Need help with classes >< (i suck) [long]

[FTSW]

Okay to start this off I'll say a bit about myself. I bought WoW the day it came out, and made a priest (something that I had chosen after taking a priest to level 10 on the open beta). I took that priest up to level 35, and then I found out that my friend had just bought the game, so I made a rogue with him. All in all, I have made quite a few characters. I have played since release with a few months off and I have:

43 Druid
42 Priest
40 Mage
35 Priest
30 Priest
30 Rogue
25 Rogue
20 Warrior
17 Warrior

As you can see I have had some problems with making new characters, whether it was to go onto another server with other friends, or because I had gotten tired of the class.

I am looking for guidance, so to speak, I am a hardcore gamer, and I just hit 1000 hours of WoW gameplay on xfire. http://www.xfire.com/xf/modules.php?name=XFire&file=profile

... I really want to explore content past level 45, and I know that the entire game changes at level 60. I am 100% PvP based and I own at PvP. I can rarely find anyone challanging to duel, and I think that this might contribute to my continuous want to start over, for a real challange. My current character is the level 25 rogue, with whom I own WSG.

I don't know what I need, maybe a switch to turn on inside that sees the class that I want to take to 60, and I am not against going back to any of the classes that I have previously played. I don't know what I want, but I NEED help, because I really want to hit 60, I have enough played time to have at least one, if not two characters at 60, but I have started over so much because of getting tired with each class.

If ANYONE can help me in any way, including telling me how they like their class at 60, etc. (I know that a lot of you have a couple of level 60 characters, so it would help to compare them to each other.) I really need help... heh. This might all sound a bit wacky, but I love world of warcraft, and I really want to get to endgame ><...

Thanks
For the super win

[Athrun]

same here, i dunno about my played gametime but i have at least 5 times as much characters as you have, and have played all but paladin to 40 or more on several servers because a lot of friends quit/start/start over/start again after quitting and i don't really care to make a new char that much.
Now there will be a new european server, which i truly hope will be my final move, and to a new character lol.
I also wanna have fun in PvP, and the best PvP classes are imo #1 shaman #2 mage. This is meant in 1v1 situations.
I have the most fun in besting someone 1v1.
with these classes it´s hard to lose to the majority of classes, with 1 or 2 exceptions that have a chance against you.
Now do you feel satisfaction winning something that you should be winning?
I don't.
But if i lose because someone won because their class just owns mine, like a mage vs hunter, me being the hunter, and if that guy proceeds whining about how good he is etc, that will #1 get him ignored, (#2 blacklisted -_-), #3 it will make me feel bad, i just can't stand that kind of behaviour.
So i'd rather be the class that's destined to win and act normal about it, taking only a challenge in mirrors or pve.
Imo we both suffer from a flaw in WoW, in the rock paper scissors system.
At least, speaking for myself, if all classes would have a 50-50 chance of beating one another regardless of skill, it would make a big difference.
There would not be a problem for me, it just exists because i don´t wanna play "gimped classes", because of the players with bad manners pissing me off.
But sadly the system is flawed so we will keep this problem. The only way to overcome it is to kill it, by being the god mode classes. Imo shamans.
There won't be any satisfaction left in PvP because you're supposed to own all though, but there won't be annoying situations either.
If you want to have a challenge in pvp, roll a hunter, or warlock. They're the "deepest" classes, and require some thought to be good with.
A warlock is able to become so good that he can win vs all classes, while a hunter can't do that.
Good luck with your choice.

[FTSW]

Thanks for the post, and I would like more input as well. At the moment I am also suffering from the same thing. On my rogue its like; 'rogues are easy to play'. It also seems like rogues don't have much depth at all. I am too bored with my mage to go back, even though mages pwn.

Basically what I want is a class that can control combat to go his way. At least this is what I think I want. I also want a class that can own people, which is why I rerolled from druid, because they are very slow at killing people.

Warlock is an option, and I know that they take a bit of skill to play.

Thinking of going back to druid possibly, because of their combat control abilities.

Was also thinking about paladin for some reason >< lol... I really don't know why though.

[Athrun]

i think warlock would be the perfect class for you then.
don't roll a paladin, they're boring

[FTSW]

yeah, i just admire paladin's just standing in the middle of a crowd, beating on someone, lol... i've played a friends, they are boring as fuck, something lured me too them though, heh. Yeah i'm thinking about warlock... It is one of the classes that I just don't know too much about however, any 60 warlocks have anything they'd like to say?

