Why warrior?

[Nub]

Hey,

I wondered why so many choose warrior, when every singel warrior is complaining about them being to weak and just broke.

I know alot of newbies chose warrior's, but i see many warriors in Nurfed, and wonder why you guy's chose the warrior.

Myself want's to go Warrior in retail, but like to get some input on this choice.

[Tlear]

Correct statement would be: " Every single noob warrior complains that warriors suck"

[Inconsiderable]

get cancer pls if u think warrior is fine

[Grombar]

Stuff like this is why I stopped reading the blizzard forums...

What is it about the warrior class as a subject that makes intelligent conversation completely impossible?

[Aradorn]

i think warriors are fine in PVE, but in PVP i find a warrior a lacking class, specially since they're a very group oriented class..

[Firecrak]

Stubborness? I dunno, mines 60, I can't face another re-roll (already have a sham at 60)...I am starting to enjoy my warrior alot more now, just because he is, as said above, great in pve....and hope they improve us in PVP in the future, there isn't any REAL pvp, yet. Random paladin ganks are fun...for the first 50~ odd times. The game is too new for a proper pvp system (which doesn't even yet exist). Zergs roll to and fro. I don't imagine BG';s will be perfect, but it will be SOMETHING to whet the appetite while they get thier ass out of thier ass and fix some of the major outstanding issues with alot of classes (<3 to warlocks)

[Anonymous]

Okay, some might think taht a warrior is completely broke in the PvP department, but since they are a absolute Must have in instances on the horde side of the ball, many take them.

A lot still like the feeling of beeing strong and beeing abel to take a lot of dmg.

Like me, i do not care all that much about dealing Dmg, i am mor of a group warrior, where i take a lot of pride in keeping multible mobs or single mobs aggroed on me. And i have been doing fairly well.

but thats jsut me.

[Nub]

Among 6 replys there is 2 decent one's.

Guys don't bring the blizz forum spirit in here, will ya'?

[Dashiva]

Your question is too vague.

You are basicly asking why pick one class over any other class.

As with most warriors in serious PvP/PvE guilds I chose to play a warrior because I enjoy leading my guild through instances as the main tank, and I also enjoy my role in group PvP, getting up in peoples faces and causing them problems.

I could go into detail but is it really neccessary? If you don't know why you would want to play a warrior and you have to ask others why they do, you should look at another class, not look for support in this choice.

[Alqwa]

I dont like classes with average or high intelligence.

[Straem]

get cancer pls if u think warrior is fine

Look I don't normally say things like this, but you pissed me off.

Are you a bad warrior? You sound like it. I have seen warriors I play with Dominate in PvE and PvP. Is the warrior lacking when compared to other character? Yes, they are. But they have fun tools, those fun tools will allow a dedicated player, a player who loves to tank, loves the role of a heavy tank to thrive in both pve and pvp.

So my guess is, you like to be silverspooned. Wishing cancer on someone? Perhaps you should experience what its like to fucking go through that with a loved one before you wish that on someone else, especially because of a god damn fucking game. I don't care if you say it is a figure of speech, I dont care if you say you are joking. Maybe when your balls drop you will learn you are accountable for what you say.

The class is as good as you are willing to make it. Know the current shortcomings and adapt. Also, if you make it through a warrior now, you have less competition for the amazing fun and excellent looking drops that are available. So when they address some of the things lacking in PvP the dedicated warriors will be ready, and they will dominate. Your dedication will be appreciated by holy/disc priests who make the sacrifice NOT to go shadow.

[Entreri]

I dont like classes with average or high intelligence.

that one made me really rotfl. n1.
warrior are as powerful as u decicate to learning the correct playstyle. they just need some love.

