~Fire/Frost Mage (Will it work)?

[ButchrOSouls]

I didn't play a mage in the beta, but I think I know the class well enough, and I'm trying to make a fire/frost HIGH DPM build. I've not seen a single guide or anything written on any of the 4 great WoW sets I've checked out, on this build. My reasons for this build are...
1. It's not a cookie cutter build, in D2X and other MMOGs these really show no effort on behalf on the creator, when u make something that's known to work.
2. DMG DMG DMG, I luv nuking, and arcane's supporting skills just didnt appeal to me enough for talent points. I intend on buying all important skills, but my thinking behind major fire/ minor frost was that I could do mass dmg, and use blizzards waves of colding lengthened by permafrost to do both mass dmg, and help my own survival, also the best escape and do dmg spell frost nova. I would love any input on my proposed build especially talent point tweaks, and really anything or advise except telling me I can't do it. K here goes

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/RainMan5419/techskills.jpg


In other words..
Fire
5/5 Improved Fireball 1/5 Impact 5/5 Ignite 2/2Flamethrowing 1/1 Pyroblast 3/3 Burning Soul
5/5 Improved Scorch 3/3 Critical Mass 5/5 Firepower 1/1 Combustion
Frost
5/5 Permafrost 3/5 Improved Frost Bolt 3/3 Winters Chill 2/3 Frost Nova 1/3 Piercing Ice 1/1 Cold Snap 3/3 Improved Blizzard 2/2 Artic Reach

I know I should make some changes cause scorh i think is going to be my quick DMG spell, but I don't know what to sacrifice.
The above is the skills I'll invest talents into( above talent builder courtesy of worldofwar). There are the skills I plan on buying.
Frost
Frost Nova, Blizzard Frost, and Ice Armor,
Fire Spells
Pyroblast, Fireball, Scorch
Arcane
Arcane Missles Arcane Intellect, Amplify Magic, Mana Shield, Remove Lesser Curse, Teleport, Portal, Blink, Slowfall, Counterspell, Polymorph, Conjure Food, Conure Water, Conjure Mana Gem

This took a while to work out, but I know I have a mistake waiting for someone to correct me. My pal reccomended the site b/c he said every1 here is pros. ^_^ *Crosses fingers*
Edit: 2/8 Pic, and the talent points have been changed. Ty to Crosse for pointing some things out!

[Sapphire]

Enjoy all the downtime with that build. And the respec once you realize improved AE is important.

[ButchrOSouls]

I plan on using scorch as i said so there really wont be alot of downtime it has 1.5 casting time ( i think) so if needed then I'll use it. With blizzard and cold snap I t think that colding enemies and freezing them with nova will leave me in good enough position to attack with other spells. As I said above I'm trying to stay AWAY from the cookie-cutter builds, and part of that is having almost every single mage relying on AE. I know any build like this is going to have some time disadvantage, but that is something I'm perfectly ready to take head on.
This is my beginning build idea, and it needs work, I know that. I really want people to take some time and tell me how to make it better. I'm thinking long and hard about it, and I'm determined to make this work

[Crosse]

Well you say you want to avoid using AEs, yet really the only reason you are spec'd in ice is to get blizzard. Why not save all those points and go heavy fire with arcane (which is the really the utility talent line and is pretty necessary)?

I too have considered going fire/ice, but it really seems like an either or approach is the best way to go this spec. Going heavy frost or fire is viable, however, that may suit what you're looking for. I know some people who have the frost tree heavily spec'd and their blizzards are sickening.

This spec may be pseudo viable in endgame pvp (scorch fully spec'd is very nice), but I think that you'll have a very difficult time doing anything pve related, so this would be a spec that requires you to be fully geared and level 60. Blizzard is nice for leadoffs, but I think you're gonna find that you're targetted way way too much in pvp to use it and scorch as your primary damage source.

I find that nova/coc plus a fireblast is a much more effective way to stay alive when people get on you then trying to scorch them and hope your stun lands. Without improved mana shield or ice barrier I think your surviveability is gonna be very limited with this spec. Its a nice idea, but in practice I think you'll find it is not what you're looking for.

Sorry if that was a little disjointed, kinda kept thinking of things to say. Hope that is helpful, but I think you should play a mage for a while and try all the different specs before you try a different spec than this. My current build is not a standard one, but it deviates only slightly from standard 33 frost/18 arcane (i have 35 frost/16 arcane). Most of the current builds are prevelant because they are the viable ones, and the best way to find out what you want to be is to play. That said, fire is the best initial spec, so give scorch a whirl and see if you think its what its cracked up to be. Good luck.

[ButchrOSouls]

Eh that wasn't disjointed at all I like your ideas, and I hear what ur saying, but maybe I forgot to add something. I'm getting improved frost nova, and artic reach so I hoped this would be enough to help me survive by using nova. I'm also thinking about maybe changing a few point for FB, because with permafrost the total cold time becomes 12 sec, if I did my math correctly. I wonder though, where should I take points from?
I know without mana shield or ice barrier I'll be a rough spot, I plan on just using nova, blink, and a bit of luck. My end goal is infact a powerful mage, that can do mass AOE damage, but still be geared well enough for duel ownage.

[Crosse]

I think arctic reach is a waste of points if you're not going to fully utilize CoC and FB.

[ButchrOSouls]

Ty to cross for pointing a few things out. Working on some changes for the talents.

[ButchrOSouls]

K skills I'm going to rely to hlep me survive are. Improved frost nove, 9 sec chill of FB, Improved Blizzard. Permafrost will help all of these, and I'm told that each torrent of icy Blizzard recolds the enemy is this true? Right now scorch is gonna be my fall back for when all spells are unavailable. Although with cold snap for nova, I could probably evade enemies for a bit and pull of some blizzards, and let fire timers finish. Tell me how it looks NOW?!?