PvP strat for a alliance holy priest

[lethial]

First I will say that UD melee will rock my world period, now that is out of the way...:)

I spent a long time dueling over and over again with other alliance people. I can manage against most casters, but I have to be very careful in timing everything:( Warriors I can take if they don't have that fear-immune trinket up. Rogues are tough and w/o pot I will loose everytime (However, I noticed that any points in shadow tree up to flay would give priest much higher success rate against rogues, the increased DPS and snare is barely enough to take out a rogue )

Now of all the classes, I had the most problem against druids... I just don't have a good strat for them...

I don't have enough dps to drop a druid while it is feard, and I cannot mana burn when they are in either bear or cat form... So here is what they do..

bear or cat form, and melee, eventually i will fear and nuke
but at best i get them down to 20% then the druid transform, HoT himself and instant heals himself (with talent I think)
Now my mana pool is pretty depleted, but druid just turn to bear form again and proceed to pound on me, I fear and nuke for another round
And again they transform and heal (and they have most of their mana replenished...)

So any of you have a strat to fight druid as a non-shadow priest?

Edit: Err nvm I figured it out, I was stupid ... disregard my comment on druid plz :oops:

thanks

[l-c]

rofl dude...go to westfall farm some nets up and u can beat the UD rogue not expecting it.
Druids are retarded easy for a priest with a brain. Go with Disc/Shadow hybrid if your duoing or solo pvp.
If your human u can just own a druid with feedback.

[lethial]

Heh like I said disregard the comment about druids. (Though they are not as easy as you say ) But as for the nets, you mean the ones from defias? (I will have to give it a try )

I have been a shadow priest before, but frankly I see myself more useful as a holy priest. (This is after 7 respecs)

Last time I checked I do have a brain, but it just so happens that it is the size of a peanut :lol:

[Tivoli]

rofl dude...go to westfall farm some nets up and u can beat the UD rogue not expecting it.
Druids are retarded easy for a priest with a brain. Go with Disc/Shadow hybrid if your duoing or solo pvp.
If your human u can just own a druid with feedback.

A good Druid will beat a holy priest every time because they can outlast a priest, most druids aren't as skilled at their class though.

I win most of my duels holy/disc specced, undead warriors/rogues included. The classes that usually win are Druids that play like Scorch (he is the only one that i have seen play the way he does), decent shamans, mages with their talent abilities up, warlocks with a felhound.

[Shotai]

A good Druid will beat a holy priest every time because they can outlast a priest,most druids aren't as skilled at their class though.

I win most of my duels holy/disc specced, undead warriors/rogues included.

I concur. Im holy/disc spec and I put a woopin on warriors and rogues because they cant heal and I just seem to put out more damage and heals than they do damage. When I use fear I heal first then nuke after.

Most druids are idiots with their classes. Example: yesterday when I was 41, I came across a 47 druid that spammed moonfire on me until he ran out of mana (?!?) and then I just killed him as he tried to melee me in night elf form (!?!?!). I try to conserve mana for heals and finishing blows on most enemies; I mostly just run circles around them using dagger and wand.

Also if you have Mental Agility then using Renew instead of Flash Heal whenever possible is good.

[Nox]

rofl dude...go to westfall farm some nets up and u can beat the UD rogue not expecting it.
Druids are retarded easy for a priest with a brain. Go with Disc/Shadow hybrid if your duoing or solo pvp.
If your human u can just own a druid with feedback.

A good Druid will beat a holy priest every time because they can outlast a priest, most druids aren't as skilled at their class though.

I win most of my duels holy/disc specced, undead warriors/rogues included. The classes that usually win are Druids that play like Scorch (he is the only one that i have seen play the way he does), decent shamans, mages with their talent abilities up, warlocks with a felhound.

In my -entire- career in wow I have maybe fought good druids twice. I realized it only afterwards when I did, because they pwned me - and like you said, they did things I never saw anyone else do.