[Selm]

warriors get all the glory on raids its gay
if i try to tank i get fucked ^ i even went and got sacred prot and a cute little one hand to get my shit knocked across the room while the mobs moved on to other targets
and a good warrior can find a way to beat any other class ive seen it happen multiple times
blizzard gives you the tools the rest is on the gamer there is no rock scissors paper
class bitches are 90% of the time a lack of skill on the whiners part or a lack of knowledge on how the char was meant to be used in the first place
the other 10% of the time the stuffs just botched
there are no high end raids that are viable without a warrior, period
that also goes for a mage and priest
the other classes however are interchangable tbh

[Nub]

Nice reply's.

That's what i liked to know, because so many whining about warriors, but i'm looking forward to TAKE some serious damage etc.

I like to know why you guys chose the warrior, and if you think he's capable of doing some damage in PvP. For me he sounds like the class, who require the most skills.

Straem,

It pissed me off as well, the cancer part, but i didn't comment on it, just thinking he was pathetic.

btw. sorry for my english i'm from Denmark ;)

[IN-QQQQ]

Warriors ARE very needed in PvP.

Warriors are the ones that usually need the Charges in PvP Pushs. No other class can really effective chage into a group and have a high chance of survival. Don't get me wrong you differntly need the heals to back you up and heal you....but that's THEIR ROLL. =)

I've been in groups where we were doing group vs group battles and I've noticed that when we didnt' have a tank to absorbe alot of the damage the other side was easily able to push us back and we had a hard time pushing them. The Huge pool of a warrior offes us healrs more time to keep them alive. With the warrior being alive in the enemy's face they have to deal with him or run away.

Warriors have their Roll, as do all the other class. Most of the whinning post on the boards are about warrios not haveing the same type of DPS a Rogue has. Which is kind of a stupid point. That's like a rogue complaining about not haveing the same amount of Armor or HP a warrior has. =)

[Lykan]

i have a lvl 30 warior in euro beta, and he dominates in pvp i can walk over all classes as long as there in the same level area bar a high warior, it realy gets on my nerves when people say wariors are bad in pvp if you actualy sit down and think about your build instead of doing it as you go im sure you will find life alot easier but this is just my view

[Silth]

Disclaimer: Human Warrior LvL 48 on Deathwing PvP Server

I only list the above so that you know my experience will be different than others, and that I have not hit 60, so I can not vouch for lvl 60 vs 60 pvp.

I believe warriors need a bit of PVE help with taunt, and holding agro.
For pvp though, it is so hard to really get a definitive answer, as the ability of the character class in pvp depends around 90% on the Skill of the player.

I know everyone likes to think they are really good at pvp, and pve, and I consider myself descent. But I know that I am still somewhat slow when it comes down to nailing all those hotkeys exactly when I need to without looking at my keyboard once in a while, or using my mouse to click on some of my abilities.

That being said I have had great success dueling all classes on alliance side, and in 1 on 1 encounters with various horde of my same lvl or within 1 or 2 lvl’s of me.
Paladin: about a 40/50 or 50/50 with me being the 40%.
Warlock: 90/10
Rogue: 50/50 This one is really dependant upon player skill, special ability timers of either class, and EQUIPMENT.
Mage: 10/90 Mages almost always win equal lvl.
Priest: 80/20 Charge/intercept, berserker rage, hamstring, rend, mortal strike, execute. Really that simple. I rarely every have a problem with a priest.
Druid: Duids range from incredibly easy to extremely hard, I cant post any definitive data, though my alt is a 16 druid and I win against almost any class at that lvl.
Shaman: 10/90 Shamans tend to be my toughest fight.
Hunter: 50/50 Hunters using twohanders and with a good pet can pose a problem, espescialy with that shot that basically has a fear effect, confusion I believe.

So all in all I think a warrior is pretty balanced in PVP, but again that’s me playing against people on my server.

All I takes is tons of warrior vs warrior fights to prove that player skill and items has more to do with pvp that class abilities.

[Matkun]

Warriors are undisputedly the best tanks in the game. Sure, Paladins are the most survivable, but warriors are almost as survivable and have tons of tools for holding hate.

So PvE Instance tanking, you NEED a Warrior period.

PvP, 1 on 1, we're not that good, but then again you can't have everything.

