How to lvl ;)

[wurzeltim]

yeah im a newb in wow ...but i would like to know, how to lvl up fast. im currently a lvl 27 tauren warrior(yeah the indalamar vid was a cool one ;)) and the way to 60 is a long way ...or to 40 ... =)
i dont care if i miss toooooooo much content, i actually like grinding :P
but because im new (and i dont have that much time testing) i dont know where.
can you say me in which regions you lvl up for good xp? and how should i filter the quests to be effective. for example 27-30 = hillsbrad etc. ...
THAT WOULD BE VERY NICE =))
and if you dont answer, i will still be a little nurfed fanboi 8)

-gl hf, lil pg wurzeltim

[crimsonjade]

quests where u just kill and dont need to get any specific loot generally go faster. i like to instance hop myself as well, especially since the group bonus is now in. at 27 u should be doing RFK ( i think ), then go onto gnomeragan then RFD. thats just my opinion tho..

[wurzeltim]

plz share a bit of your knowledge, im now 31 ...where should i grind or quest to lvl fast. and when you grind, what lvl mobs do you usually hunt? below your own lvl for a faster killrate or mobs with the same lvl as you are? where are good mobs for warriors ...

[IN-QQQQ]

Thousand Needles is where I grinded most of the mobs there are Lv 28-30.
After you done there, you can go into the Salt Flats.
After that go to Arathai Highlands (sp) or do the ogres above Hillsbrad.
After that go into Badlands
After that go into Feralis
After that go into Felwood
After that go into Urgo Crater
After that go into Wintersprings
After that you should be around 60 =)

Edit: This was the path that I used when I was soloing. For grouping this changes.

[wurzeltim]

wow thx a lot, but i have a final question, with what lvl did you grind in the areas? do you hunt mobs with equal lvl or with lower lvl?

[IN-QQQQ]

High DPS Characters (Warriors/Rogues/Mages) can easily grind on mobs equal to their level.

When I played my Priest and Shaman, I found it best to grind on mobs that are Green or only slightly higher then Green to you. Like the first level of Yellow.

[Saxony]

On my hunter I keep myself well equipped and I can solo elites my lvl. At lvl 27 I'm soloing in gnomeregan and the den for 300-400+ xp per kill. I will stay in an elite area until they are green, even though the xp ratio will drop you can kill them faster for faster xp, so ultimately it's good xp until like 3 lvls higher, plus the entrance mobs to the den are like 26-29 and they get higher as you get further in. The key is having a good bow and good arrows (even though it's a huge money sink you ultimately are gaining money back by killing elites you get far more green drops). If you have equipment that raises your dps in some way, otherwise I don't worry too much about AC, you can just have your pet taunt and unleash a hail of death from afar. If I get adds I just get agro on myself and keep shooting the mob my pet is fighting, it will be dead soon, so have my pet come taunt the add off of me, then heal my pet, back up and start shooting again. I would think that a well equipped warrior or rogue could do the same. If you go shadow priest you can solo mobs your lvl and higher pretty fast, close to non stop thanks to spirit tap, but I'm not sure about elites, I only played my shadow priest to 23.

-Saxony

P.S. Here's a hint: Engineering

[wurzeltim]

so open-beta finishes today ...and im sry for that, but i still have a question =))
where do i grind fast for the low lvls ..1-30 ;)
i lvled today in the "salt flats" and it was very fast so thx for that tip =)

i hope that was the last "how to grind" question from me (but dont feel too save :P )

[Stabface]

Well, I'm ending Open Beta at 48, highest level on my server (i'm fairly sure, anyway), and this is what I did.

Quest till level 40
(Durotar, Barrens, Hillsbrad Foothills, Thousand Needles, Stranglethorn Vale, Arathi Highlands, and then finishing up a few higher level STV quests. Naturally, with the new changes to Stonetalon and Ashenvale, those zones can now be used to level in more efficiently, and I may check them out during the barrens/hillsbrad stage)

Do instances one or two times max, to finish all of the quests to get the good rewards that there usually are, and maybe upgrade an item or two. I did not farm any instances for items, as when you level fast (sub 30) your gear is changing so often that it becomes less important.

After level 40, find a mob type that you can grind quickly, either solo or with a few buddies, and just grind it. There are a few select quests in the 40s in many various zones that may be worth doing, so check it out.

Late fourties to fifties and beyond, you can return to questing/grinding as useful quest rewards are rarer, but usually good enough to hold on to for quite a few levels. Also in the fifties you will begin to have lots of chain quests in higher instances that not only give good experience, but have the potential to greatly upgrade your gear, so you will likely spend most of your time in instances in the fifties and beyond.