[Backdoor Beauty]

it's not as bad as it sounds, but many people aren't happy with it, i don't want to say anything that will turn you off of the class, but i can't think of alot of positive stuff to say either :P

That being said, Warlock is the only class i can really stand playing for more than 10 minutes at the moment, i've tried to level other classes, and i just can't stand it, i don't know if it's the classes themselves, or the fact that the redundancy of leveling makes me want to gouge my eyes out, but i sometimes enjoy the class, and sometimes i loathe it....

[FTSW]

Whats wrong with it? I am seriously considering warlock at the moment.

[Backdoor Beauty]

some annoying bugs, and shard farming can be a problem.

I personally have never shard farmed really unless i know i'm going to need 40 shards (aka Kazzak is expected to spawn, and i'm in the area, so i farm 2 bags full of shards to help with summons so we can get the first shot).

Warlocks are getting some good buffs in their talent tree's though, so quite a few complaints have been rectified.

I think the most common complaint on the warlock forums is

"no escape ability" as in, as a cloth caster, without the succubus you have no way to create distance between yourself and a melee class.

Other than that, it's the only class i can stand playing.

[FallenDevil]

"no escape ability" as in, as a cloth caster, without the succubus you have no way to create distance between yourself and a melee class.

i assume this is in pvp...if so fear correctly, get soulink, get friends, umm swiftness pots, freeaction pots, insignia of the horde/alliance, stay outta sight in group pvp, always have yer succubus out if you pvp may or will occur. these are viable options. My main is a warrior and only warlocks that are smart ever survive.

[Ralrra]

I think the biggest complaint is they don't have an instant oh shit panic type escape ability. Mages get FN/blink, priests get instant aoe fear, even druids can have nature's grasp+travel form, warlocks don't get anything apart from the succubus seduce in that case.

[ozeloth]

if I understood you correctly you basicly want a kickass character that has a clear advantage over most by default? If so I'd say shaman or shadowpriest which is good cause I noticed you have a 42 priest already.

[RubiksCube]

Well if you want a class that takes skill (and equipment), can beat any class, yet is not being seen as "imbalanced" und is incredebly fun to play, I'd say play a druid.

Problem with druids is their slow kill speed though, so if you don't like that stay away from the class.

I played my druid first, but at sixty I realized I could beat any class one on one, but it would take me so long that it didn't stay a 1on1, because some dipshit would come around interfering.

In team PvP, the aspect that I enjoy the most, the druid isn't as good as I thought he'd be. You can either heal or get beat on, but being a primary healer in a 2v2 situation, you're as fragile as any priest.

So I rolled up my Paladin, whom I finally got to 60 this saturday, and I gotta say I love it. I have a pretty weird spec, focused around grp pvp, being a grp healer and the such. It's fun and whenever none of my people are on to pvp or do instances with I continue to play my rogue :P

The druid is shelved till feral patch :D

[Ishra]

FINALY i find some1 that got the same problem as me i but dont realy know what my problem is... Though i have played since the release and i have NEVER got a char above 38... its realy sad..

i play this game like every day n stuff.. im game addicter =(

so far i have realized that my problem seems to be that i read to much forums and if i see a post like "this class sucks" "skill sux" and so on i get bored of chars reading of forums.. + im aint got any irl friends playing so i have to play solo most of the times.. and i hate grinding so i mostly do quest exping

this is what i think about the classes:

-Rogue: Realy fun class (but i die alot) owns most players , but lateley it seems that rogues sucks more and more :\ from my guildies etc.. Hard to get partys for instances.. + theres sooo many rogues around =(
Class of choice dilemma: Undead or Orc wich is the best one.. (im a horde player myself) Wotf vs 25% stun/kb res (touhg u can replace wotf with trinket) WHY CANT TROLL HAVE SOME GOOD RACIALS!

-Hunter: Here is my highest lvl 38 char at fun but a bit boring i always forget to remove aspect of the cheetah :p i mostly own ppl long above my lvl ive learned how to kite :D but i dont like the playstyle ranged is boring.. after a while u get addicted of makeing higher dmg so u realy buy all ranged wepons i can come over.. from my experiance many ppl dont realize that they need hunters in instances they rather take an extra mage. and over lvl 35 exping is sooo slow cuz i do most my quest pretty fast and i only got higher lvl quest left to do :(

-Druid: PLZ make better dmg in shapeshifting form.. druids are annoying to face MOOOOOOOOONfire spam ok u cant do much against it on low lvl... so when i did mine it didnt seem to be as effective.. and Taurens is soo ugly :( and im not so skilled at go out of shapeshifting and heal and go back u druids know the drill :p

-Mages: so dry.. imo its a bit to easy and boring. u have to spend loads of times makeing water and drink.. Hic!