In group PvP, we dominate. We have the ability to near rogue damage, without having to position ourselves and be stealthed. We have the durability to take a ton of licking and keep on ticking.

Warriors weaknesses are their 1 on 1, and thus, solo abilities. Just since we have no self-healing, and no 3-5 minutes abilities that we can use in emergencies (other then the 30 minute ones), this makes us more prone to die when we get an add or pull more things then we can handle. Piercing shout helps a lot with that, but it's still there.

99% of Warrior whining comes from newbies who cry that they got an add and died while their Paladin friend threw up their shield and lived. They don't realize that their Paladin friend takes twice as long to kill things.

At level 60, it takes me around 30 seconds to kill a mob my level one on one. It takes my Paladin friend twice that.

In Instances, I sometimes out DPS our rogue just due to whirlwind and execute.

Warrior does have a few bugs (ie: the miss rate on special abilities being 4-5% higher then it should be, and excute taking full rage on miss), but it's a good solid class, and I'd say the most important class for a group, along with the priest.

[Firecrak]

you think he's capable of doing some damage in PvP

Sure, anyone can do damage with autoattack.

Seriously man, what are you trying to ask? Are they any good? Or are you asking if its a l337 class. Honestly, its a pain in the ass class, with the moments that shine totaly eclipsing the moments where we suck. Then again those shining moments are rare, but always a pleasure to watch.

[Karza]

I think the biggest problem facing Warriors right now is that 80+% of the people who play WoW don't really have a good concept of how to really work together as a team to maximize group DPS. For example, the Hunter in your group won't turn off the taunt on his pet and, as a side effect, the Warrior loses aggro and his rage build up. Net effect, group DPS goes down. A Warrior charges in on an enemy Priest and, instead of hitting Hamstring, hits MS. Priest Fears Warrior and is able to keep away from your groups Rogue. All this while your Priest is getting tore up by your opponents assist train.

Yes, those are simple examples but the idea is that success, especially as a group, it based on understanding what your roll in the group is and understanding that there are times your better off maximizing someone elses's abilities rather than your own. Warriors bring a lot of tools to the table, especially in group PvP. We can close distances quickly, slow opponents movements, take a beating, increase DPS for other group members and do very good DPS ourself. All these things make the group better and increase the groups chances with success.

IMHO, the only Warriors who have real issues in group based PvP are Protection spec'd Warriors. They need more tools to force opponents to deal with them before they are able to attack softer targets.

[Nub]

Firecrak,

Now listen, as everyone but you understood was that i wanted to know the truth about warrior's, i know it's mostly newbies whining, i liked to know what some of the 1337 player think about their warrior. I know it's not the ultimate class, no such thing.

Karza,

Nice reply i liked the fact that you understand the warrior object in a group duel, i also now understand it's only bad warriors complaining. And i also understand that if you play the warrior at it's best, it might even be on of the best class's in everything?.

[Sintor]

The problem with a warrior in 1v1 PvP is that you are TOTALLY dependant on the Random Number Generator to win. It's out of our hands in so many ways, it's not even funny. Sure, you can be a great warrior with superb ability and a talent for your character, but you cant control the RNG and that's all that matters in 9/10 of 1v1 combat for a warrior. Other classes can finesse 1v1, but you have to pray that you NEVER miss and at least 1/3 of your hits are crits, otherwise you lose.

Once you add in a group dynamic, the class starts to shine. You need cannon fodder, healing, and dispels. Once you have those three things, you are an engine of destruction. It doesn't matter if you miss because combat will keep going. You can build rage, use many abilities, and get crazy with the damage.

Warrior just isn't a solo class in PvP, period.

My hunter on the other hand...

<3

[Prometheus]

I dont like classes with average or high intelligence.
great reply, definately signature material :P

[Jinsai]

get cancer pls if u think warrior is fine

Look I don't normally say things like this, but you pissed me off.

