Warrior question

[Ishra]

ok i have thought for a long time to make a warrior but something is always in the way of my thinking.
so i think this is the place to get my answers from ("search" are all fuzzy and hart to find what im looking for)

1. What class is best for warrior (horde)
-I know its a pretty much a question of taste but it seems that alot of warriors choose to play tauren.. Orc, UD and tauren all have nice benefits like Orc - Kb/stun res, Axe spec. Undead - Wotf . Tauren - Warstomp, 5% health.

2. How good/bad can a warrior defend himself if he gets jumped (mostly pointing towards ganking.) can i run? can i just stand and die?
ive heard that warriors eat rogues for lunch is that true?

3. how should i spec my first Warrior to get good in the begining?
(in order of lvl)

4. Actualy how good/bad is warrior for pvp?
i know they are wanted for Instances and stuff but if we say solo pvp/ganking etc..


5. are warriors fast or slow expers?

6. Wich classes can a warror defeat in the field and pvp (ofc thats all on experiance. but if we say. Who kick warror? warrior kicks who?

7. Wich wepond type is the most usefull one? wep/shield, 2h Axe, 2h sword, dual wield, polearm? (i bet all say Arcanite for teh win!)
polearms looks cool imo :)

8. Is blacksmith/mineing a given for a warrior?


9. Are warriors still all gimped as evryone says it is? ive never seen a warrior in action though (only on low lvls im afraid)



Ok thats pretty much it ive tried to get something out of all the warrior thread but all says diffrent so i get pretty splitted about this warrior :?

All answers i can get are appreciated :)

[Matkun]

1. You mean what race is best. It's really a toss up. MS Warriors have no stun, so Tauren helps there.. WOTF is nice for fighting mages since it counters polymorph.. and Orc is nice too. Pick what you like the looks of, they are all good.

2. If outnumbered, your prolly screwed, but so is every class. You can always piercing shout and run, but no class can manage if they get ganked by smart players. If your ganked by dumb players, well, any class can survive that.

3. I'd say go two-hand weapon until level 20, go into Fury tree, then Dual Wield up to 41 (unless your doing lots of instances, in which case 2h is better), then switch to MS and 2-hand from there with standard MS build.

4. MS build is amazing for solo and group PVP. Protection build is only good for PvE. Charge/Intercept/MS/other stuff makes us real powerhouses in group PvP. Enough HP to take a beating until your buddies heal you, and plenty of damage to shovel out in any situation.

5. Depends how good you play it. Warriors do not have the "I escape from death" button that Paladins and Rogues and some other classes have, but I reached level 60 on my warrior in about 14 days of in-game time after retail went out, questing casually and instancing with friends, never actually grinding. You could do it faster now that people know more about the game and so on.

6. In Group PVP we can kill anything. Druids and Mages are most annoying since they are only ones that can root/cc us effectively.

In Solo PVP you will utterly dominate rogues(unless they get very lucky with stunlock), hunters and warlocks, if your good you should be able to beat priests and druids, hardest fight is paladins just due to multiple shields. I have never fought a Shaman one-on-one (strangely enough), but I heard that we are one of the tougher classes for them to fight.

This is all assuming MS build with a good weapon and good at PvP, if you suck, only thing you can beat is hunters, non-stunlock rogues and warlocks.

7. axe/sword/polearm blue 2hand with 3.6 or higher speed, epic with 3.4 or higher. 1h + board for tanking bosses in PvE if need be.

8. Not really, it helped me, but provides little income. Go with what you want. Mithril Insignia trinket is only real thing I am using from Blacksmithing that I can't get otherwise, and PvP Honor Trinket unseats that.

9. Warriors are far from gimped. They are one of the weaker classes at lower levels, but are real powerhouses once they reach 60 and are well geared. (Warriors are VERY gear dependent)

[Xzan]

1. What class is best for warrior (horde)
-I know its a pretty much a question of taste but it seems that alot of warriors choose to play tauren.. Orc, UD and tauren all have nice benefits like Orc - Kb/stun res, Axe spec. Undead - Wotf . Tauren - Warstomp, 5% health.

