Best pvp class after shaman?

[crimsonred]

we all know shamans are the best pvp class but what classes come after them?

[Anonymous]

Furby's

[deathjester]

damn, too late :\

[Apotheosis]

I have a Shaman, Druid, Paladin and Mage leveled. I'd put both the Druid and the Paladin above the Shaman in PvP potential, so start there.

[Coldfire]

Shams are one trick ponies. Deal with Frostshock and you'll usually beat them.

[Prometheus]

I would like to add that hunters are very strong if you can the distance between you and your opponent.

Casters (including shamans & paladins to a degree) you can beat by keeping the distance and draining their mana low, after which they are a cake.

Melee opponents you can just sting to death (serpent sting!) as well as the occasional arcane shot/normal shot (especially if you have improved concussion shot and get lucky with one).

Then of course, once the opponent gets in to your deadzone... Well there are ways out of that too but more or less (depending on the class), you are dead :P

[Shotai]

I have seen what a mage can do when the class is played perfectly (yes perfectly) with all available tools used and I would have to say that a mage can beat anything having the most trouble with priests.

[dNa]

I have seen what a mage can do when the class is played perfectly (yes perfectly) with all available tools used and I would have to say that a mage can beat anything having the most trouble with priests.

No matter how perfect you play a mage, you can NEVER win vs a good shaman. No chance at all, even if you pay super perfect a good shaman(not perfect) will win with half of his hp up ! :roll:

[Inconsiderable]

Shadow Priest > All

[deathjester]

shadow priest means what?
i think in 1:1 fights a disc/shadow priest is best choice. and it is important, that disc is mentioned first,...
in my opinion the real power of the priest is the discipline tree.

[Apotheosis]

Shams are one trick ponies. Deal with Frostshock and you'll usually beat them.

Oof, you've obviously never faced good Shamans.

[dNa]

Shadowpriests can be countered for shamans there is no way to counter them. For example a good warlock with felhound beats shit out of every shadowpriest, dont wanna go too far but meet 2 lev 60 priests and i could take down both wof, fear, counterspell, shadowshield and some instant nukes do the job.
However i never saw a good shaman loosing to any class, totems and purge are almost free spells they dont cost mana and there is nothing you can do.. Shocks and windfury are another problem. Not to speak about tauren shamans with frostshock, earthbind and stomp combo you die so fast and you cant aim totems as fast as they can replace them ..

[Blacktastic]

I would like to add that hunters are very strong if you can the distance between you and your opponent.

Casters (including shamans & paladins to a degree) you can beat by keeping the distance and draining their mana low, after which they are a cake.

Melee opponents you can just sting to death (serpent sting!) as well as the occasional arcane shot/normal shot (especially if you have improved concussion shot and get lucky with one).

Then of course, once the opponent gets in to your deadzone... Well there are ways out of that too but more or less (depending on the class), you are dead :P

I have my G key bound to dispel poisons. How are you going to drain my mana then?

Yes I play a 60 shaman and I've never lost to hunters unless they just do some insanely huge crit on me for like 3K if thats even possible. Sorry I'm not too knowledgable when it comes to that class as I've never played one before.

[deathjester]

shamans arent a class really, they just exist to see which ppl blizz should take for gm jobs, so they try to form them a habit of being mighty

[Inconsiderable]

Shadowpriests can be countered for shamans there is no way to counter them. For example a good warlock with felhound beats shit out of every shadowpriest, dont wanna go too far but meet 2 lev 60 priests and i could take down both wof, fear, counterspell, shadowshield and some instant nukes do the job.

You must be joking.

[crowned]

shamans suck.. haha u said they were the best.. shamans go down fast

[Sintor]

I would like to add that hunters are very strong if you can the distance between you and your opponent.

Casters (including shamans & paladins to a degree) you can beat by keeping the distance and draining their mana low, after which they are a cake.

Melee opponents you can just sting to death (serpent sting!) as well as the occasional arcane shot/normal shot (especially if you have improved concussion shot and get lucky with one).

Then of course, once the opponent gets in to your deadzone... Well there are ways out of that too but more or less (depending on the class), you are dead :P

I have my G key bound to dispel poisons. How are you going to drain my mana then?