Are you a bad warrior? You sound like it. I have seen warriors I play with Dominate in PvE and PvP. Is the warrior lacking when compared to other character? Yes, they are. But they have fun tools, those fun tools will allow a dedicated player, a player who loves to tank, loves the role of a heavy tank to thrive in both pve and pvp.

So my guess is, you like to be silverspooned. Wishing cancer on someone? Perhaps you should experience what its like to fucking go through that with a loved one before you wish that on someone else, especially because of a god damn fucking game. I don't care if you say it is a figure of speech, I dont care if you say you are joking. Maybe when your balls drop you will learn you are accountable for what you say.

The class is as good as you are willing to make it. Know the current shortcomings and adapt. Also, if you make it through a warrior now, you have less competition for the amazing fun and excellent looking drops that are available. So when they address some of the things lacking in PvP the dedicated warriors will be ready, and they will dominate. Your dedication will be appreciated by holy/disc priests who make the sacrifice NOT to go shadow.

Thanks, you said everything I wanted to say.

[Matkun]

By the way, just for the record, yesterday we 5 manned Scholomance, 2 warriors, a mage, paladin and priest. One warrior was prot specced, I was arms specced.

Did good whole run, never wiped once, final fight on Gandling, the prot spec warrior died about 1/2 the way through the fight, maybe even 2/3rds. We carried on, and I kicked in Recklessnes when he was at 25% health. MS for 1000+, execute for 1400+, normal crit for 900+, execute for another 1500, etc.

In the 15 seconds of Recklessnes I did about 9,100 points of damage. Warriors are able to do stuff no other class can, it's what makes us unique, with charge, the half hour abilities and so on.

Btw, the group was 60 and I was 59. Total damage done in the run, 540,000 points of damage. about 30-40,000 points of damage less then our Mage, overall about 5-10% less. And I'm the one wearing Plate.

Warriors are definitely not gimped. They are a group class, and that is where they shine.

[rage]

Here is my problem with my warrior: we are a class designed to take hits and noone is going to hit us in pvp so our primary purpose is out the window.

This leaves us with two options:
1) Keep tanking gear on and hope that some idiot targets you so you soak up some dmg that could be hitting someone who is doing 400 dps vs. our 100.
2) Go full dps gear and have LESS hp than rogues, slightly more armor, and a higher chance to crit with mediocre dmg abilities.

Personally, I feel that the solutions put in place to make the warrior have 'a role' in pvp have just as many problems as they do in any other game. In essence, blizzard hasn't really fixed anything. I am left with the choice of a wanna be rogue or a hitpoint monster who is always the last man standing.

How do you solve this problem? I have no clue. Personally I have accepted my role in pvp and know that once battlegrounds come into play, someone will have to tank things again and that is that. The only thing I can think of to make warriors more viable in actual player vs. player pvp is to give us a modified taunt ability that would only work for pvp (would unbalance pve imo) and it would be kind of a reverse taunt, similar to the 'shield block' found in DAOC:

Bodyguard - 'Seal' that can be placed on one player
30 second cooldown - Requires Defensive Stance
When active, gives a 5% chance to Thrust yourself in front of another player absorbing 75% of their dmg but causing you to take dmg + 25% (125% of the initial dmg, not the 75%). You do not gain rage for this attack and cannot parry/dodge.

This would give us a way to still feel like a 'meat shield' and put our absurd HP/defense to use because armor would still apply while at the same time not giving us a true 'taunt' ability that inherently unbalances pvp.

[Lodekim]

What I hear a lot is that it takes a lot more for warrior than other classes, I don't know if I believe that, but that's what people say.

I do fairly good one on one, but I'm also told by just about everyone I duel that I did way better than most warriors they fought.

We are pretty good in group pvp definitely, whirlwind with a priest shield and some heals over and over again can be fun.

The problem in my opinion is that while we're up there, the opponents don't really need to concentrate on us, they usually do attack me anyway and i get my mages or rogues time to do the heavy damage, but if they just ignore me for a while and take out my support that will be the better choice in my opinion.

