Ninja Looted by a member of Nurfed.

[Utnayan]

Hey :) Just wanted to say I really like the layout of this site since I am here. Good job.

A member named KHB Ninja looted Goft of the Elven Magi, and Star of Mysteria from a group today, just wanted to make you aware of it. Fjord, who is a guildie in Goon Squad (I am one of the officers) was one of the witnesses. Basically they pulled a loot and scoot, and logged instantly after.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[kaiser]

looking into it thanks for the heads up.

[IN-QQQQ]

Doesn't sound like something KHB would do.
We do enough instance runs that gear really doesn't matter to most of us.

You sure there wasn't some kind of misunderstanding or mistake?

[Trixx]

Hey :) Just wanted to say I really like the layout of this site since I am here. Good job.

A member named KHB Ninja looted Goft of the Elven Magi, and Star of Mysteria from a group today, just wanted to make you aware of it. Fjord, who is a guildie in Goon Squad (I am one of the officers) was one of the witnesses. Basically they pulled a loot and scoot, and logged instantly after.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Neither items show up on thottbot...Hmm...

[Anonymous]

http://www.thottbot.com/?i=14360
http://www.thottbot.com/?i=18505

[SiliconX]

I hate to add to or encourage any drama here, but here's some screenshots.

http://siliconx.ca/storage/ninjad.jpg
http://siliconx.ca/storage/ninjad2.jpg

In retrospect, I should've just extended my chat window. Oh well, hindsight is 20/20 :p

[Tivoli]

Ninja looting is not something we tolerate, we will be handling this, thanks for the screenshots.

[Envie]

I don't know the details of this situation, nor do I have anything I can really comment on, but I did want to respond to those posting this here that I for one appreciate your courtesy in this by coming directly to the guild rather than posting a big mess on the beta/pvp forums.

I realize, belatedly, I wish I'd never gotten mixed up in one thread regarding Grayrage and DiE and it's not one of my more shining accomplishments, no matter how stellar the flame I wrote was... :roll: You figure out, eventually, that the pvp forum is full of flaming, exaggerated BS and general garbage spewing back and forth between players. I am glad you had the maturity to bring this to Nurfed attention privately without a lot of commotion, that says a lot. I hope this was just an unfortunate mistake or misunderstanding.

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[Av]

I don't know the details of this situation, nor do I have anything I can really comment on, but I did want to respond to those posting this here that I for one appreciate your courtesy in this by coming directly to the guild rather than posting a big mess on the beta/pvp forums.

I realize, belatedly, I wish I'd never gotten mixed up in one thread regarding Grayrage and DiE and it's not one of my more shining accomplishments, no matter how stellar the flame I wrote was... :roll: You figure out, eventually, that the pvp forum is full of flaming, exaggerated BS and general garbage spewing back and forth between players. I am glad you had the maturity to bring this to Nurfed attention privately without a lot of commotion, that says a lot. I hope this was just an unfortunate mistake or misunderstanding.

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As a friend of fjord, he told me that KHB had already won the Postmaster's Ring, a cape from The Archivist aswell as a Corruptors Stone from the Magistrate (Where he also apparantely looted the key, which no one had rolled for yet).

He was suppose to have immediately logged off, I have no more details but the stories of my friends who we're there, so don't shoot the messenger.

Av

[IN-QQQQ]

Thx for the heads up.

[Indalamar]

Thank you for bringing this to us like envie said instead of makinh some dramatic post on the wow forums. We will be daeling with KHB as soon as we find him. Unfortunately he has been MIA all day.

[Utnayan]

Thank you for bringing this to us like envie said instead of makinh some dramatic post on the wow forums. We will be daeling with KHB as soon as we find him. Unfortunately he has been MIA all day.

No problem and thanks for checking into it.

[Indalamar]

KHB has been removed from the guild as a result of his actions. He should also be contacting the people involved to appologize for the unfortunate occurance. Thank you again for bringing the situation to our attention.