Yes I play a 60 shaman and I've never lost to hunters unless they just do some insanely huge crit on me for like 3K if thats even possible. Sorry I'm not too knowledgable when it comes to that class as I've never played one before.

Cross faction hunters should destroy you with kiting since they have a 15 yard advantage. If they don't know how to jumpshot kite, then they are SOL. Hunter is a finesse class that allows for no mistakes in 1v1 pvp. In mass pvp... Aimshot/multishot for the honor farmij.

[Shotai]

In other words, always be in Sintour's group because you will otherwise be leeched hardcore.

[deathjester]

had 2 duels against lvl 60 shami (he almost had as much mana as i have, pretty good gear and i am int/spi lvl 59 holy/disc priest, temp made for supporting in instances and in 2:x pvp with a warrior)

well, i lost both, first fight i almost won, he was oom, but loss anyway.
these guys are pretty agressive (their guild) and talk alot, but i think as a holy/disc priest it is just extremely hard in duels against shamans and if they arent extremely dumb they win (they make more dmg with their weapon than i with my spells *G* )

now my question is, what the hell shall i do against shamans if they're skilled for 1:1 pvp. there must be a way to win without luck, but can't see it.
i destroy grounding totems and wait with fear till they're smashed so i could fear during the cooldown, i try to outheal them, just doing dmg with dots but if they have 5000 mana and i have 5800, it is pretty hard to do so.

any ideas? i know my build is not really made for 1:1 fights but i dont like this as an argument really,....try to win in every situation, guess that's why i'm a little pissed atm :\

dj

[evilution]

a holy priest just has to outlast a shaman and hope he doesnt get a big WF crit proc on you when your HP are less than 1500. I would say its not easy to win.

[Shotai]

As a holy/disc priest I would rather not think about fighting shamans since I don't have to. Paladins on the other hand are cake for a priest.

[deathjester]

paladins are even easier as holy priest but i cant see a way to win duels against well played shamans (if they have great gear even worst) without luck or that they do alot of mistakes.
cant live with that i guess *G*

[dNa]

Holy priest are not easy if they are shield specced and you cant dispell GL with em... Vs Rogues for example holy priests are harder to deal with than shadow priests by far even..
We have a holy priest who wins a vs shadow priests in 1on1 duels even, he just cant win vs shamans thats all :wink:

[deathjester]

same here
shadow priests are not a big deal, they just run out of mana most of the time but shamans,..gnaasdfasf

[khan3817]

Shams are one trick ponies. Deal with Frostshock and you'll usually beat them. Heh.

[snyden]

Had to post after reading that one. Shamans are unbeatable? I have an arcane mage, and can easily kill a shaman before they even have the opportunity to cast a single spell. Im not saying sometimes, or if I can get a lucky crit, I am saying EASILY.

[Soulless]

Had to post after reading that one. Shamans are unbeatable? I have an arcane mage, and can easily kill a shaman before they even have the opportunity to cast a single spell. Im not saying sometimes, or if I can get a lucky crit, I am saying EASILY.

AFK doesn't count.

[Mithras]

Had to post after reading that one. Shamans are unbeatable? I have an arcane mage, and can easily kill a shaman before they even have the opportunity to cast a single spell. Im not saying sometimes, or if I can get a lucky crit, I am saying EASILY.

I call BS on that.

[skizzi1234]

LOL shammys are rough iwill give them that but first


shammy vs mage shammy with drop a grounding totem and mage will try and sheep piro ect ect depending on builds the shammy should just sit and heal them self till the mage is oom.... or the mage should play possem till the shammy is low health cs there heal and arcane missle them till dead

Shadow priest vs shammy can u say long fight... same deal drop grounding totem shammy will wana tank and interupt the priest heals as much as he can.... but i think in a fight like this power word shield would be a big deal and the shammy has a shield and what his wepon is...

rouge vs shammy i have a 60 rogue and when i duel a shammy i get kited/destoryed honestly hands down but they know i am coming if i was a ally trying to fight a shammy i wouldnot do it fair at all...

