Onyxia...

[Trixx]

So, has nurfed tried this encounter yet? If so, how close did you come to killing her? Most groups so far, haven't taken her down more then 98-99% of her hp. She's ridiculously hard right now, and I'm wondering how the horde has been handling themselves in there...

Beware though, aggroing her will set off the 5 day timer on the raid instance(or 3), which means if you were to join another group within those 5 days, you'd have to go in with the exact same 40 people you went in your first time.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-general&ThreadID=541834

[Tivoli]

Well the horde key was just made available, until yesterday afternoon only the alliance could buy the key. We haven't tried her yet, but would like to.

[Envie]

Edit: duh this is the thread I read the cooldown timer bug from!

That being said, looks like we only have one shot at it this week, and possibly one next week before the game goes final unless they emergency patch a fix for that bug.

Now that the key is available, I'm sure Nurfed will take a crack at it, but doesn't look promising for success with the -other- issues currently going on...


Thoughts?

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[thglid5]

Everyone's sucked so far it seems. Best was get her down to 85% I heard?

Damn

[kernel16]

Nothing rly to her, shes like 6 or 7 pulls away, each pull is like a 62+ and hard but nothing matters cuz once you get to her shes big and uber and you hardly dent her with 40 men and then you wipe and thats the end of it. And her flame thingy she does like one shots you almost asp the casters pft.

Blizzard claims they did it with 25 ppl meh who knows.

[Aradorn]

heh this is just like EQ encounters. At first they were impossible and now most of them are cake walks. All it takes is practice and some patience.

Vox at one time took 30 or so people, about 6 months later I beat her with 22.

Guess it comes down to how bad you want to beat her =P

heh this is just like EQ encounters. At first they were impossible and now most of them are cake walks.

Doesn't hurt that most of the "Impossible to beat" (AKA: It's too hard for us to beat so please weaken the encounter) encounters were nerfed at the complaining of semi-high end guilds. Let's hope WoW takes step in the right direction and doesn'tnerf to cater to the non-persistent.

[BrandX]

I heard a rumor there was a trick to it..

[kernel16]

I heard a rumor there was a trick to it..

We all jump on her back and start hiting her from there, she can never reach us there. ^^

Meh for real thou, idk if there is a "trick" other then we need to gear up on fire res and maybe coordinate in waves how classes should engage her,

[Kasake]

Bump-o-saurus

[Rekuul']

Ive figured it out! The trick to beating Onyxia is the same strategy you have to use to beat Bowser in the first mario game!

-Rek

[Kasake]

you mean jump on his head?

[Jumai]

am I the only one who thinks the trick to beating onyxia is mana management?

[Anonymous]

yes!

[Trixx]

am I the only one who thinks the trick to beating onyxia is mana management?

We haven't gotten to the point where our casters ran out of mana yet...
But we came up with a lot of new improvements to our strategies for our next raid. I expect we'll do at least another 10-20% damage on the next one. Here's a screen of how far we got her last night (or this morning rather) :

http://img100.exs.cx/img100/1204/82percent.th.jpg (http://img100.exs.cx/img100/1204/82percent.jpg)

(I wonder how the koreans are holding up against her)

[Envie]

I gotta hand it to you guys Tri-x, for continuing to try over and over with this bitch.

It's clear to me there's a trick to it, or something that needs done beforehand to make the fight easier... I thought Asiana had some clue or something.

I don't see how, if 40 of you are practicing this much, and are still only taking a quarter off her life, that it's a pure case of melee/caster tactics.

Thanks for keeping us updated. I'd love for Nurfed to give it a go, but the red light is on for that until next patch, or more info is researched.

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[Trixx]

Yea, we have a counter for the thing that's been killing us the entire time =]
We got a video of last night's fight (just got word of it), so It'll be on our front page very soon. Btw, so you know, warriors CAN hold aggro. We've had Airetnas (paladin), and Rytrearc(Warrior) hold aggro with her many times, just so you know IT IS doable.

/edit the videos are going to be delayed, because we're doing onyxia right now =] Or...She's doing us, whichever you prefer.

[Anonymous]

gl ! want to see some nice movies :) and lewt :D

[Envie]

I've been reading the posts by Airetnas on the general beta forums... too bad the open beta nobheads have to ruin it, especially that jerky EQ know-it-all fuzby guy, gah what a turd-nibbler, and a gnome too of course!