[KingHillBilly]

<Dealt With>

[Yatmyss]

I am by no means trying to start any trouble or stir up problems (great way to start a post eh?), but noticed a name on the WoW forums I remembered from Xegony. Is the Indalamar in nurfed the same Indalamar from xegony who was in Verboten (sp?) and IC? Later on became Indal?

I only ask because the Indalamar on these forums seems extremely harsh on Ninja Looting. The Indalamar from xeg was rather notorious for ninja looting one of the only cryosilk robes on the server, not to mention the butcherblock hammer (which as I understand the situation, it wasn't ninja'd... but was taken from a l50 dwarf to be given to a L1 twink (Indal)). And no, I was not present for either event, so both could be fully faabricated results of jealous people.

Anyway as I said I am not trying to start anything, just curious if Nurfed started from Xegony, and if so, why the ethical change.

[Indalamar]

Lol havent had those topics brought up in years but yes thats the same person (me). To clarify both events, first the cryo robes, I didnt ninja those, back in those days everyone used the "guess a number" system where one person would pick a number, everyone would send thier number to a designated person who was told the number by the person who picked the number (I know really fucked up system eh) and then that person revealed the original number and the person who picked closest. By pure stroke of luck I guessed the correct number for the cryosilk robes and won those.

The BB Hammer which I was so "notorious" for possesing was also not ninja'd. That was a reward for a GM held event which my guild at the time "Verbotten" (sp that was years ago) was responsible for completing. The quest reward was the BB Hammer which was a Cleric/Paladin only weapon and Gnome/Dwarf only for race. As it was, the person responsible for handing out the weapon was not the same person who was running the event. My guild single handledly completed the entire event but since I was a Dark Elf wizard I could not be present for the reward delivery since it took place in the dwarven city throne room and I was obviously KOS. Since not a single person who actually participated in completing the event was a dwarf or gnome the GM gave the item to a random passerby who was a gnome mage (I forget the guys name). Obviously my guild had a very serious problem with that since they spent 8 hours running around doing this GM event and then the hammer was given to a random gnome mage simply because of his race. Fortunately the mage was a friend of our guilds and he addmitted he didn't deserve the item and then gave it to our guild. Afterwards our guild was faced with the fact that we didnt have a single member who could put the item to good use since it was obviously a paladin weapon and the only valid option for the weapon was a dwarf paladin. At that point the guild decided that anyone who would reroll thier main character to use the weapon would be given the weapon. I was unhappy with my wizard so I said I would reroll as well as 2 of our other members. We did a /random and I won the roll for the hammer. Hence Indal Dwarf Paladin was born. Hope that clarifies both of your questions.

There has been no "ethical change" here, ninja looting is moraly wrong since it is stealing. KHB has been a member of Nurfed almost since the inception of the guild and he has been removed because of his actions. The possibility of KHB being reinstated to the guild is still up in the air. WoW is KHB's first EQ style mmorpg. Other then WoW he has only played SB. Since SB was an open pvp game and Nurfed's stance in SB was "Us versus everyone else" he was both not accustomed to the idea of us playing nice with non guildies or to the concept of ninja looting because loot in SB was almost non existant.

[Yatmyss]

Well that is a good example of what kind of rumors a bit of jealousy can spread I suppose. My apologies if I dredged up annoying memories. Anyway, good to know there are some old school Xegony people still around these days.

[rage]

Anyway, good to know there are some old school Xegony people still around these days.

I was Saracin, Wood Elf Rogue in Machin Shin, played in the pre-velious and PoP days.

[Switz]

Well you guys were right he did ninja loot those items are on his thottbot profile now.....sad not a fan of ninja looters either.

[Sasuke]

KHB has been with nurfed for quite a while, I am pretty sure he told me he has lanned with some of them as well.

He is from shadowbane and the game is a lot different as far as loot goes, and keep in mind the severity of ninja looting may not be apparent to him. If you are in nurfed, a guild where loot is plentiful, you get desensitized to the word.

