Shamanistic Rage, how good is it?

[Molakar]

Been trying out a 41 enchancement 10 resto or elementalbuild and of course I've been taking Shamanistic Rage. Haven't done any type of pve since the patch just focusing on pvp and getting some good gear from it. Been trying SR against warriors, beardruids and paladins since they live longer and let me test it a little bit more. Haven't got a single mana back from Shamanistic Rage and I've been pvping for about 5 straight days. So what do you think about SR? How low is the procrate for it etc?

[Azerak]

well, it procs right.. but not so much, try tu dual wield cause with a 2-h, SR is useless imo

[Molakar]

Using it while dualwielding a 1.5 and 2.9 speed weapon and it doesn't seem to proc (atleast blizzards own SCT doesn't show it proccing).

Edit: Is dual WF the way to go if you're going to dualwield? Tried dual WF, Frostbrand, Rockbiter and Flametounge and all I know is that dual Frostbrand sucks ass, dual WF/Flametounge is pretty much the same in damage output and dual Rockbiter is pretty much in between. Been trying a mix of WF+FT, WF+FB, FB+FT and every single combination of xx+RB and I can't make up my mind. Frostbrand + Flametounge is a nice combo for some unpredictable slow/damage and some predictable damage and it's tearing warriors, paladins and beardruids apart but it's not even as good as dual flametounge.

So any advice about weaponenhancements?

[Archetype]

I'd probably go with WF on the mainhand and frostbrand on the off hand.

WF for the dps/ burst dps and Frostbrand on the OH cause it doesn't suffer damage penalties (wf does) and it has some burst dps as well as a snaring component.

Oh and shamanistic rage is a crap pvp talent. It's like a nerfed innervate.

[Molakar]

Well pros with dual windfury is that you're getting 20% + 20% chance of getting an extra attack that while have about 20% chance of critting (in my case my %crit is 21). Crit procs Flurry, Unleashed Rage, Flurry increases your attackspeed and you're chance of proccing again increases. IIRC WF can proc crusader and that's just to imba to give up =).

[Athrun]

i thought you could only get 1 proc nowadays at the same time?

[Molakar]

Current setup with Blood Etched Blade (39-74 dmg. 1.5 speed, 37.7 dps) in MH and HWL cleaver in OH:

Dual WF = 45k damage in 30 min
Frostbrand + Flametounge = 65k damage in 30 min
Dual Flametounge = about 40k damage in 30 min

Gonna test again when I have another HWL cleaver.

Edit: Even tho two crusader can't be active at the same time, granting you 200 str, they can overlap? Like Crusader 1 proc and 5 sec afterwards Crusader 2 procs and giving you a reset on the bufftimer?

[Archetype]

personally I think unleashed rage is a pretty lame pvp talent too =P.

Those numbers are pretty inconsistent. Looks like dual frostbrands would double your damage over dual flametongues / dual Wf

[Molakar]

I've tried dual Frostbrand and it wasn't so good in damage output, but then again it's all depending on how often it proccs, how good (bad) the opponents are etc.

Unleashed Rage gives me a whopping 58.2 more attackpower every time I crit. They should change Unleashed Rage to 10% more damage and 10% more attackpower and Shamanistic Rage to a 5 min cd, 20 sec active clickey that causes each successful melee attack to restore mana and hp equal to 10% AP. Then we're talking about funny pvp.

[Archetype]

I've tried dual Frostbrand and it wasn't so good in damage output, but then again it's all depending on how often it proccs, how good (bad) the opponents are etc.

Unleashed Rage gives me a whopping 58.2 more attackpower every time I crit. They should change Unleashed Rage to 10% more damage and 10% more attackpower and Shamanistic Rage to a 5 min cd, 20 sec active clickey that causes each successful melee attack to restore mana and hp equal to 10% AP. Then we're talking about funny pvp.

They need to buff the bonus UR gives to the shaman and weaken the group bonus (if need be) slightly for it to be a decent talent.

The restore hp hit on UR is a great idea btw...could make it actually pvp viable. Please post that suggestion on the boards =).

They really need to not pigeonhole shaman into restoration.

[Molakar]

Anyone knows if Stormstrike and/or Windfury has a chance to proc SR?

[Archetype]

I'm pretty sure I read that windfury hits don't proc sr. They had to do that to balance it otherwise the only viable way to use SR would be with windfury.

[Molakar]

Just wondering what you're thinking of my pvpwishlist and alternate pvpwishlist for my shaman. Notice that I'm only pvping with it so if you're gonna change something it's only going to be pvpitems / darkmoonfaire / argent dawn items that's gonna cut it.

Link is: http://ctprofiles.net/4759896 and http://ctprofiles.net/4799603

[Archetype]

Looks pretty good, I dunno much about min/maxing items so I dunno how much my opinion counts.

[Molakar]

Dude (or honeybunny if you want to ;)), your opinion always counts.