If you choose a crafting tradeskill, it slows down your progress by probably 30%, if not more. I chose Leatherworking and Skinning, and as I wanted to remain on top in that trade to have an advantage over others, I had to take considerable time to craft, kill mobs specifically for their items, etc etc. If you purely want to just level fast, you should take no tradeskills.

Note: "Grinding" elites is never efficient, regardless of how great your gear may be. Sure, lets say you can kill them without taking any major damage and get a huge "phat" number of like 600 experience or so, but I guarantee you if you kill mobs +/- 2 levels of yourself you would have more experience in the same or less amount of time.

[Excrucio]

When I was, 35 on my priest, I kited 2 of the elites outside RFD for 1k xp each, hit 37 in less than 4 hours.

[aukaiman55]

My level 19 mage was raping level 24 thunder lizards

I think GRINDING is the best way to level.

The only better way to level, is to do a quest that is your level. (A quest that is your level)
If the quest is below your level, don't bother with it.
If the quest is your level, only do it if you know exactly what you need to do for the quest. Make sure you can do it very fast as well.

Whenever you see a monster one less lvl than you through three lvls higher than you, kill it. The exp it gives is good, and the time it takes to kill it is like 20 seconds.

All in all, if your level 20 and you grind level 19-23 monsters for two hours you will be level 23 in no time at all.

So, how to level =

GRIND GRIND GRIND (The best things to grind are creeps zero through three levels above you, creeps zero through two levels below you should be avoided but if you see them, grind them as well cause killing them takes like 10 seconds.)

If a quest is YOUR LEVEL, and you KNOW EXACTLY what you need to do for it, then go ahead. But remember- while you are doing the quest you gotta kill every monster you see that is 2 levels less through 3 levels higher than you.

And if a quest isn't YOUR LEVEL, don't bother with it (the exp it gives is crap compared to 2 minutes of grinding)

Never grind creeps more than 1 level below you, or at least TRY. If you're killing creeps 2 levels above you and you see lesser creeps, and you've killed everything else, then kill those lesser creeps and move onto another area (then come back later when they respawn).

For horde...

Do the den quests, it should be FAST (don't do the quest where you gotta go into the cave for the boss, it'll take forever). Lazy peon quest gives good exp. Remember, while you are doing the 2-3 DEN quests, to constantly grind everything in the DEN untill your level 4- then leave if you hit that point.

Thats how you do it, once you reach an area with creeps 0-3 levels higher than you, grind that area untill you out-level that area. Once you outlevel the creeps in an area, move to a higher levelled area (with creeps 0-3 levels higher than you)

The time it takes to figure out what needs to be done for a quest is usually a waste, compared to grinding.

If you know a quest, however, and it is YOUR LEVEL, then its EXP is worthwhile (as long as you don't spend too long doing it).

Example: If you're level 20 DO NOT do a quest at the crossroads.
(The only level 20 quest at crossroads I know of is the EGG quest which is worth it if your quick, however camping the EGGs and killing the level 20 scorpions is probably better EXP anyway than walking all the way up lol.)

However, camp taurajo to the south of crossroads has level 20 quests you can do (such as killing level 22 thunder lizards or lightning hawks, which are right outside) which a level 20 should do.


Conclusion/Summary:

GRIND GRIND GRIND (solo)

If you didn't attack it first, don't bother with it. Come retail theres bound to be TONS of people trying to steal a small amount of creeps -.-

Take all the quests in an area, go out to GRIND. If you out level that area but still have unfinished quests, just cancle the quests there and go to another area with higher level creeps and take the quests there.





EDIT:

Also, I forgot to mention. SPAM 6 slot bags (buy these when you're like level 15, buy 4 of them) They are only 5 silver.
This should give you 48 slots, enough to loot all dropped items (for selling) and keep meats to reduce downtimes (if meats will help you reduce downtime) or for selling.

[crimsonjade]

I personally always hunt with a warrior. I mean ALWAYS, since he is my roommate. I personally havent done the grind route myself because I spec holy/disc as a priest and its harder for me to solo than many others classes.

Would the grind route work with a duo? I realize that the monsters should be higher level than average because there are two of us. Add that we can kill faster than a normal person, have zero downtime and will get group bonus, could it be better?

[aukaiman55]

Priests can solo just as easily as hunters.

The grind route would work as a team, but do this first.

I'm not sure if grouping increases or decreases your EXP- or keeps it the same.

If it decreases your exp, don't party up (but you can still kill creeps, and just alternate who targets first)

If it increases exp, party up and grind.