So, druids can sleep a hunter pet - I would never ever have known this except one druid did it. None else, in any of the hundreds of times I fought druids ever did anything like that. Rooted me, dotted me, and rengenned themselves then went into bear form and kicked teh crap out of me.

I remember it well.

Are druids particularly easy to play badly? Why are there so many terrible ones?

[Shotai]

In my -entire- career in wow I have maybe fought good druids twice. I realized it only afterwards when I did, because they pwned me - and like you said, they did things I never saw anyone else do.

So, druids can sleep a hunter pet - I would never ever have known this except one druid did it. None else, in any of the hundreds of times I fought druids ever did anything like that. Rooted me, dotted me, and rengenned themselves then went into bear form and kicked teh crap out of me.

I remember it well.

Are druids particularly easy to play badly? Why are there so many terrible ones?

Most people in this game aren't really all that skilled in PvP. You just don't notice it except when one of them is playing a class with alot of tools that makes it so you actually have to work for a win instead of spamming a couple of buttons.

[Apotheosis]

Nox: Having played three classes extensively now (druid, shaman, and paladin), I think my conclusion is that versatility breeds mediocre play. Put another way, classes that can do a multitude of things make decisions on how to use what skills -- and when to use them -- more difficult. As a paladin, my choices have been much simpler: I literally have only a standard melee attack to do damage. I can put effects on that weapon, of course; but put simply, that's all pallies get, and as such I haven't seen any truly awful 1 vs 1 paladins like I have druids.

When there are a lot of different ways to play the character, finding the RIGHT way becomes more difficult.

[lethial]

Heh I guess I am not imagining things. Like i said I have the most problem with druids and rogues. As an alliance I have hard time keeping a UD rogue off of me for long enough to get enough heal in...

The only thing that I found that is semi- effective against a druid's rejuv, then bear form combo is dispell nuke, and fear when they come out of bear form to heal and then continue to nuke.
I also use mana burn to force them to not stay in non-bear form for too long so they dont' get to heal to full.

[vexd]

A good Druid will beat a holy priest every time because they can outlast a priest, most druids aren't as skilled at their class though.

It is simply impossible for a druid to beat a priest in duels. It always comes down to a mana battle, and considering we start off with about 1k less mana than a priest, not to mention their ability to dispel innervate -- the fight is almost always impossible to win.

You can argue bear charge, or cat form, or moonfire spam, or starfire, or any of that other bullshit, but we simply dont have the output capabilities in terms of mana efficiency that a priest has.

If neither the priest nor the druid makes an error in play, the priest will always win.

tools < dispel

[Dendriath]

Today I've had a really annoying but good Druid against me ( Priest ), and we both just wouldn't die. We went through maybe 4 potion rounds but he ran away in tiger form. I saw him a few mins later and we waved. Was quite funny. ^^

[Apotheosis]

Vexd: In my experience playing the druid class, I defeat priests considerably more often than I lose to them; moreover, I do not consider myself a particularly skilled druid. The best druids I've seen beat priests almost every time. 1 v 1 priests dont have a lot of weaknesses, but Druids do appear to be one of them.

[lethial]

Heh any of you play on frostwolf? We need to settle this grand debate :P

[Shotai]

Vexd: In my experience playing the druid class, I defeat priests considerably more often than I lose to them; moreover, I do not consider myself a particularly skilled druid. The best druids I've seen beat priests almost every time. 1 v 1 priests dont have a lot of weaknesses, but Druids do appear to be one of them.

Not to argue here, but the only real priest weakness is Paladin. Simply because, no offense to Paladins, it doesn't take nearly as much skill to play one as it does to play, for instance, a Druid or Hunter.

It all comes down to how each person plays their character (which playstyle they use) and their skill with that class.

However, if you take a Druid and you take a Priest, both perfect players using all tools, I think that a Druid should beat a Priest.

[Tlear]

Never tested this but can you break defias net with Vanish? If not UD rogues alwayse have the glue which is the equivalent of the net. It is also much easier for UD priest to fight any non-dispeller class, devouring plague..