You guys clearly have the "seekrit" tool or clue to weaken her, but when she took flight in the cavern, she regenned all health back? Gotta be some way to keep her from doing that then...

Is it true she won't use her AE dragon breath near her eggs? I thought I read that you were using that as a strategy...

Of course I'm highly interested in all of this because I wish we were doing it, but even if Nurfed fielded all our 60s, we'd have to get a third more 60s to join, and from PvP server Horde side, that seems nearly impossible given the players I went with to try it. I only went to get a look at her, never expected to actually do much damage to her. That raid, with varione, Sarghoda, Flexxarita and a buncha other tools went terribly, as expected. Poor Zaknafien...

For once, I wish alliance and horde 60's could team up and help out for a common purpose.

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[Straem]

turd-nibbler



Everyday I respect you more and move Envie, you are a gift!

[Kasie]

I've been reading the posts by Airetnas on the general beta forums... too bad the open beta nobheads have to ruin it, especially that jerky EQ know-it-all fuzby guy, gah what a turd-nibbler, and a gnome too of course!

You guys clearly have the "seekrit" tool or clue to weaken her, but when she took flight in the cavern, she regenned all health back? Gotta be some way to keep her from doing that then...

Is it true she won't use her AE dragon breath near her eggs? I thought I read that you were using that as a strategy...

Of course I'm highly interested in all of this because I wish we were doing it, but even if Nurfed fielded all our 60s, we'd have to get a third more 60s to join, and from PvP server Horde side, that seems nearly impossible given the players I went with to try it. I only went to get a look at her, never expected to actually do much damage to her. That raid, with varione, Sarghoda, Flexxarita and a buncha other tools went terribly, as expected. Poor Zaknafien...

For once, I wish alliance and horde 60's could team up and help out for a common purpose.

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She regenerated because they were all dead :).

-Land

[Trixx]

At this rate, a few more days, and we beat it. We've been going on "non-stop" mode with this stuff. I went to sleep at 6am this morning, and missed 2 classes to get some sleep =\ Anyway, sometimes this afternoon, we'll have a video of last night's raid, when she went airborne. And apparently, there's no "secret" to it, it's just a straight-up fight, that takes a lot of coordination, and listening on everyone's part. There's always at least 2-3 people who don't listen during a raid, and overaggro.

Videos coming today. It's pretty long too, no one wanted to start encoding so early in the morning =]

[Spork]

Just in case you forgotten, I believe the resilience libram in burning steppes adds 15-20 to fire resist for an extra 30/40 for your tank.

[Ratama]

I was just going to ask about that. Assuming you are willing to even answer tactics related questions. Is this turning out to be a fire resistance test like Nagafen in EQ?

Or is it just fire resistance for the tanks and try to keep the fire breath aimed away from the casters?

[Envie]

Has anyone done this quest in Dustwallow Marsh?


The Brood of Onyxia
Level 45 Dustwallow Marsh
Obtained at level 44 Horde
Draz'Zilb in Brackenwall Village wants you to destroy 5 Eggs of Onyxia.
Egg of Onyxia destroyed: 0/5
Onyxia's brood has been scattered across the Dragonmurk. It is imperative that no more whelps be permitted to hatch.

Make haste to Wyrmbog in the south of Dustwallow Marsh. Surely, she has made her lair there. Track down the evil dragon's eggs and destroy them.

We will never reclaim Stonemaul Village if the surrounding area remains a breeding ground.

As for Mok'Morokk... I have other plans for the sod.

The reward is a rather unremarkable pair of (cloth or mail) boots, and nothing is said about any followup. It's part of a 3 part series from 43-45?

I'm curious about this quest because it would appear you're supposed to destroy 5 of Onyxia's eggs, which I would assume means the eggs in her lair around her. That can't be right because how on earth would a level 45-50 character be expected to do that, and this isn't an elite quest?!

This is a horde quest, not sure if there's an alliance equivalent. Also, is there a Horde equivalent to that epic quest leading you to attack Lady Patera or whatever her name is (human incarnation of Onyxia) in Stormwind Keep? How will horde characters get the key in endgame if you have to kill alliance inside Stormwind??

Info appreciated. Main beta forums are down so I'm continuing my research debate here....

-me-

[Trixx]

Or is it just fire resistance for the tanks and try to keep the fire breath aimed away from the casters?

Right now, it's fire resist on the tanks, and keep flames away from everyone else. This gets very hard once she goes airborne though, she lights up the entire room in a second.



