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Tivoli
11-02-2004, 01:29 PM
I have been playing with the talent calculator a bit, and posted this to our members, but here is a new build i have been playing with to try and get the most bang for the points and be able to solo well and still perform well in a group situation, so here it is, post up your comments.

Discipline Talents (17 points)

# Unbreakable Will - 5/5 points
Increases your chance to resist Stun, Fear, and Silence effects by 15%.

# Improved Power Word: Shield - 3/3 points
Reduces the duration of your Power Word: Shield's Weakened Soul effect by 15 seconds.

# Improved Power Word: Fortitude - 2/2 points
Increases the effect of your Power Word: Fortitude spell by 30%.

# Mental Agility - 5/5 points
Reduces the mana cost of your instant cast spells by 10%.

# Improved Mana Burn - 2/2 points
Reduces the casting time of your Mana Burn spell by 1 second.



Holy Talents (23 points)

# Holy Specialization - 5/5 points
Increases the critical effect chance of your Holy spells by 5%.

# Spiritual Healing - 5/5 points
Increases your Mana regeneration rate by 50% after getting a critical effect from your Flash Heal, Heal, Greater Heal, or Prayer of Healing spell. Your Mana may regenerate at a 50% rate while casting. Lasts 10 seconds.

# Improved Renew - 5/5 points
Increases the amount healed by your Renew spell by 20%.

# Improved Resurrection - 2/2 points
Reduces the resurrection sickness penalty of your Resurrection spell by 25%.

# Holy Fire - 1/1 point
Consumes the enemy in flames that cause 90 to 116 Fire damage and an additional 28 Fire damage over 8 seconds.

# Improved Flash Heal - 2/2 points
Gives you a 70% chance to avoid interruption caused by damage while casting Flash Heal.

# Combat Resurrection - 1/1 point
Brings a dead player back to life with 50% of their health and mana. The target does not suffer from resurrection sickness.

# Improved Prayer of Healing - 2/2 points
Reduces the Mana cost of your Prayer of Healing spell by 20%.



Shadow Talents (11 points)

# Spirit Tap - 5/5 points
Gives you a 100% chance to gain a 100% bonus to your Spirit after killing a target. For the duration, your Mana may regenerate at a 50% rate while casting. Lasts 15 seconds.

# Improved Shadow Word: Pain - 2/2 points
Increases the duration of your Shadow Word: Pain spell by 6 seconds.

# Shadow Focus - 3/5 points
Reduces your target's chance to resist your Shadow spells by 6%.

# Mind Flay - 1/1 point
Assault the target's mind with Shadow energy, causing 75 damage over 3 seconds and slowing the target to 50% of their movement speed.

Anomandaris
11-02-2004, 02:04 PM
# Improved Prayer of Healing - 2/2 points
Reduces the Mana cost of your Prayer of Healing spell by 20%.

Do you find enough use for PoH to justify these points? Being "only" 57 I have a bit limited experience. I've had use for it in BRD (mostly those fireguards). Limited use in Scholomance. Haven't been in BRS yet and only one zerg raid group in Strat so far. PvP experience limited mostly to pickup groups without any teamwork and back and forth zerging in hillsbrad .. :)

Overall looks to be an interesting build. What do you think about replacing 2/2 PoH and 3/5 Shadow Reach with 5/5 Blackout?

Av
11-02-2004, 02:53 PM
Prayer of Healing is easily one of the best healing spells, and 20% reduced is A LOT. Every five ones are free. This build might be good, but expensive if you don't like it. Will have to try later.

Av

Tivoli
11-02-2004, 02:57 PM
I thought about doing that too, i use PoH a fair amount, if it was 20% less mana i might use it more ;), but if it's not worth it then yes the better choice would probably be getting blackout for the 10% chance to stun, with the resist code the way it is now though i'm going play with the less chance to resist since that affects mana burn also.

Kas
11-02-2004, 02:59 PM
I had initially planned on something similar, 11 in shadow just to get to mind flay, then work on a good balance of discipline and holy. Do you feel that there are 4 points better spent in holy than 3 points in mental strength and inner focus? I guess you were valuing combat res over inner focus. My priest only made it to 44 so I'm not sure how much I would have used it yet higher end and in group pvp.

Are you noticibly less efficient than your pure holy/disc build?

Removed edit :)

Gigashadow
11-02-2004, 07:24 PM
No Inner Focus, eh? I really missed that in PvE when I was trying out a heavy shadow build and didn't have it. Without it, once your mana is gone... it's really gone. If you consider it's worth about 1000 mana due to the spell+free regen, that's like +20% mana for those extra hard boss fights.

Not so useful in PvP, though, it's hard to get 4.5 - 5.5 seconds of time to Inner Focus + PoH / Greater Heal.

Excrucio
11-03-2004, 04:07 PM
i dont see holy fire as a good spell, 5second casting on a decent nuke? with 1 minute cooldown. just dont see it as that good.

Anomandaris
11-03-2004, 04:59 PM
i dont see holy fire as a good spell, 5second casting on a decent nuke? with 1 minute cooldown. just dont see it as that good.

You have to look at the options.

# Holy Specialization - 5/5 points
# Spiritual Healing - 5/5 points
# Improved Renew - 5/5 points
# Improved Resurrection - 2/2 points
# Improved Flash Heal - 2/2 points

Get you 19 points in Holy. You need 20 for Combat res and Improved PoH.

You can either take Holy Fire which has its limited uses (mostly an opener while soloing).

or one of the following

# Improved Smite - 1/3 point
Increases the damage of your Smite spell by 2%.

Inspiration - 1/5 point
Increases your target's armor value from items by 5% for 15 seconds after getting a critical effect from your Flash Heal, Heal, Greater Heal, or Prayer of Healing spell.

Subtlety - 1/5 point
Reduces the threat generated by your healing spells by 4%.

Improved Healing - 1/5 point
Reduces the Mana cost of your Lesser Heal, Heal, and Greater Heal spells by 2%.

So Holy Fire might not be that great but it gives more bang for the 1 talent point than any of the other choices.

Tivoli
11-03-2004, 11:55 PM
Exactly, 1 point somewhere, and that made the most sense.

demon-surge
11-05-2004, 09:05 PM
http://wowvault.ign.com/View.php?view=Templates.Detail&id=3054

Hybby
11-07-2004, 06:23 AM
Wow, Jon is using mind flay?

*passes out*

Has the day come? :P

I'm still playing around with my build. Taking things as they come. I kinda like the extra 10% mana pool in disc, plus inner focus.

*shrugs*

Hemlock
11-07-2004, 06:07 PM
I think perhaps your trying to do to much with that build, my humble opinion.

BrandX
11-07-2004, 09:11 PM
Breaking news.. talents changed for patch 1.1

My build is now

Holy Talents - 17 points

5/5 Improved Renew
5/5 Spiritual Healing
5/5 Subtlety
2/2 Improved Flash Heal

Discipline Talents - 23 points

5/5 Unbreakable Will
3/3 Improved Power Word: Shield
2/2 Improved Power Word: Fortitude
5/5 Mental Agility
5/5 Mental Strength
2/2 Improved Mana Burn
1/1 Inner Focus

Shadow Talents - 11 points

5/5 Spirit Tap
2/2 Improved Shadow Word: Pain
3/5 Shadow Focus
1/1 Mind Flay

Comments Tivoli? :D

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