I'd go Undead if I were Horde, it's all personal preference really.


2. How good/bad can a warrior defend himself if he gets jumped (mostly pointing towards ganking.) can i run? can i just stand and die?
ive heard that warriors eat rogues for lunch is that true?

It really all depends on what you get jumped by, sometimes you can get away, sometimes you get lucky and win, or sometimes you'll just get completely destroyed.

As far as rogues go, it depends on the rogue really. I've been jumped by rogues and won, but I've also been jumped by rogues, they use vanish/prep and I spend 99% of the fight in stunlock. Now my gear isn't the greatest, so that makes a difference.


3. how should i spec my first Warrior to get good in the begining?
(in order of lvl)

I specced up to MS right away, a lot of people say to go fury and repsec at 40 for MS.


4. Actualy how good/bad is warrior for pvp?
i know they are wanted for Instances and stuff but if we say solo pvp/ganking etc..

Solo as a Warrior, they're alright for PvP. Again, depends on the skill of your opponent comparred to your skill.

In group PvP Warrior is a totally different class imo. A Warrior with a good Priest to back them up makes all the difference in the world.


5. are warriors fast or slow expers?

Warriors grind pretty fast with MS/Bandages


6. Wich classes can a warror defeat in the field and pvp (ofc thats all on experiance. but if we say. Who kick warror? warrior kicks who?

Anyone who can kite us, mages, shaman, hunters, usually kill us. But if you get the drop on them you have a chance. And again, it all depends on the skill of the players.



7. Wich wepond type is the most usefull one? wep/shield, 2h Axe, 2h sword, dual wield, polearm? (i bet all say Arcanite for teh win!)
polearms looks cool imo

Axes are prefered by most because pole spec is in a crappy spot in the tree. I was specced for 2h Mastery leveling up though because I wasn't sure about the availabitiy of axes.


8. Is blacksmith/mineing a given for a warrior?

Blacksmithing isn't really that great imo. I went blacksmithing/mining. The only good thing is the fear immune trinket, and if you pick Undead then it doesn't matter as much.

Alchemy/Herbalism or Engineering/Mining would both be good choices.



9. Are warriors still all gimped as evryone says it is? ive never seen a warrior in action though (only on low lvls im afraid)


I think Warriors could still use a little work, especially Fury/Defensive trees. But they don't suck like people say they do.


Hope this helps.

[Ishra]

Wow thanks alot thats very usefull information :D

This is my view of the races for warrior

Orc - the look of it looks cool when got good equip etc, nice with axes bla bla
Troll - no coments.. they definatly need new racials -_-
Tauren - also looks very cool big brute, nice with stun and 5% xtra health
Undead - Wotf is the biggest imba skill in this game thats why most of the serious players chose it.. i hope they nurf it so less ppl play undead thats all u c when ur in ogrimmar and its quiet boring look.. and they look ugly to when they are warriors

[FallenDevil]

Troll - no coments.. they definatly need new racials -_-


I do find this interesting mainly because of the latest patch "beserking" can be activated after recieveing a critical strike. Which, imo, is a vast improvement over the old usage. Being a Orc warrior, I cant say I have seen it in action yet but the sounds of it could have potential...and i also know that i am hit with critical strikes often(mainly from rogues). Also the regeneration that trolls have is kinda sucky but again, imo, every little bit helps.

[Matkun]

Troll Warriors are scary now..

Crit 'em, and they get +25% haste and +40% damage dealt.. scary.

[rage]

Troll Warriors are scary now..

Crit 'em, and they get +25% haste and +40% damage dealt.. scary.

I've never seen this ability be available since the new patch. I think its bugged.

[Ylathir]

Troll Warriors are scary now..

Crit 'em, and they get +25% haste and +40% damage dealt.. scary.

I've never seen this ability be available since the new patch. I think its bugged.

Confirmed in the Blizzard Bug forums... Once this DOES get fixed, it'll make me happy that I rolled a troll warrior.