Also Sintor is 100% correct that warriors winning is very heavily based on the random number generator working in our favor, I beat a very good shaman because I crit on about 50% of my hits.

Anyway, warriors are far from as gimped as people say they are, I do agree that they need some fixes, IMHO the bug fixes such as getting rage on block/dodge/parry and not losing 100% rage on a failed execute will help a lot. I also think they should put mortal strike back to 200% but maybe that's just me.

[Protagonist]

get cancer pls if u think warrior is fine

You should be ashamed, and I doubt you're mature enough to reply and appologize. It's a better forum without your input I would say.

I've never played a Warrior, so I'm not sure what they are like in PvP. However, for those of you who do, could you list some specific changes you would like to see to make them better 1v1, 5v5, etc.?

Every class should have a role in PvP, and a role they can excel at.

[LyonHeart]

get cancer pls if u think warrior is fine

Look I don't normally say things like this, but you pissed me off.

Are you a bad warrior? You sound like it. I have seen warriors I play with Dominate in PvE and PvP. Is the warrior lacking when compared to other character? Yes, they are. But they have fun tools, those fun tools will allow a dedicated player, a player who loves to tank, loves the role of a heavy tank to thrive in both pve and pvp.

So my guess is, you like to be silverspooned. Wishing cancer on someone? Perhaps you should experience what its like to fucking go through that with a loved one before you wish that on someone else, especially because of a god damn fucking game. I don't care if you say it is a figure of speech, I dont care if you say you are joking. Maybe when your balls drop you will learn you are accountable for what you say.

The class is as good as you are willing to make it. Know the current shortcomings and adapt. Also, if you make it through a warrior now, you have less competition for the amazing fun and excellent looking drops that are available. So when they address some of the things lacking in PvP the dedicated warriors will be ready, and they will dominate. Your dedication will be appreciated by holy/disc priests who make the sacrifice NOT to go shadow.

Yes warriors have their times... but most of the time they are the most griefing class to play. The most keyboard and mouse twitching, shortcoming class to play. Thus there are still many legit things that are wrong with the warrior. They are nurfed and have not been buffed(with an exeption of very minor rage managment). Maby you should play one till level 60 than see how much fun it is, through the so called dedication. You have the highest cost of repairing in the shortest amount of time; and the list can go on and on. Even to be able to win a 1v1 against the other classes you are limited to arms/fury build.

[Anonymous]

Hey Verb:

I was thinking about your point on how to make people hit us.

And suddenly came to my mind: Don't worry, they will.

It is like, when i run around getting into group pvp with my boys i see a group of alliance, i charge in nm how many it is. I have a priest who is a reallife friend, he will take care of me.

Every other class has possibilitys to get away from trouble, only warrior does not. Why? Cuz thats where you WANT to be: In trouble. What will they do, hit you? Thats right. I just tend to charge in there disarm one, dish some cleave/sweepings out, MS one, execute the one our rogue is pounding on (hopefully). Yes i have the rage for this because:

A: They attack me. Not only because i am the only one in the middle of the fight, but also because they think i am gimped. muahaha.

b: Rage potions. Now do not gimme: Same timer as heal pot. would be way troo easy if they wouldnt be and i have a priest behind me.

c: Bloodrage. I have never ever thought twice about using bloodrage to get of a Execute with some xtra DMG or anything. Again: Priest behind you helps your thinking about this. Now they wanna reduce the BR penalty. Man oh man. It'll be awesome.

d: seriously, i just pray to have that rage.

What i am trying to say is: At the end of the fight i usualy need a rezz. But noone else needs one and the others need a corpse run.

Btw: I think with the promised changes that parry, block and dodge will have a rage factor build in AND the fixes to rage loss at missed abilities and the fixes to miss rate of specials and the BR fix, warrior will be so much better.

To the cancer thing:

Sure it was not right to say that, but he got his ass handed to him by the first post. There really is no need to jump all over him now. if you wanna ban him from the board, fine your business. But no need for everyone to crawl outta the hole and say: "yea, asshole!", one post how pathetic it was is enough, don't you think?