It is also only beta after all so it really should be no big deal.

That being said, however, it is also wrong of nurfed to act like they are taking this matter seriously. We all know khb has been with you for a long time, we all know he has met some of you in person and is good pals with you. Hell, a lot of the IN-clan guys probably even remember him from kali warcraft2 days. So why act like this membership is really in jeopardy when there is no chance in hell you guys are going to permanently boot him out.

Politics...

[Pimster]

KHB is not a cheater, I am quite sure this must be a misunderstanding. You guys need to seriously fuck off.
Do not mess with the War2 crew or we will start a clan and own you talentless pieces of shit and talk shit too.

WHEN U GET RAPE U STFU

Pimster

P.S. nice layout rofl

[Jumai]

KHB is not a cheater, I am quite sure this must be a misunderstanding. You guys need to seriously fuck off.
Do not mess with the War2 crew or we will start a clan and own you talentless pieces of shit and talk shit too.

WHEN U GET RAPE U STFU

Pimster

P.S. nice layout rofl
wtf?

lock please

[Zosimus]

TYSON CREW OWNZ~~

[Sasuke]

Pimster is a fanboy from warcraft2. No one said khb cheated, they said he ninja looted.

Edit: "When you get rape you stfu" was one of KHB's trademark phrases in warcraft2. Another one was "Wow What A Beatdown".

[sirfabius]

He played a FFA style pvp game before wow, so he didn't understand how looting works in the game, even after building a character to lvl 60? I knew how looting works even without ever having played a mmorpg before, and my only ninja incident was in VC when I looted by mistake some cloth I couldn't even use.
I'm sorry, but he knew exactly what he was doing.

[Tivoli]

KHB has been with nurfed for quite a while, I am pretty sure he told me he has lanned with some of them as well.

He is from shadowbane and the game is a lot different as far as loot goes, and keep in mind the severity of ninja looting may not be apparent to him. If you are in nurfed, a guild where loot is plentiful, you get desensitized to the word.

It is also only beta after all so it really should be no big deal.

That being said, however, it is also wrong of nurfed to act like they are taking this matter seriously. We all know khb has been with you for a long time, we all know he has met some of you in person and is good pals with you. Hell, a lot of the IN-clan guys probably even remember him from kali warcraft2 days. So why act like this membership is really in jeopardy when there is no chance in hell you guys are going to permanently boot him out.

Politics...

Yes we have lanned with him, and yes we do take things like this seriously, we treat everyone in the guild equal, there really is no favoritism shown from either Dal or Myself when making these decisions. As far as KHB being a member of Nurfed, yes he most likely will be a member, everyone needs a slap on the wrist sometimes ;).

[Sasuke]

Just to clarify, I am not saying he should get more than a "slap on the wrist" in the first place. It was a minor incident and the game isn't even out of beta. Plus it's not like he won't learn from the mistake he made.

I just think it's sorta silly to act like it is some big issue and that his membership is honestly in jeopardy when that is not the case.

[Tivoli]

Beta or release it really doesn't matter where it happened. And yes it is a big issue for this type of game, if it wasn't a big issue, then it wouldn't have been posted at all ;).

[eggrollking]

khb ninja looted a bucket of kfc from me o_O

[Kasake]

Eggrollking.... wow you must HATE KHB now. I know I would... NO ONE touches my KFC! 8)

*Edit* called KHB KGB :oops:

[Indalamar]

To clarify the issue and hopefully lay it to rest. What KHB did was Very serious. When I explained to him the severity of his actions and that I was going to remove him from the guild as a result I don't think he fully understood... until he asked if he could still hang out in Vent and group with us and I told him I'd have to get back to him on that. KHB was very close to being cut permanently for what he did but due to support from many people in the guild, and yes in part to the time he has been with us, it was eventually decided that he would be reinvited to theguild. However to make it very clear to those who think his removal was strictly for pr reasons and that this was not a very serious issue for us to deal with, I will explain it even more clearly.