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Jengo lvl 54 Troll Warrior (Burning Blade)
Ylathir lvl 51 Undead Rogue (Burning Blade)

[Coldfire]

As an answer to the second question, about being outnumbered... It depends on how well you know your class and how well you play it. I've seen Warriors slaughtered in 1on1 because they were retarded. I've personally taken on 2 at a time and won. I've seen Warriors take on 5 at a time and win. It all depends on your skill and the skill of the other players involved.

When I'm outnumbered, I tend to want to take at least one of them with me, so I go straight for whatever will die the fastest. This usually means Warlocks, Druids, Mages. Sometimes Priests, Rogues and Hunters. Never go after another Warrior or Paladin first, it's a waste of time. I'll charge into the middle of them if I can, Intercept if I'm already in combat, run if they're too close, and use Intimidating Shout to send their buddies running. Then for 6-12 seconds (depending on where the Fear sends them, I'm Horde so I don't have to worry about WotF), that person is all yours. If you chose well, you can take them down in that time. Use Bloodrage if you can, and a Rage potion if you have it, and just unload on them.

If it's a Warlock, a Priest or a Mage, most likely they're yours. Make sure you're quick enough to move to Zerk and hit Pummel if the priest starts casting a Heal or the Lock starts casting Fear. Laugh at Blink, it gives you a free 3 second stun. Druids will usually not fare much better, even with Bear form (which I've found to be a joke) and Hunters can't melee worth a damn in my experience. Make sure you get Hamstring on whatever it is you're attacking, ESPECIALLY if it's a Hunter. Wingclip is a bitch. Hunters and Rogues disarm as soon as you can, the same goes for Warriors and Paladins, but unless you have no choice you shouldn't be fighting them first in that situation. A Paladin is the absolute LAST thing you want to attack in a 2+vs1 fight.

[empty]

1) Race is preference but for Horde, I really like Orc and Tauren. WoTF is nice but we have fear breaker but useful for other effects. The best weapon at the moment is an Arcanite Reaper so +5 Axes means a lot, and hopefully they fix Hardiness soon. Tauren HP bonus and stun is immensly useful. I play a Dwarf warrior, so Stoneform is great for rogues. They are all situational in my opinion. I would roll Orc if I went Horde, they look so damn cool.

2) If jumped by a rogue, if they use all timers to stunlock permanetly then I can lose, but since patch, I have a trinket to waste their stuns/snares. And I have Stoneform. So I just hit that and Stoneform and I am unstunned/snared, I rend/hamstring and the rogue is crippled. We can also swap to a shield WHILE stunned, which is immesnely useful. Keep a macro handy for that.

If other classes like mage/druid/hunter jump you, it's a little more difficult then a rogue. But Hunters aren't too much trouble.

In my op inion, we are best at dealing with b eing jumped, we won't die quick, we have time to use a pot or a fear/mez to med or disengage for a charge and smeg loads of HP.

3) For leveling I really liked Fury up till about 50, then MS/Enrage is superior for leveling. Overall, MS/Enrage is the best PvP and PvE build at high end, nothing compares.

4) Warriors are nice for PvP, well equipped, wielding a Reaper. A warrior is something to fear, especially if you have pots like FAPs on hand or just a standard healing pot. Bandages are another must. With the new trinkets I find taking down most classes not too hard, obviously well skilled players of kiting classes like priests/mages, will still give me trouble. But the trinket goes a LONG way to making us a great class. I'm happy with taking down groups of 2-3 people with a warrior if I get the jump on them with Intimidating shout and trinket ready. Don't believe the hype about our weakness, we are a good class solo and a GREAT class in groups supported. Just we are dependant on gear, you need to really deck out your warrior and leanr every trick in the book.

5) They are medium expers, nothing fantastic.

6) If a Warrior gets the jump on any class, they stand a good chance, ANY class. We don't have too much trouble now ith trinket against rogues. Mages are always hard, if they use instant sheep. If you get the jump on a rogue/hunter/warlock/druid/shaman, you will win without your trinket most of the time, the trinket will assure you a win against well played rogues/druids if you are equally skilled. Mages are by far my hardest opponent.