If it doesn't do either, then figure out if you guys kill creatures faster or slower if you team (sometimes, two people teamed kill monsters SLOWER than if they were to just both solo)


But, yeah, priests can solo just as well as any class. Any class can solo creeps 0-2 levels above them with ease in 20 seconds, just use either damage spells or if you have none, attacks.

[crimsonjade]

right I do decent when I solo, but im not utilizing spirit tap or mindflay etc. my downtime is limited, but compared to grouping with a warrior its forever.

if i am not mistaken, grouping divides the exp by the group. so 50 exp total and 2 people = 25 exp each. however there is a small group bonus, not sure how its calculated. so in theory, if we can kill two mobs within ~20 seconds we would be making progress since we are getting group exp.

[aukaiman55]

Hmm thats right, Mages can summon water/food and be solo godesses, but priests have a longer downtime.

My suggestion is if you do solo, save the meats you pick up.

Also, I forgot to mention. SPAM 6 slot bags (buy these when you're like level 15, buy 4 of them)
This should give you 48 slots, enough to loot all dropped items (for selling) or keep meats to reduce downtimes (if meats will help you reduce downtime)

And, when your killing a monster- as long as you don't die (and the monster dies) you should save mana if you heal yourself less and finish the battle on the brink of death.
You can eat your food and your downtime is shorter.

A priest/warrior sure could grind teamed, but you gotta find out if you kill more monsters SOLO or GROUPED, if anything you could team up but instead of 2v1, you can kill a monster while he kills a monster than once one dies finish the other then repeat.

[Jozen]

I think bandages are a much more effecient and quicker way of healing. That's just been my personal experience with Soloing with my hunter.

[wurzeltim]

wow thx a lot for all the tips! =)
several mentioned it and now im curious, what is the best profession combination for a warrior? in my beta test i didnt spend any time in professions but i would like to know it for retail. i thought of alchemy + herbalism or balcksmithing + mining, i also saw the use of engineering in pvp but i dont know with what i should combine that. i dont like spending too much time in a profession, but a little is ok and fun ;)
i will play on a pvp server so engineering could be useful ...what are your suggestion on the profession thing for a warrior?
(thx in advance :P )

[aukaiman55]

Don't know much about professions

My advice is is to wait untill your level 25, below that you won't be needing professions.

As for a warriors sake

Right now warriors are an alright class (im terms of overall strength), but its hard for them to hold aggro.

Blizzard needs to give them two abilities

1.) Make target unit attack you; free of cost; 30 second cooldown

2.) Gain rage when members of your party take damage; either aura or activated ability

Number 2 isn't as important and number 1.

Number 1 also wouldn't be imbalanced at all in PVP or PVE, all it would do is target a creep and hit him with five million artificial threat-points, giving you aggro.

[crimsonjade]

Number 1 also wouldn't be imbalanced at all in PVP or PVE, all it would do is target a creep and hit him with five million artificial threat-points, giving you aggro.

so then the major DPS classes can open up a "can"? no... this is not a good idea in my opinion.

[Jozen]

Not only is it a bad idea for opening up a 'can' of DPS, imagine what it would do to raiding if one person could hold Onyxia's attention?

[aukaiman55]

No guyz, I didn't say it would hit Onyxia with 5 million damage, I meant 5 million threat points (which wouldn't be damage, it would just make creeps agro whichever has more threat points)

And if you're saying what I think you're saying, that you feel 1 person shouldn't be able to hold any creeps, like onyxias, attention....

Maybe reduce the number of threat points to that which is created by a nuking spell or something? So a warrior could "taunt" something, but it only throws like 100 threat points at it (and a nuke would throw 120 threat points) or something like that

[vukers]

mm.. to whoever is misleading people who are trying to grind:

It is much more beneficial to grind on mobs -1 or -2 lvls under you.
Killing a mob 2 levels over you doesn't give a lot more XP then killing a mob of the same lvl as you. Also, it takes much longer to kill one that's 2 lvls over you due to increased resists, dodging, parry, and misses. You can probably kill 2 -2 lvl mobs in the same time it takes you to kill 1 +2 lvl mob.

Downtime is also another consideration. You will use less mana, and lose less health killing a mob 2 lvls under you, so you can continue grinding and move on to the next one rather quickly.

[Jozen]

aukaiman55

Warriors already have taunt. And it already makes something attack them and moves them automatically to the top of the hate list. So I don't get what exactly it is that you're suggesting?

[aukaiman55]

Warriors got taunt?

Strange, I remember reading somewhere that warriors sucked at holding a single creep... does taunt not do that or something>?

Thats what I heard anyway, that warriors have a hard time keeping a creep on him... so I assumed he needed an ability that would help him do so. . . . . if he has taunt wtf was that dude talking about? (the dude on the top of www.nurfed.com who wrote the article...)