[fraye]

Example: yesterday when I was 41, I came across a 47 druid that spammed moonfire on me until he ran out of mana (?!?) and then I just killed him as he tried to melee me in night elf form (!?!?!)

Shapeshifting takes mana.. :)

[Shotai]

Example: yesterday when I was 41, I came across a 47 druid that spammed moonfire on me until he ran out of mana (?!?) and then I just killed him as he tried to melee me in night elf form (!?!?!)

Shapeshifting takes mana.. :)

That's not the point, he couldn't shapeshift cause he was too busy spamming moonfire while seeing that it wasnt working past flashheal.

[Scorch]

That's not the point, he couldn't shapeshift cause he was too busy spamming moonfire while seeing that it wasnt working past flashheal.

Heh, that's just bad.

As a Druid in duels my easiest matches are Priests (both types), Warriors, Hunters. With Rogues and Mages (with cooldowns) they are more evenly matched. I lose to Warlocks, Paladins, and Shamans.

Overall that's pretty balance dueling-wise. 'Real PVP' though I often have trouble with Priests.

[Apotheosis]

Why is paladin a weakness to priest? So far Ive had much more success with my druid (level 51) than my paladin (level 54). Priests just fear me then mana burn my pally to death. I can break fear once to heal and prevent burn with my invuln, but they can just heal up in that time as well. Then they fear me again, and I'm screwed at that point. That's what I've found, anyway. The key to druid is not being able to get mana burned.

[Shotai]

Why is paladin a weakness to priest? So far Ive had much more success with my druid (level 51) than my paladin (level 54). Priests just fear me then mana burn my pally to death. I can break fear once to heal and prevent burn with my invuln, but they can just heal up in that time as well. Then they fear me again, and I'm screwed at that point. That's what I've found, anyway. The key to druid is not being able to get mana burned.

I never seem to burn enough mana against a pally when he's feared, he goes out of range/chugs a mana pot and then im toast.

[l-c]

That's not the point, he couldn't shapeshift cause he was too busy spamming moonfire while seeing that it wasnt working past flashheal.

Heh, that's just bad.

As a Druid in duels my easiest matches are Priests (both types), Warriors, Hunters. With Rogues and Mages (with cooldowns) they are more evenly matched. I lose to Warlocks, Paladins, and Shamans.

Overall that's pretty balance dueling-wise. 'Real PVP' though I often have trouble with Priests.

I dont know how ur doing it but every druid ive fought gets dropped. I outlast the druids by alot. Im curious what your doing to beat em so easily.

[vexd]

That's not the point, he couldn't shapeshift cause he was too busy spamming moonfire while seeing that it wasnt working past flashheal.

Heh, that's just bad.

As a Druid in duels my easiest matches are Priests (both types), Warriors, Hunters. With Rogues and Mages (with cooldowns) they are more evenly matched. I lose to Warlocks, Paladins, and Shamans.

Overall that's pretty balance dueling-wise. 'Real PVP' though I often have trouble with Priests.

Root and scoot on those pallies, use lvl 2 moonfire on shammy totems and play root and scoot with them as well, and warlocks just play em like mages (w/ a root to pet).

Priests id say were an easy win for a druid if they didnt dispel innervate... either way its going to be a long fight, and that dispel takes away one of our biggest advantages. Sure you cant be mana drained in bear form, and sure they dont output a lot of frontline dps, but theyre still vastly more mana efficient, and take away our moonfire dmg w/ that damn dispel of theirs :(

[Scorch]

Root and scoot on those pallies, use lvl 2 moonfire on shammy totems and play root and scoot with them as well, and warlocks just play em like mages (w/ a root to pet).

Err don't the paladins you fight dispel the root...? Shamans I can beat if I have like 50 yards in all directions to work with...

[vexd]

i tend to use a lot of travel form during meelee fights. if the pally is dispelling then im getting ample time to get distance either way.