I'm curious about this quest because it would appear you're supposed to destroy 5 of Onyxia's eggs, which I would assume means the eggs in her lair around her. That can't be right because how on earth would a level 45-50 character be expected to do that, and this isn't an elite quest?!

Hmm...Maybe those eggs are somewhere else in the world, maybe around the raid portal...And no, there's no alliance equivalent to that quest.

As for the key, and killing the human incarnation of the dragon, I'm honestly not sure how horde would go about doing it, perhaps you'd get teleported right there? Who knows...

[Spork]

Yep ive done the quest. The eggs are behind the raid instance portal (still in dustwallow marsh, NOT the raid instance) around the hills, in little burnt out nests surrounded by 3 or 4 elite dragonkin mobs. Nothing special, and highly doubtful it has any effect in any way on your onyxia battle.

[Asia]

Envie! Join us on a run to Onyxia, it will be fun if we can get you in there somehow <wink>

[Envie]

Yep ive done the quest. The eggs are behind the raid instance portal (still in dustwallow marsh, NOT the raid instance) around the hills, in little burnt out nests surrounded by 3 or 4 elite dragonkin mobs. Nothing special, and highly doubtful it has any effect in any way on your onyxia battle.

thanks for the feecback on that Spork. Did the quest end there and you got nothing else after that? Maybe it's just a bread-crumb quest to lead players to the general area of the lair so they can "discover" where she's hiding. Kinda lame though that it's a level 45 quest when she herself is a 60+ encounter. I would have expected it to be more significant.

Ok, so scratch that off the list of possible potential clues...

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[Envie]

Envie! Join us on a run to Onyxia, it will be fun if we can get you in there somehow <wink>

Hah! Thanks for the invite, I'd love to go, even with 39 of my closest *ahem* alliance pals staring at me like a bug under a glass, lol. :oops:

Only problem is, I can't contribute much as a priest since I'm the enemy... can't heal or anything... can't even join your raid group! :cry:

Oh well, poor undead me, destined to watch the living from my coffin.

*pout*

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[Stompede]

Heya all, been playing since beta during push 2 for WoW, and have been a big fan of nurfed since I heard of them on the pvp server. I'm rolling a tauren shaman for retail and hope to see you all there...

Onto the reason I'm posting under Onyxia. I seem to remember back in the area leading into Theramore, there is an inn that is completely destroyed except for a black shield that hangs on the top of the fireplace. If you are alliance that in turn starts a quest because you see claw marks as well as other things around the inn that you can click on. Then you return to one of the NPCs at Theramore and he tells you some info. This was a while back and I don't know if they've changed it at all but maybe that NPC holds some vital info on how Onyxia can be killed??? As well, maybe he has an item, such as the fixed black shield that can withstand her blast? Especially since the entire inn has been destroyed and thats the only thing that is still up.

Anyways, I'm looking forward to seeing any side make some progress on the dragon. Unfortunately i'm only level 52 and can't be much help. Good luck!

Edit: I did this quest on Alliance side when it wasn't fully implemented yet. However looked it up and asked some other people and I guess it was part of a different horde quest... Sorry bout that.

[CuriousJorge]

I also wish i was on alliance so I could do onxyia :(. I think horde has tried a total of once or twice. If nurfed wants to do it, I bet you guys could find another 15 experienced 60s. I would volunteer (and i guess shamans are needed for fire resist totem).

[Wiggen]

well im a 58 mage... i know a few other 60's in my guild... if you guys want to try im sure we will be more than happy to help

[Envie]

Onto the reason I'm posting under Onyxia. I seem to remember back in the area leading into Theramore, there is an inn that is completely destroyed except for a black shield that hangs on the top of the fireplace. If you are alliance that in turn starts a quest because you see claw marks as well as other things around the inn that you can click on. Then you return to one of the NPCs at Theramore and he tells you some info. This was a while back and I don't know if they've changed it at all but maybe that NPC holds some vital info on how Onyxia can be killed??? As well, maybe he has an item, such as the fixed black shield that can withstand her blast? Especially since the entire inn has been destroyed and thats the only thing that is still up.

I went and did the "Black Shield" quest tonight just to see, and it leads you to Brackenwall where you end up fetching 6 spider venoms to make acid with for the blacksmith Ogre, who cleans off the blackened shield and reads the word "Markoth" or some similar name with an 'M' and has you take it back to Krog, the Orc you started with, who promptly dismisses it as a piece of junk. Pretty disappointing dead end on that.

