what do you think about this rogue?

[palladilardo]

Assassination Talents (31 points)

Improved Eviscerate - 3/3 points
Increases the damage done by your Eviscerate ability by 15%.

Malice - 5/5 points
Increases your critical strike chance by 5%.

Ruthlessness - 3/3 points
Gives your finishing moves a 60% chance to add a combo point to your target.

Murder - 2/2 points
Increases your chance to hit while using your Sap, Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot abilities by 5%.

Relentless Strikes - 1/1 points
Your finishing moves have a 20% chance per combo point to restore 25 energy.

Lethality - 5/5 points
Increases the critical strike damage bonus of your Sinister Strike, Gouge, Backstab, Ambush, Ghostly Strike, or Hemorrhage ability by 30%.

Improved Instant Poison - 5/5 points
Increases the chance to apply Instant Poison to your target by 10%.

Cold Blood - 1/1 points
When activated, increases the critical strike chance of your next Sinister Strike, Backstab, Ambush, or Eviscerate by 100%.

Seal Fate - 5/5 points
Your critical strikes from abilities that add combo points have a 100% chance to add an additional combo point.

Vigor - 1/1 points
Increases your maximum Energy by 10.



Combat Talents (2 points)

Improved Sinister Strike - 2/2 points
Reduces the Energy cost of your Sinister Strike ability by 10.



Subtlety Talents (18 points)

Master of Deception - 5/5 points
Reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while in Stealth mode.

Camouflage - 5/5 points
Increases your speed while stealthed by 15%.

Initiative - 5/5 points
Gives you a 75% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability.

Improved Sap - 3/3 points
Gives you a 100% chance to return to stealth mode after using your Sap ability.

is a sword rogue, open with cheapshot 3cb, ss, kidney shot, spam ss, eviscerate. with sealfate i'll get a lot of combo point early.

maybe i'll leave camo or Mod for elusiveness

i need your opinions.

thx.

[Watzit2ya]

Nice thought, but why not go Dagger main/slow sword off, make a switch macro and open up with Ambush, it should crit. Thats 3 points, then KS. 4 secs of stun then just do your whole SS/evisc routine. You'll have more of the upper hand, and have had done more overall damage by the time the target is unstunned and has a chance to attack you.

[palladilardo]

hmm.. i haven't improved ambush, wich improves my crit chance, and i think at 60 i'll have about 20% to crit.

so ambush won't crit very often :(

in this template cheap shot is a better opener, in my opinion.

[Ladro]

use cold blood before you strike with ambush , making a ambush critical

[Watzit2ya]

Yea, thats what I mean :P Nice cover Ladro.

Basically you just want all of the bonus combo points + cold blood, but want to avoid the whole ambush/BS part? Im still tryin to settle on my final build.

[palladilardo]

use cold blood before you strike with ambush , making a ambush critical

yeah but... if i use it for ambush, i can't use it for evis :)

[Watzit2ya]

Its more beneficial to use it for your Ambush than your Evisc :P

Damn Rogues and their stupid too many good abilities!

[Ladro]

thats the only thing i miss on your build , the preparation talent , if u had that u could crit a Ambush or crit a Evis 2times , having 2 times Vanish , Sprint , coldblood ^^

[palladilardo]

lol, rogues really have too many good abilities. it needs a nerf :D

are u sure that ambush benefit of cold blood more than evis?

i thinked evis crit > ambush crit, but maybe i'm wrong.

p.s. : sorry for my english, it sux :)

[Watzit2ya]

If you dont crit your Ambush you only gain 1 point towards evisc, therefore having to build up 3-4 more points for your 4-5 point evisc to be worth using cold blood on. If you crit your ambush you get a decent hit + 3 points with your talents. Then you only need 1-2 more SS's or 1 crit SS to release a 5 point evisc, that can still be a crit on a good luck %

Edit* You have a 75% chance to get 3 points off the ambush crit, otherwise only 2 are added.

[palladilardo]

thats the only thing i miss on your build , the preparation talent , if u had that u could crit a Ambush or crit a Evis 2times , having 2 times Vanish , Sprint , coldblood ^^

yeah i know, i have to choose, preparation or seal fate 8)

anyway i still haven't found my final build, i'll try them all :)

[palladilardo]

If you dont crit your Ambush you only gain 1 point towards evisc, therefore having to build up 3-4 more points for your 4-5 point evisc to be worth using cold blood on. If you crit your ambush you get a decent hit + 3 points with your talents. Then you only need 1-2 more SS's or 1 crit SS to release a 5 point evisc, that can still be a crit on a good luck %

Edit* You have a 75% chance to get 3 points off the ambush crit, otherwise only 2 are added.

ok, ok, but if i open with CS and then i use KS, my opponent will be stunned for a lot of time, i still have coldblood and i don't have to be behind the target.

[Watzit2ya]

Honestly you have 2 different ways to kill. Use the ambush opener on the softer targets IE. Mages, priest, warlocks etc. That kills them faster and doesnt allow the battle to go on long, Longer battle = their favor.

The Stun opener is better vs your melee oponents. Paladin ( if your horde ) Warrior, Other Rogues, Hunters. Because on them your ambush/evisc wont do as much damage, nor be as valuable as the stun's. It gives you alot of diversity!

[palladilardo]

thx for these explanation watzi2ya, i'll try that.
see ya. :D

[Ladro]

I let warriors killing my Warrior/hunter opponents ^^, dont like to do those jobs ^^

[Xeylik]

are u sure that ambush benefit of cold blood more than evis?

i thinked evis crit > ambush crit, but maybe i'm wrong.

p.s. : sorry for my english, it sux :)


Yeah, Ambush combined with CB is better than evis :) i think Ambush is already better than evis without cb :P

[Nox]

are u sure that ambush benefit of cold blood more than evis?

i thinked evis crit > ambush crit, but maybe i'm wrong.

p.s. : sorry for my english, it sux :)


Yeah, Ambush combined with CB is better than evis :) i think Ambush is already better than evis without cb :P

You're talking about specials you get to use once a fight, if you are lucky and your opponent is an npc or twice if you blow your prep on vanish AND your opponent is afk or an npc.

And cold blood - a crit every ... 3 minutes? How is that justifiable? I crit on backstab 50+% of the time. One more crit every 3 minutes isn't worth me stopping to consider.

Saying 'ambush is better than evisc' is ignoring everything about the two specials except damage, which is an invalid comparison.