-Shaman: an owning class kill most but u can compare this to a paladin (tough my highet pala was lvl 11) shocks and stuff good but spends alot of mana during a fight :( dunno about this class but this class i havent exlored so much tho the travelform at lvl 20 is fun :) just another well populated as mage and rogues (at least on stormscale)

-Warlock: Sounds fun but all these posts about OMG WARLOCKS SUCKS etc.. it doesent feel like i wana do a lock. they are one of the best classes in the game but one of the most buggiest class of them all and soulshards farming is realy boring (plz make em stackable).. Oh wtf? no soulshards?? owell i guess i have to tank these mobs with my imp.. ill be lucky to survive this mob!

-Warrior: Oh u got the cookie cutter build aswell? cool!.. not realy.. this class got like 2 builds.. Mortal strike or Protection spec. seems rather boring.

-Priest: my current char is a priest @ lvl 29.. but i dont like healing but playing priest u will fast learn about other players playstyle who suck and who dont..
this is what i mostly get.. (in instances for example)
Mage: "WTF WHY DONT U HEAL ME!"
Me: If u stop casting Aoe spells and such shit i can start healing u.. U draw aggro from the warrior and i have to heal ur azz and ill gett all the aggro instead and then i wount be able to fade out of that..
Mage: ffs noob i save us..
Me: Ok i can c that why have we wiped twice? and u dont give me any water even if i ask u to make some..
Mage: fu noob
<Mage has left the party>
as a priest u get a lot of whine and u realy wana whine more back.. but healing is not my thing i wana do shadow dmg! like in wsg u have to run after and heal thats realy boring

-Paladin: *hack, slash, heal, hack, slash* <5 min later> *hack, slash, Dead* Omg 2 gankers im gona kill u!! <30 min later> after running after them: "oh no they are gona kill me" *shield and heartstone*

well i think thats all *phew*
i think im gona create a new alliance rogue at the new server coming on europe realms at wensday so then at least i can feel more like that im not worst player at the realm + u dont need to feel underpowerd :) a full new realm :)

i realy like playing this game but blizzard seems to f*** up the classes faster than i can lvl them :p

[Dunderdon]

@ ishra i personnally think it has nothing to do with blizz classes
i dont think either a new server will help you
in my opinion it is just your lack of dedication
no offense because i know what it is like. when i started WoW i had about 5-6 friends (friends from wc3 and rl friends) who played with me. we did not play together that much cause they were either faster than me or slower.
but they kept me going

and trust me i had to fight real hard =)
it took about 14 days to get to lvl 60 and warrior was still kind of gimped back then so i had to fight even more

now i dont really get bored of my warrior (only BGs and faction grinding *g*). i have about 6 twinks i guess. i did not stop playing because i think i chose a bad class but just because i lack the dedication.

so my advice to both of you: Dont start on a new server or a new class, pick your highest lvl char, try to get just 1 or 2 lvls to get some new spells or try joining groups for instances more because new items always keep you going.

@ishra Just imagine yourself doing 3000dmg aimed shot crits with your hunter or entering MC for the first time and do some cool stuff.

For example i just love to see hunters pull mobs in MC while jumping and kicking in 1080s :P
or how they build a line of fierce ranged troops on onyxia raids (explanation: we place all our hunters in the south when raiding onyxia)
Those things make WoW a fun game to play imo

[Athrun]

ishra i play on europe stormscale too.
You can join me as i will play on haumarush, i'm gonna play a shaman or mage there. My nick will be rage, and u can play with me and some 20 other guys moving there. Maybe that will help 1 of ur problems.
so yes, we play horde. but alliance sucks anyways.
i will go there btw because a lot of friends also wanna start fresh, and race to 60!

[Backdoor Beauty]

As a Priest, my favorite part of being one, was being able to observe the whole situation from the back.

I remember doing ring runs in temple during beta (the drakefire bands were the best rings available when the level cap was 50) with a 47 warrior, who could barely taunt the dragons, and a frost mage (dwarf frost mage FTW).

It was one of my most amazing, and favorite experiences as a priest, since the warrior had trouble keeping aggro at all due to taunt resists (taunt was the main way to keep aggro back then by spamming it).

I had to pull out all the stops, back when priests were able to combat rez (damn you blizzard!).

My 2nd favorite instance as a priest, was during temple aswell, i was level 46, and i had to heal a group of all 50's all the way to the end, i died a couple times, but they were really nice. The people involved were considered the best PvE'rs on the Alliance side, or at least 4 of the best. I was happy to be invited to the group, and it was a challenge having to heal for that group at such a low level. Fast run too (cleared the whole instance except basement).