rogue vs mage first thing a mage would do sheep and piro useally depending on spec ice is good against rogues cause it forces us to use our sprint and then u blink away kiteing the rogue i suggest if u fight a mage blind and bandage your self... they dont have enough mana to kill you twice unless innervat is up but while they do it a rogue would wrek them

druid vs all... druids have alot of means to defend them selfs/ run they got dps in cat form ac in bear and can swim way fast in the water to escape... i hate fight druids with my priest or rogue cause its useally a draw during pvp or in a fight its whoever stuns the best

locks have so many get out of death free cards health stones soul stones sack there pet i mean talk about 9 lives lol i hate fight locks... i mean casters with 4-6k life thats sick...


basicly alot of fights depend on wether its a duel or pvp.. in a duel u know what u are fighting and u might have gear set aside to bea that class alot easyer then yoou would if it was pvp like i said i have a 60 rogue and in duels its hard for us cause there is no suprize and your foe has everthing ready to defend them self pvp your dead before u knwo what happened

i really think every class can beat any class i mean defent specs vs some specs are stronger.. some might be speced for raids and other pvp... does that make a class better then the next... no.... every class has weaknesses to another class

i also think why some think shammys and pallys are over powered is that u cant dule them from the oppsit faction... so only time u get experance with them is pvp thats what makes them dangerous...

well sorry abotu the spelling i was in a hurry to get off work.. but i had to post on this cause i think this thread is really right but i think there is reasoning behind every ones argument... i still dont agree that any class can just own another thats BS . wow was nto mad for 1 vs 1 pvp some classes are nto good a that but 5 vs 5 or more vs more.

hope this post helped a lil...

[Afgar]

If I was to bring a class into a 1v1 pvp tournament I would be pretty confident bringing a shaman. Things will change however as the game progresses. Warriors are already a huge force in 1v1 pvp because of new gear and easier access to gear. Rogues and hunters are both getting better gear and moving up there as well. Shaman shocks / lightning shield wont improve much damage wise until new ranks are added into the game.

That being said I play a level 60 shaman and I'd say I win about 95% of 1v1 fights without ever using a potion because I don't carry them. To beat a shaman you have to be prepared for him and ready to do what you have to do.

That being said, I think every class is equally useful in group pvp. There are many times when I wish my sham could pop a divine shield or an aoe fear in a group fight or throw mortal strike / viper sting and stun a target. Every class has something they can contribute to group pvp.

[Asp]

What do you think is the most efficient way to destroy totems as a warrior?

[Molakar]

Switching to a fast 1h, target the totem, destroy it, switch back to your nice 2h?

[Scorpicore]

Holy priest are not easy if they are shield specced and you cant dispell GL with em... Vs Rogues for example holy priests are harder to deal with than shadow priests by far even..
We have a holy priest who wins a vs shadow priests in 1on1 duels even, he just cant win vs shamans thats all :wink:

priest duels are usually won by who has the most mana and can manaburn faster
it doesnt matter if you have points in holy or shadow there, the 0.5 sec you gain from improved manaburn wins the cake

[Anonymous]

thunderclap them to death?

[JonChron]

As a holy/disc priest, it's all about manipulating the time you have inbetween shocks.

[Kaylos]

I am pretty sure TC does not work on totems. If you want to hit both at same time though, you could target the totem and then cleave or WW.

[Asp]

I guess you're right, cleave it.

[Molakar]

If you have a slow 2h cleave might not be so useful, takes to long time to get an attack of so use ww instead. If you party with someone let the rogue/wandusers take care of it =).

[undie]

shadow priests are less likely to kill a shamy because they don't heal as well.. if they use shadow form the fight is over before it begins.

all a shaman has to do vs a priest with silence is keep his hp up and not get feared.. if no fear, just not get feared then its gg.. and if you use 1h weapon/shield vs casters you Deserve to die.. you really do.

for a priest to beat a shaman you dot him first, then you wand tremor/grounding, then you fear, mana burn, let him shock your second/third or fourth mana burn.. then you redot if needed, KEEP HP AT MAX, cast rank 1 shield when you need to heal yourself, by the time he dispells the rank 1 shield, you ca get a heal or two on yourself.. also HOTs cannot be dispelled anymore..
most shamans don't dispell diseases ... abuse this
whenever possible mind blast and fear MUST be on cooldown all the time as a basic rule.