7) 2H Axe, MS/Enrage build. Arcanite Reaper by far. in close second comes Doomsaw and Dreadforge. If you want epic, get a Obsidian Edged Blade. Otherwise, nothing compares to Arcanite Reaper. But nothing wrong with Doomsaw really.

8) Nope, Blacksmithing is practically useless in my opinion, I would much rather go Alchemy or Engineering, the consumables supplement warrior very well.

9) Warriors are far from gimped, we are now a very contendable class. But it's nothing great at low levels, at 60 is where we shine once decked out.

[Anonymous]

hey, about trolls...

you do get more damage dealt TO you when berserking afteer 1.4.1, don't you?

The way you describe it here it sounds like you get to deal more damge yourself...

evaluate plz.

[Palmen]

10% more damgage.... who givesa a crap about 10% more damage when your swinging 25% faster?

[Ei]

orcs are the coolest by far !

[byto]

... since patch, I have a trinket to waste their stuns/snares.

what trinket are you talking about and where do i get it? :)

[empty]

what trinket are you talking about and where do i get it? :)

After getting Saregent honour rank, pay a visit to the NPC at Stormwind, the trinket is there, Insignia of the Alliance I believe it's called. It has a 5 min cooldown.

[Xzan]

what trinket are you talking about and where do i get it? :)

After getting Saregent honour rank, pay a visit to the NPC at Stormwind, the trinket is there, Insignia of the Alliance I believe it's called. It has a 5 min cooldown.

Corporal not Sergeant for Alliance to get the Trinket, Grunt for Horde.

[cian]

They are all viable now. I personally wish I went troll or tauren over undead, because let's review some facts

1) Undead warriors are quite possibly the ugliest class/race choice in the entire game.

2) Rank 2 trinket works well for what wotf did - 1 get out of jail per fight. Wotf still has it's uses beyond that (no thx mind controlling faggot) but it's not the only way to unfuck yourself from fear without being in berserker stance now.

3) Berserk and War Stomp are both excellent abilities now, and complement warriors nicely, especially in pvp. Critting a troll warrior now means a very healthy increase in both damage and speed. Bloodfury is questionable. Better for rogues.

[keboman]

Undead have a racial with no downsides and it's one of the best CC breakers in the game, still better than everyone else's racials for sure, + shadow resist which is helpful for resisting aoe fears, water breathing, and uhh.. cannibalize. I'd say that's worth giving up warstomp and 5% hp.. but maybe that's because I learned to take CC very seriously from watching people play DAOC ;)

[multani.]

Don't roll a Tauren warrior, I regret it everyday I look at myself and feel lethargic...
I would have picked UD or Orc if I had the chance again.

[Coldfire]

Since Blizzard fixed the weapon skill cap bug, and the Orc's racial +5 axes actually works like its supposed to, I've turned into a ridiculous crit machine. I only have around 14% and I get at least 2 per mob, often as many as 4 or 5. I love my Orc.

[uro]

1) Undead warriors are quite possibly the ugliest class/race choice in the entire game.

2) Rank 2 trinket works well for what wotf did - 1 get out of jail per fight. Wotf still has it's uses beyond that (no thx mind controlling faggot) but it's not the only way to unfuck yourself from fear without being in berserker stance now.


1) Male UD wars are by far the best looking characters that horde has.

2) You realize the PVP trinket for warriors breaks roots/stuns/snares, no fear/mez? Its a completely different set of CC's. With this trinket, UD wars are literaly un-CCable if you play it right.

[cian]

I thought the R2 trinket broke fear too, in this case I would say UD is still the best.

[Jin]

heh, funny, i totally disagree with the looks. To me, an undead in full plate is the coolest looking char in wow. period. If not for the looks, i would've rolled a tauren warrior.

[Soulless]

[...]1) Male UD wars are by far the best looking characters that horde has.[...]

If only the knees and elbows would look like they exploded while still wearing the armor. :\

[Anonymous]

1) Undead warriors are quite possibly the ugliest class/race choice in the entire game.



Have you EVER seen male troll with helmet graphik shown?