[Jozen]

Taunt works on a 10 second timer and grabs the mobs attention, but after that it can easily be taken by someone else. Taunt is not like how it used to be where you could just spam and load up the hate and make sure nothing ever got off of you.

Dal's article on the front page talks about all the changes to the warrior. And the changes made it so you need to use other abilities to hold aggro on yourself.

[aukaiman55]

Hypothetical situation

5 warriors, 5 mages

1 warrior uses taunt, 5 mages unleash arcane missles in the 10 seconds

2nd warrior uses taunt, 5 mages unleash arcane missles in the 10 seconds

3rd warrior uses taunt, 5 mages unleash arcane missles in the 10 seconds

4th warrior uses taunt, 5 mages unleash arcane missles in the 10 seconds

5th warrior uses taunt, 5 mages unleash arcane missles in the 10 seconds

1st warrior uses taunt, 5 mages unleash arcane missles in the 10 seconds


Is this possible? Or is taunts cooldown longer than 50 seconds?...

If this is possible, then nvm warriors are alright.

[Jozen]

I'm not sure if that is possible or not. You'd have to ask Dal or someone else more experienced with warriors.

Taunt is on a 10 second cool down.

[Ralrra]

taunt has a 10 second cooldown. It forces the mob to attack you, but doesn't give you any cushion whatsoever in the hate list. So the next dot tick, next renew tick, first arcane missile ot hit, etc. causes the mob to switch off the warrior.

Taunt works the way it's supposed to now supposedly, the problem is that against a single mob it's too hard to generate enough rage to hold aggro through other means (sunder, cleave, ms, whatever).

[aukaiman55]

I got it, so taunt just takes a creep off someone.

Then heres a good way it could work...


5 warriors, 5 mages

5 mages unleash arcane missles, creep goes for them, warrior 1 uses taunt to save

5 mages unleash arcane missles, creep goes for them, warrior 2 uses taunt to save

5 mages unleash arcane missles, creep goes for them, warrior 3 uses taunt to save


would that work... vs onyxia?

[Stabface]

Onyxia is immune to taunt
Arcane Missiles is basically a short duration DoT, if the warrior taunted off after the first or second missile blasts, there's still more to follow, making the taunt fairly useless.

it would be more efficient to just toss 5 frostbolts, and then a taunt as soon as they hit.

[wurzeltim]

there is still the question about the professions :P

[wurzeltim]

hmmm inqqqq and others, how do you grind in groups? i could perhaps grind with a priest or with a mage and im a warrior, so i will be solo hunting or in a duo but as you said, in grp the whole grind thing will change ...

also any hints for professions for a warrior would be helpful ;)

[Anonymous]

Use ur brain then u know which proffesions are usefull
BLacksmithing + Mining = New Gear
Engineering + MIning = Some usefull items
Herbalism + Alchemy = Pots
Id pick Blacksmithing.
The best thing would be if a nurfed member writes down what he does every minute so u can copy em.

[IN-QQQQ]

hmmm inqqqq and others, how do you grind in groups? i could perhaps grind with a priest or with a mage and im a warrior, so i will be solo hunting or in a duo but as you said, in grp the whole grind thing will change ...

also any hints for professions for a warrior would be helpful ;)

Instances!!! =)

[SYNthZ]

Instances!!! =)

Also places like Stromguarde (AH) , Dun Morogh (HB) and Ogre Village in Alterac (forget the name)...amongst others where going in as a group to face off the elites makes for a better xp / time ratio especially after you factor in the quests that you would complete.

Stabface said it best tho...rather posted it best in terms of maximizing XP. Quest till about 40, and find a mob and just keep grinding away till about level 45. At 45 your options for zones opens up and you can swing through the quests there pretty easily (StV, Feralas, Tanaris, Badlands...couple in Hinterlands as well).

Oh yea..HI! Been a lurker since I was in beta with you guys and decided to register/post.

[Anonymous]

I dont like grinding and im sure u can lvl with the same speed only with quest and involved mobs! Some months ago when the cap was rasied to 60 i lvled from 55 to 58 in one day just from quests (ok i was in brd most time :D ) I was the first PvE 60 pally and i hate it to grind :)

[IN-QQQQ]

I dont like grinding and im sure u can lvl with the same speed only with quest and involved mobs! Some months ago when the cap was rasied to 60 i lvled from 55 to 58 in one day just from quests (ok i was in brd most time :D ) I was the first PvE 60 pally and i hate it to grind :)

ALLIANCE has better quests. =)[/u][/i]