The "Identifying the Brood" line is also apparently a dead end quest even though it does reveal itself as "Onyxia's Brood" and killing her eggs per the two headed Ogre mage in the cave named "Draz'zilb" which is humorously "Blizzard" spelled backwards...

I was really hoping that might lead to more clues, but he doesn't say much more than we already know except that the dragon hatchlings everywhere are of course from Onyxia. I didn't finish it, as everyone says you get the 5 eggs and that's where the trail ends... Wonder what he says now?

So I spent 2 hours scouring all of Dustwallow Marsh, and aside from the BRS Rexxar quest, I think I've found pretty much everything horde possible except for anything hiding in Theramore. I never started the Rend quest with Rexxar so I can't do that one, but everyone I talked to said that's for the key quest to Onyxia's lair.

My biggest curiosity right now is a curious statement on the forums by Tigole I think, where he said we haven't even seen or explored most of Onyxia's lair. wtf... is there another part I don't know about? From what I've seen and read, there's only the one entrace, which curves down to her lair, past some guardians. What parts haven't we seen and who's explored it?

Also, Alcaras says 'Emberstrife' who is the other dragon (smaller one) in the other cavern south of Onyxia's is for the BRS key quest but that he has another line too... part of the Onyxia key quest. Can anyone verify or has done this? Emberstrife is a 61+ elite dragonkin so not nearly what Onyxia is... probably not too hard to kill.

That's all I have. :?

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[MrO]

The event is doable. It takes alot of coordination and focus. We got her down to 65% last night. She flew up in the air and shoots individual fireballs that deal around 1600 damage. Then she AE's the entire area for about 1600 damage. We are figuring when she is flying up, we need to go to her eggs on both sides and kill them off. Then we can have a safe zone for the massive AE.

I think the only problem now is getting every single person to work together. I am gonna suggest to our group we take less people with us (ie people we know only).

[Spork]

If nurfed does decide to try Onyxia before release and needs a few more I think me and battlebadger would be willing to sign on and give it a shot =o

[Envie]

If nurfed does decide to try Onyxia before release and needs a few more I think me and battlebadger would be willing to sign on and give it a shot =o

so noted.... thanks for the volunteering.

Now you just have to convince Indalamar to lead us, and all the Nurfed 60s to commit to logging in and giving it a shot.

Reading this: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-general&T=670379&P=1

... with reply from Tigole, makes me believe she CAN be taken down, but due to the retimer bug (6 hours) instead of 5 days, you pretty much only have one shot. <queue Eminem song> ... you only get one shot, once in a lifetime...

I really wish we could take that shot.

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[Aradorn]

does the AE hit you if you are behind her???

it would seem if you could generate enough agro on her, you could have people behind her that wouldnt get hit with fireballs or AE and just have the healers heal the main tank


/me wonders if main tanking will become a tactic in WoW

[Ralrra]

That's the trick to a couple of large evil dragon mobs in AC2. It's all about positioning, have the tanks with their backs to the wall aggroing the heck out of the dragon, healers on the sides so they're in range but out of the frontal view, and DD's behind.

Of course I've no idea how Onyxia's AoE works, or whether that would even be possible based on where she is, etc.

[Kasie]

That's the trick to a couple of large evil dragon mobs in AC2. It's all about positioning, have the tanks with their backs to the wall aggroing the heck out of the dragon, healers on the sides so they're in range but out of the frontal view, and DD's behind.

Of course I've no idea how Onyxia's AoE works, or whether that would even be possible based on where she is, etc.

This is about how we do it... the problem is keeping the healers on thier rotation. Melee attacks from inside her hitbox unless you're main/aux tank.

-Land

[DevNull]

Anyone tried the Net-O-Matic on her when she goes in flight?

[Stompede]

/wave Envie

Thanks for trying the black shield quest for me. Sorry that it wasn't much help. However while reading the world of warcraft website today (not the forums, more the interviews), on one of the pages its written that when Onyxia's eggs are approached or attacked, she becomes even tougher and increases her wrath. My thinking is, maybe the raid group should stay AWAY from the eggs and just take her down. While hard, it might mean avoiding and ignoring the hatched dragons/dragonlings.

