seal fate, no cb, no prep, no ar, no imp bs, no imp ambush, no imp evis ... no good template.

my 2 euro.

CB = Crit every 3 minutes = crutch. :shock: Trust me. I actually have improved backstab, I made a mistake in the talent template. Additionally, I said I wasn't using imp evisc, that was the whole point. It gets blocked, parried and misses way too often. Additionally, eviscerate = fixed damage (no ap bonus, no weapon bonus), modified by armor. With the amount of molten core gear running around, evisc is near worthless against warriors and paladins (and bosses with high AC) So if I dont eviscerate, what is the point of seal fate? Am I gonna rupture MC mobs? Or maybe kidney shot... Please remember that I was not trying for a PvP build, so why prep? 2 cold bloods (see above) Yay, I can vanish again in MC!! This is a PvE build which can be used in PvP, but you have to think creatively. I come in #1/#2 in kills in WSG/AV all the time with this build, it's all about high damage output and stun timing. Also, ambush is silly in molten core, you try and get close enough to a mob to ambush lol...you'll spend half your fight trying to get behind a lava surger while stealthed. If I go AR, I sacrifice either lethality or opportunity, which negates the point of a BS build. So, to recap, since you didnt read ALL of my first post: no seal fate cause I dont eviscerate, I maximize use of SnD + Blade flurry and dagger crits to do more damage over time. I am not stunning because this is NOT primarily a pvp build. No CB, cause CB is WAY overrated. Woot, a crit every three minutes! With a 31.7% chance to crit (61% on BS), this is pointless, again because I dont eviscerate often. Ambush in MC is almost pointless, it's way too situational and you are knocked out of stealth 90% of the time before you can get it off. As for the eviscerate thing, read my first post. The 25 energy thing is nice, but I can live without it as it requires 5 combo points for a guaranteed proc. I use precision to get DW spec...it's required unfortunately and DW spec kicks ass with a high crit rate and SnD, gives you more bang for your buck. As for the % to hit gear, it's part of the set :) Nothing I can do about that. I'm not a noob...been down the seal fate road before. Used to be 31/8/12, wanted to maximize non situational damage in molten core/BWL, trying to use a BS build with, blade flurry, SnD, dagger spec and DW spec to do it.

Camouflage 5/5
Opportunity 5/5

Combat 26 Pts
Improved Gouge 3/3
Lightning Reflexes 4/5
Improved Backstab 3/3
Precision 5/5
Dagger Specialization 5/5
Dual Wield Specialization 5/5
Blade Flurry 1/1

Assassination 15 Pts
Improved Slice and Dice 3/3
Malice 5/5
Ruthlessness 2/3
Lethality 5/5

[byto]

oh i missed the pve part because i didnt read the last sentence of your post.

[FallenDevil]

CB may be a crutch in yer eyes but if i want a crit i can have one with it. and i know in MC at least 6 minute mobs are the normal thats 2 free insta crits eviscerate or what you want really.. imo i dont see it as a crutch more like promise.

[kalin1]

CB may be a crutch in yer eyes but if i want a crit i can have one with it. and i know in MC at least 6 minute mobs are the normal thats 2 free insta crits eviscerate or what you want really.. imo i dont see it as a crutch more like promise.

Ok, but I got really frustrated by this sequence of events:
"You gain Cold Blood."
"Your eviscerate was parried by (insert mob here)."
or
"You gain Cold Blood."
"Your eviscerate was dodged by (insert mob here)."

With the items I have I have ~32% chance to crit. Add that to imp BS and BS has a 62% chance to crit. I use SnD and Blade Flurry (every 2 min) to make up for the lack of a crit eviscerate, with a string of crits as often happens, the total damage thouroput is GREATER than the amount of damage dealt by a crit eviscerate in roughly the same amount of time necessary to generate the combo points to make it worth while. With an off CHT and DW spec, if my MH and OH both crit, that's 4-500 damage, right there. Now imagine that happening at 40% increased speed...you get the picture. CB is GREAT in PvP. Nothing like a guaranteed crit on a fast take down. But, as my build has nothing to do with combo point generation, guarantted crits dont really dont mean much for me.