KHB did ninja 2 items. The only other mmorpg he has played was SB. In SB loot didn't matter and because SB was a FFA pvp game Nurfed was concerned only with ourselves and noone else. Because he never played a game like EQ the severity of his actions were not apparent to him. He Was almost removed Permanently, his forum privlages were revoked and he was kept in limbofor several days about what was going to happen. The 2 main factors that led to his reenstatement to the guild were 1) He has been with us since the beginging and 2) The main reason... he sincerely didn't realize how serious his actions were. As I explained to him and the guild, if not for the combination of these 2 factors then his removal would have certainly been permanent. No matter how long someone has been with us if they did ninja loot knowing how serious it is they would be gone. If a new member did the same thing he would have been gone.

Simply put though, KHB is a good guy. He's been a friend of ours for years and he truly didn't understand how serious ninjalooting was. As Niss put it, he did mess up but he didn't know and 1 mistakes isn't worth throwing away a friendship that old. Noone has any hard feelings towards him about the situation. Everyone makes mistakes but whats important is that you learn from them and don't repeat them.

Hell back when EQ came out I was probably the biggest kill stealer in the game. I used to hide on pillars in the Oasis and throw bolt spells down on crocs people were fighting and blatently KS them. It was wrong and now I know it, but back before I grasped the concept of Kill Stealing and understood how wrong it was I didn't think twice when I was nuking mobs other people were tanking.

[Rahvin]

Back when I was both 1) an asshole and 2) still playing Diablo 2, I'd go into hardcore games with my lvl 85 sorc, party up, lay down some hydras and then tp and go hostile(hydras stayed out there with the party members). i cant believe i was such a jerk now. its not easy lvling up to 80+ on hc the old fashioned way.

[CuriousJorge]

While I am not commenting on the desicion to let him back in, I think pleading ignorance is a fairly silly arguement. Even if this was his first mmorpg, how could a level 60 not realize that he was doing something severley wrong? There is so much talk about ninjalooters and even a webpage donated to making ninja looters known. It doesn't take a genius to realize that taking the loot that 5 people spent hours on isn't the best idea. Anyone who has been to kintergarden knows that.

[Nisstyr]

I dont think anyone was trying to argue that he didn't think it was wrong,its obvious it was wrong, i think they're saying he didn't realize he would be strung up and burned at the stake salem witch trial stylies for doing it.

[CuriousJorge]

I don't think he should be "burned on the stake" either. I don't know his reasons for doing it, but I was just saying how could he NOT have known it was wrong...

[CuntNinja]

You're all tools.

[Sasuke]

Not to add more drama, khb is my boy and he belongs in nurfed because you are all just that hardcore, but khb did play everquest. I forgot about that. :)

[Candax]

One question:

If indeed he did not know what he was doing is wrong, then why in hell did he immediately log out after looting the 2 items?

I don't want to be a shit stirrer or anything but that logic seemed flawed to me.

As a second side note I did not play closed beta and don't know any of the Nurfed members other then from the message boards. So obviously I can't know the full story and am not trying to judge anyone.

Candax

[Envie]

One question:

If indeed he did not know what he was doing is wrong, then why in hell did he immediately log out after looting the 2 items?

I don't want to be a shit stirrer or anything but that logic seemed flawed to me.

As a second side note I did not play closed beta and don't know any of the Nurfed members other then from the message boards. So obviously I can't know the full story and am not trying to judge anyone.

Candax

Hi. I've had enough of this thread guys, shut up.

Candax you -ARE- being a shit stirrer. You weren't there, you weren't part of it, you don't know the circumstances nor were you in closed beta so this has absolutely nothing to do with you.

Closed beta is over now, we've all learned from mistakes and testing and now it's time to move on.

I declare this thread officially over, it's old news... please talk about the upcoming open beta, your hopes for the game, your interest in WoW or Nurfed and shut up about this issue now as it's a dead horse and I'm taking away your shit stirring and horse beating stick.

Thanks.

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[Tivoli]

Last word, neener.