Here's the posting, bottom of page: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/misc/insider/020/interview.html

Maybe get her out of her lair? Not exactly sure because from what i've heard its a pretty small lair. Let me know if this has already been tried!

[Scorch]

I went and did the "Black Shield" quest tonight just to see, and it leads you to Brackenwall where you end up fetching 6 spider venoms to make acid with for the blacksmith Ogre, who cleans off the blackened shield and reads the word "Markoth" or some similar name with an 'M' and has you take it back to Krog, the Orc you started with, who promptly dismisses it as a piece of junk. Pretty disappointing dead end on that.
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Did you try the other two quests at the burned out inn?

Besides the shield, there's a black badge you can click on the ground that starts a quest (it's on top of one of the planks, very small). IIRC that quest looks like it ends after you turn it in, but you can activate the escort from the Ogre on the road afterwards.

I also understand you can click on some dragon footprints near the inn, though I've not done that part before.

- Scorch

[Envie]

holy crap there are other pixel-clicky quests there?

I'll go do them tonight if I can get back ingame...


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[Kasie]

Last night we accomplished 2 raids that I know of (I was disconnected at 10pm est and couldnt get back in). We actauly managed the dual warder pull which was very nice. We got her airborne at 65% both times and somewhat hammered out our vs airborn onxyia strat.

The main change this raid... We used a warrior main tank because it seemed that he was able to hold aggro this time round. The first raid i recorded on fraps and was 22 minutes long, Ryt lost aggro several times and we lost as many as 11 players in 1 AE attack. The second one I didnt record but it was much smoother, basicly she stayed on Ryt the whole time we hammered her and lost like 4 people before she went in the sky.

From what I heard in Vent after this the whelps aggroed and wiped the party. In the first raid we wiped because the entire left side was killed when ALL the left side eggs aggroed. After that the right side was just swamped. It seems either someone aggroed the eggs both times, or they spawn when she flies up. Hopefuly not the later.

Unfortunately I doubt we will get another solid attempt at her before the servers come down :(. GL in retail everyone!

[Indalamar]

Yesterday I was considering attempting to put together a raid for onyxia for this weekend but since they announced the end of beta is today I don't think I'm going to even attempt that. I don't like doing anything half assed and trying to round up 40 people (who can follow intsructions) at this point probably be time not well spent. Not to mention I would like there to be Something to still look forward to on release.

[Trixx]

Last night we accomplished 2 raids that I know of (I was disconnected at 10pm est and couldnt get back in). We actauly managed the dual warder pull which was very nice. We got her airborne at 65% both times and somewhat hammered out our vs airborn onxyia strat.

The main change this raid... We used a warrior main tank because it seemed that he was able to hold aggro this time round. The first raid i recorded on fraps and was 22 minutes long, Ryt lost aggro several times and we lost as many as 11 players in 1 AE attack. The second one I didnt record but it was much smoother, basicly she stayed on Ryt the whole time we hammered her and lost like 4 people before she went in the sky.

From what I heard in Vent after this the whelps aggroed and wiped the party. In the first raid we wiped because the entire left side was killed when ALL the left side eggs aggroed. After that the right side was just swamped. It seems either someone aggroed the eggs both times, or they spawn when she flies up. Hopefuly not the later.

Unfortunately I doubt we will get another solid attempt at her before the servers come down :(. GL in retail everyone!

Yea, you came on the good raids. I wrote a strategy to getting Onyxia down to 65%, but I gotta check with a few people to see how they feel about releasing that publically. Problem was, after the first 2 raids, about 5-10 of the good players left, and were replaced with less experienced people. Though raid #3 was going great, kuradoberi had pulled a rogue on us, and stole aggro from main tank.

After that, more and more people left, only to be replaced with less experienced people. Was fun though, we did about 10 attempts on her last night.

[Ratama]

I hate to be "that Noob" suggesting things that I have no idea about since I haven't played to that level in this game, but I'm gonna go ahead and kind of do that anyway (but I'll try to do it politely in the form of a question).

Have you tried having all of the engineers place target dummies where the Whelps come out? If you had enough Engineers could you place Target Dummies and Land Mines right by them to help wipe out the Whelps as soon as they aggro?

[Kasie]

Though we never tried it I'm sure they'd life through land mines... I crit 15+ whelps for 1000 damage on my cone of cold, another 20 or so got hit for 400-500 and most of them still had considerable HP. I died 4 seconds later. I doubt that target dummies would live through 2 attacks