[RubiksCube]

With all the people complaining about how warriors have a problem controlling hate/aggro, I can only think one thing.

I see so many posts in the US Forums everyday by ANY other class but warriors saying how "warriors need love".

I saw a hunter telling "Warriors need love, I can outtaunt them with damage".

Sure thing Warriors need love, but its their groups they need it from not blizzard.

Every class has the possibility to control aggro to a certain amount. If the warrior looses aggro to the mage, sure he can taunt. If he then looses aggro to the hunter, the hunter will be pounded on until the taunt timer is up again.

I think warriors are a good class and I value a good warrior more than anything, so I HELP him retain aggro. Cuz if he has aggro I can make damage. So I dont think the warrior has a problem in the PvE department, its the mage who doesnt care for anything but to make teh 1337 uberdamage™ who makes it a problem.

Considering PvP, sure 1on1 the warrior can beat some classes sometimes, but he lacks right there. In group PvP its all about the momentum. Basically what twodogs said.

[Inconsiderable]

get cancer pls if u think warrior is fine

Look I don't normally say things like this, but you pissed me off.

Are you a bad warrior? You sound like it.

Forgot to reply:

Warrior can do pretty good, thats out of question. Personally I wonder how I can kill a mage. What did this guy screw up that I could kill him? My Warr had decent equip but only a medium weapon. Still I managed to take down priests and mages, but mainly because of the big sign next to their head telling me "NEWB".
Its out of question that warriors need a fix (thunderclap anyone?), but if some people keep spamming the boards with "WARRIOR IS FINE", Blizzard could be tricked into believing that warrior is fine. There will always be some people that will play any fucked up class and tell everybody its fine, when its obviously not.
And im really done with all the stupid paladins yelling around "LAERN HOW TO PLAY YUOR CLASS!11" when they claim to have no dps and other shit. Mainly the newbs that use divine shield to heal up instead of using a bandage.

After playing my Warrior, I used beta to share accounts and to play other classes to 60 (like shaman). After giving so many classes a try, I really give a fuck what someone thinks about warrior and his balancing, as long as he has no high lvl warrior himself. Nothing felt better than playing a shadow priests and having mages running away from me after hanging around in the area for half an hour. I was used to run away from mages.
It can really screw your fun if you waste hours, days, weeks, to level some character up, get him decent equip and some classes will beat the crap out of you playing naked, without a single item.
When I played my shaman, again I knew that I will never play warrior again for a simple reason: No matter what enemies I saw, it was like "Oh rogue, i gotta be careful" or "Warlock, fear will be a pita". But Warrior was like "Haha, here I come!". And it took my 2 keys to kill them.

Warriors isnt fine. You know it. And I hate people saying it. You need them, yes. But they are not fine.

Sorry if I pissed someone off, its an insider I shouldnt use on public boards. I would edit it, but no point after being quoted and flamed :/

[Anonymous]

Okay, so shaman has some issues dealing with Warlocks and Rogues.

Tell me what was the classes you had mostly no trouble with soloing as a warrior? Rogue and warlock, exactly.

I do not say warrior is fine the way he is, but people make him look way worse than he is.

I think with the afore mentioned changes warrior will be okay.

[Inconsiderable]

I think there is a difference between:

1) Warrior is fine.

2) 31arms20fury-crit-Warrior-with-free-action-potions is fine.

But yes, Warlocks are to vulnerable without fear. But I disagree on the Rogue Part. Some Rogues know how to kill warriors. Playing against them makes it pretty even. I would rather put Hunters in. Frosttrap can be a pain, but I think Warr vs Hunter is as even as it can get for a warrior.

[Anonymous]

Well okay, SOME Rogues know how to beat a warrior.

But than again SOME Paladins do NOT know how to.

Funny, isn't it?

I agree. Warriors are a lil gimped. They yould use a lil' love.
Are they completely broken? Don't think so.