If you enjoy saving lives, then Priest is great, but sometimes it's frustrating having to deal with some rather incompetent players. 1 bad player can turn you off of a relatively good group. This is especially so if they bitch and complain often.

As for warlock, i personally don't have any problems with the class, it's my favorite class. I don't complain about it, and i do what i can to the best of my ability. In group PvP, i rarely die unless specifically targeted or seperated from my group. In solo PvP, if i die, then i die, corpse run, no big deal, after all that's what i signed up for.

I don't always use succubus, i probably use felhunter/imp more.

Also, for those saying "fear well" or "always have succubus out and have lots of xxx xxx pots" That's somewhat ridiculous that a class has to rely on potions and engineering to be effective in PvP. Succubus vs UD = GG, Fear is pretty much GG against everything because it's so easily breakable. I could probably list 25 abilities/items that could break fear, and make it completely useless. This is especially so in group PvP since fear ward is bugged.

[Athrun]

dwarves can't be mages

[RubiksCube]

dwarves can't be mages

They could back in beta.

[Backdoor Beauty]

yes, those experiences are all from beta, dwarf mages, priest combat rez, and all that.

[Devilnaut]

in my opinion it is just your lack of dedication


Anyone remember the days when videogames didn't require "dedication"... ?

[keboman]

You mean back when you could just hex edit the save games to get a billion gold in gold box games?

[Devilnaut]

Nah.

I'm talking about when games were made of fun, instead of being made of "what you have to do to get to the fun".

[keboman]

Games are more fun these days. You're just older and derive less enjoyment from it. I know I used to be able to play 12 hours a day, every day, and have fun, now I get bored after a couple and want to go doing something physical or meet with friends.

[Athrun]

yeah i enjoy the games of long ago even less now

[Devilnaut]

"Games are more fun these days. You're just older and derive less enjoyment from it."


Thanks for the effort, but this is absolutely not true - at least not for me. In fact some of the games I've played longest (say, chess, for example) are the *most* fun for me now.

I've been playing UO (player run shards: not the EA version which suffers from the same problem), and playing a lumberjack is more fun than my 60 priest. No joke. Many new games (those made by gigantic companies especially) are not about ideas or visions: they are about satisfying the desires of the consumer, and this makes them soulless. They are built out of reflected parts (the developers' perception of the desires of the consumers) and they are therefore inorganic and involve more memorize-this type gameplay rather than cohesive, intuitive gameplay. In my humble opinion WoW is a horrible game because there's no game: it involves killing a 'something' to get a 'something' in order to kill a 'something+' in order to get a 'something+'. All "having fun" in WoW involves is daydreaming about your next purple and that's why it 'requires dedication' instead of inspiring true addiction :)

And the pvp difference between WoW and say, UO, is night and day.


Take a look at when 3D graphics hit the platforming scene on consoles. The games were *terrible*, and it's not because the developers were still learning the technology. It's because these games weren't the product of a vision for a game, held together in the mind of a single individual. They were the product of a game company saying "Hey! Let's make use of that new 3D technology to make a game!".

Compare the Winning Eleven soccer series by Konami to EA's Fifa. Every year Konami makes small gameplay tweaks, balances, and touches to bring the feel of the Winning Eleven game closer to real soccer. It is a fantastic game, which you can play intuitively and really 'get in the zone' with: they understand their game and have a very good sense of the vision which it aspires to. But of course, they sell less than EA's Fifa, which buys all the licensing every year, and for which each new iteration sports some fancy new 'feature' such as 'off the ball control', or 'first touch football' that basically turns the game upsidedown for those who really know it.

Or, compare your favorite indie rock (or whatever) band with Britney Spears... Are good bands really recycled as fast as modern pop is recycled? Do we recycle our great composers?

I digress so I'll stop ;P

[ozeloth]

Athrun has a pm.

[keboman]

I'm talking about computer games. Remember how uber x-com was? Go play Silent Storm or Jagged Alliance and tell me they're not better ;) Hell, Jagged Alliance isn't even new.

[Devilnaut]

UO is a computer game...

And I wonder why WoW has to keep updating constantly to create new (halfway unreachable) "carrots"? Umm... because the game is bad, that's why.

[keboman]

Sure dude. Sure. PS Wow has only been out for 9 months. I think it's a fucking mess as much as the next person.. but I don't think there's a lack of content, they just need to polish it more before releasing it.

