Rogue Weapon Questions

[DocBobo]

As a 2nd char i play a UD Rogue lvl 32. I intend to got for a BS Build. Assa to Vigor (with Seal Fate), Combat Sini, Gouge, BS, Spirt, Dagger spec. Idea is to have a high crit chance, and stun a lot. However i dont want to discuss the build (although hints and tips how to improve are welcome), i got some weapons questions:

1) Where do i find good low level Daggers?
2) I got the impression that good swords drop more often than daggers. For example: i had 18 dps sword with l25. I got my Glinting Steel Daggers at lvl 31. and the next good dagger is dropped by the lich in razorfan kraul as far as i know. you can get good sword in gnomeregan by the "spider" and as quest reward from the monastary in tirisfal. if you take this into consideration: Is a combat build with swords better until you get appropriate daggers? Ithink of better in the meaning of doing more damage, is easier to play, takes less runs to get items.

[Coldfire]

I would suggest you drop Vigor, Imp SS and Imp Gouge.

If you're going to be backstabbing, why would you want imp SS? Imp Gouge is about the most worthless talent in the Rogue tree, and IMO Vigor is next in line.

My Rogue has a BS build, and he's still using the Coldrage and some absurdly crappy stats dagger at 42. In my experience it's easier to find good combat rogue swords than it is to find good BS rogue daggers in the lower levels. You can always respec later, if you want to take that path.

[DocBobo]

well. improved sini is essential for pve, sometimes good for pvp, if i want to build up 5 combo point quickly (cs, sinis, kidneyshot or evis). improved gouge is as important as sini, since it stuns enemy, i can easily position myself behind the enemy (in pve and pvp) and can rebuild energy.

usually i open with cheap shot, then 1 or 2 bs follow, enemy turns around, so i gouge him, get behind him, bs again or do evis/kidneyshot.

have you any recommendations where to look for good daggers?

[Coldfire]

I hope you don't take offense to this, but if you need more than the base time that Gouge gives you to get behind your enemy, I think that's something you should worry about before what talent build to use. I reiterate my stance on both Imp Gouge and Imp SS. You're going with a Backstab build. The points would be better spent elsewhere.

As for where to look for a good dagger, I would say the best place to find one is AH.

I would also suggest you take up cooking and get the recipe to make Thistle Tea. It's invaluable when you want to brutally take someone down as a BS rogue. Cheap Shot, Backstab, Thistle, Backstab, Backstab, Eviscerate. The "oh shit I'm stunned" factor will help you a lot in getting off those 3 BS. Should be no problem if you pull it off right.

[Ratama]

I disagree with the advice you are getting. On 2 fronts.

I love improved Gouge. It ensures that if you have barely enough energy to gouge, you can still do it and have enough time to regenerate energy for a backstab before it wears off. Or give yourself 1-2 more ticks of bandaging (although I usually use blind for my bandaging time).

Improved SS is nice as well. I'd actually keep that as a backstab Rogue, because there are times I still use a Sinister Strike, even in PvP. There are lots of times when a target has a sliver of life left for one, and Sinister Strike is the most energy efficient instant if you don't have combo points right then.

As for a combo Cheapshot, Backstab, Thistle, Backstab, Backstab, Eviscerate is pretty much fictional fantasy. The "oh shit I'm stunned" factor usually wears off well before the 5-second stun does, and you find yourself rooted, stunned, sheeped, or otherwise inconvenienced just after you down that Thistle Tea and hit that 2nd Backstab.

Cheap Shot - Backstab - Thistle - Gouge - Wait 5 seconds - Kidney Shot - Backstab - Backstab - Cold Blood - Eviscerate. That's the closest thing I'm aware of to a full stun-lock kill that a single Rogue can do, and they are going to most likey have quick bursts of freedom in there to try nasty things on you still.

[arch]

I disagree with the advice you are getting. On 2 fronts.

I love improved Gouge. It ensures that if you have barely enough energy to gouge, you can still do it and have enough time to regenerate energy for a backstab before it wears off. Or give yourself 1-2 more ticks of bandaging (although I usually use blind for my bandaging time).

Improved SS is nice as well. I'd actually keep that as a backstab Rogue, because there are times I still use a Sinister Strike, even in PvP. There are lots of times when a target has a sliver of life left for one, and Sinister Strike is the most energy efficient instant if you don't have combo points right then.

As for a combo Cheapshot, Backstab, Thistle, Backstab, Backstab, Eviscerate is pretty much fictional fantasy. The "oh shit I'm stunned" factor usually wears off well before the 5-second stun does, and you find yourself rooted, stunned, sheeped, or otherwise inconvenienced just after you down that Thistle Tea and hit that 2nd Backstab.

Cheap Shot - Backstab - Thistle - Gouge - Wait 5 seconds - Kidney Shot - Backstab - Backstab - Cold Blood - Eviscerate. That's the closest thing I'm aware of to a full stun-lock kill that a single Rogue can do, and they are going to most likey have quick bursts of freedom in there to try nasty things on you still.

It's alive, it's alive!

Long time since I saw you post Ratama.

[Coldfire]

As for a combo Cheapshot, Backstab, Thistle, Backstab, Backstab, Eviscerate is pretty much fictional fantasy. If you get lucky, you can get off 3 Backstabs. If the other person has half a brain you'll usually get off only 2. There have been plenty of times when I've pulled off CS, BS, Thistle, BS and then went from there, but I never said it was foolproof. I certainly never claimed it would kill before stun wears off.

Cheap Shot - Backstab - Thistle - Gouge - Wait 5 seconds - Kidney Shot - Backstab - Backstab - Cold Blood - Eviscerate. That's the closest thing I'm aware of to a full stun-lock kill that a single Rogue can do, and they are going to most likey have quick bursts of freedom in there to try nasty things on you still.A full subtlety build can do a full stunlock kill. I believe it goes Sap->Premed->CS(by this point you have 4 or 5 combo points)->Evis. After that I'm a bit sketchy, but it involves vanish and prep. I assume it's just a rinse and repeat. I've seen video footage of a 60 Rogue vs other 60s, taking them down from full health quite literally before stun was over. Only problem with it is it uses all your cooldowns and you can't turn around and do it over and over and over.

As for Imp Gouge and SS, I'll agree to disagree. I personally feel that the Imp Gouge points can always be better spent elsewhere, and for a BS rogue, the imp SS points can as well.

[DocBobo]

well. right now the build works quite well. i got some probs with palas and warriors. others are quite easy even if i dont have a full stunlock combo. when i become lvl 60, i ll play a bit around. however i think its too early to judge.

maybe we can get bakc to the topic. i still need some advice where to get good daggers/sword. please dont tell me to check out thottbot. for me its since 3 days unavaible.

[Coldfire]

Auction House.

If you take Parry and Riposte, that will help you vs Warriors and Paladins. Works well for me.

[Watzit2ya]

Set up a Riposte macro so it always checks to see if it can Riposte after you Sinister strike, and Evisc. Along with the parry talent its alot of fun and effective vs other melee!

[Coldfire]

Set up a Riposte macro so it always checks to see if it can Riposte after you Sinister strike, and Evisc. Along with the parry talent its alot of fun and effective vs other melee!Crutch macros are no thank. Just keep it on your hotbar and when it lights up, hit the key.