[Backdoor Beauty]

the problem with MMO's currently, is they depend on returning subscriptions, so all they do is make sure they put in just enough to get your subscription, and no more (and definately not less). As long as consumers are satisfied with what they're getting, the game will stay the way it has been going.

I would love to see some sort of chart showing cancellation rates since november.

[Devilnaut]

Lack of content isn't the problem, it's the philosophy behind the content.

[keboman]

More easily obtainable rewards than other games? More action oriented/exciting fights? What are you getting at?

[Devilnaut]

I'm saying that I prefer games that are based on ideas, rather than what I want. I'm saying it's not as simple as "I want games with X and Y".

[Tlear]

Most classe are what you make of them. Almost any class can be played at 3 levels 1. noob. 2. avg joe 3. leet! :) Also what you know about classes from leveling means very little at 60, also 99% of board post on wow forums are from peopel who really have no clue about what they are talkign about.

Rogue are easy to play on both 1 and 2 but there are those few rogue that are at stage 3 and damn some impress me immenseley with what can this class be made to do. Best thing there is NO COOKIE CUTTER SPEC and you can do very well with blue gear. I played around with friends chars and man so many builds so many ways to optimize, through in engineering in here and you got a micromanagers dream class. If you want a decent non-common spec try CB/Hemo build with imp EA and imp KS. CP generation and control galore

Warrior is pure fun imo. Very gear based though, sometimes I pickup a warrion and go into AV to whore the CB scores (well they whore scores I heal lol). Best I did with Daltheb he had 190 KB with some horde mage at 88 in second place. Here 2 is not that far from 3 but the single most importat thing you need is target selection and situational awareness. I loved playing with Andrei, literally the second rogue uncloaked to attack one of the casters he had Andrei intercepting and top of him. In his oppinion class was too easy not enough micromanagement.

Mage. Simillar to warrior in a way, ice for control fire for pure dmg. All I know is that 8-90% mages dont know when to counterspell, which make me happy. Never really played one so cant comment.

Warlock, hard to play class. Huge difference between noob and good player. Lots of viable specs. But shards.. URGH

Shaman ahh so many class 1 shamans lol. Man if I had 1 dollar per retarded shaman that FSes me I would be a millionaire. Well played shaman is just well unstopable,, get invulnerable mail to become the HERO class (only class that can advance to the hero status :p).

Paladin. haha my class, healer in plate with invuln shield and other goodies. Leveling is boring but at 60 if you want to play one to its full potential we have alot to offer. Managing blessings on multiple people, healing using 2.5 sec heal (much harder then with flash), avoiding interupts, adding some CC and dps when needed. Lots of room to display skill.. as long as you remember you are SUPPORT.

Priest. Horde priests dont have to face purge which is damn nice, but getting plowed over sucks..

[Hammen]

I have the same problem :P Ive made a lot of characters, different classes, sometimes the same but on different servers... I currently have a 40 rogue, 34 mage and 12 warrior which are the ones I play the most... Ive basically gotten bored with my rogue and mage, and as much as I want to play the warrior, I do feel I should start trying to just level one character, and might go for the rogue... but I am really bored with him :( Everyone Ive talked to keeps telling me to forget about new characters and stick to leveling one at a time... cant help it though :p Should I bother leveling the warrior or just get to 60 with my rogue first? =/

[Ishra]

i rolled alliance on Haumarush i play mage and any other random class :P i dont know anything about alliance but im bored of horde
so if u see a player named Ishra/tear/nimbuz dont kill me ;DD

[Theldon]

"no escape ability" as in, as a cloth caster, without the succubus you have no way to create distance between yourself and a melee class.

i assume this is in pvp...if so fear correctly, get soulink, get friends, umm swiftness pots, freeaction pots, insignia of the horde/alliance, stay outta sight in group pvp, always have yer succubus out if you pvp may or will occur. these are viable options. My main is a warrior and only warlocks that are smart ever survive.

i assume this is in pvp...if so fear correctly, get soulink, get friends, umm swiftness pots, freeaction pots, insignia of the horde/alliance, stay outta sight in group pvp, always have yer succubus out if you pvp may or will occur. these are viable options. My main is a warrior and only warlocks that are smart ever survive.[/quote]

Soul link is terrible, I'm alliance side so decent shamans dispel this, and it costs 400 mana, which is quite a bit. Also, when im fighting melee, long survivability isn't the problem, it is all their spell interrupts. When you look at the escape ability of a mage (blink, instant creates space) or a priest (psychic scream, instant creates space) we just dont have anything that compares.