Warriors, i call upon thee for help!!

[azzyboi]

http://ctprofiles.net/4448322

Thats my current gear and spec, i currently have the Head of Onyxia in my bags, and lionheart for pve. Whats some gear i should look for? And is there a spec that woudl incresase both pvp and pve capabilities compared to mine?

Ty for any help in advance =)

[Jerom]

I would go for this spec maybe.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=pGhx0hbZVVzVxxoVo

More damage from the offhand and lower cost for HS. On the other hand you could withdraw points from imp HS and maybe better put them in imp Intercept for PvP needs. As a Fury i would think you would not need overpower as you fight all the time in zerg stance. Also improved Berzerker Rage is not really neccesary for a Fury. At least in PvE.

And maybe try to get the Plate Pants from the AQ20 with the 2 % crit instead of the blood soaked or to switch between both.

[Ralrra]

Get Titanic Leggings for Fury imo.

[Dunderdon]

yeah seriously
you need more +hit

while wearing your "pvp" gear you have exactly 1% hit
with pve it is 4%

a decent fury warrior has AT LEAST 10%

go for aq20 cloak, titanic or warsong legs, crossbow from ossirian

you dont seem to be able to go to bwl
so look for some good bracers with +hit (i think you can get some from MC)

[Ortega]

I would go for this spec maybe.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=pGhx0hbZVVzVxxoVo

More damage from the offhand and lower cost for HS. On the other hand you could withdraw points from imp HS and maybe better put them in imp Intercept for PvP needs. As a Fury i would think you would not need overpower as you fight all the time in zerg stance. Also improved Berzerker Rage is not really neccesary for a Fury. At least in PvE.

And maybe try to get the Plate Pants from the AQ20 with the 2 % crit instead of the blood soaked or to switch between both.

With good gear you rarely leave battle stance. Overpower helps keep flurry on and makes up for dodges and WW is extremely inefficient with 1 handers. Also a fury build is not complete without imp execute as it dramatically increases the damage of that ability.

My suggested build for PvE

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LbhxbhbZVVzmgxoVo

although I think the best course of action is for you to pick up a 2 hander until you get better fury gear :O

[Otzo]

Get Lionheart and titanics, youll ditch titanics later on tho or you could always pvp for the sentinel leggins. Get the Hit boots from AQ20, same for the crossbow and farm some cenarion hold rep (well AQ20 farm willl handle some of that) for revered and eh... umm... well like ortega said go 2h till better gear, you could be the 10000th guy with untamed blade!

[socratic]

With good gear you rarely leave battle stance. Overpower helps keep flurry on and makes up for dodges and WW is extremely inefficient with 1 handers. Also a fury build is not complete without imp execute as it dramatically increases the damage of that ability.

Are you joking? You should never ever be in battle stance in PvE. If you think whirlwind is inefficient with one handers, how can you possibly think that overpower is useful especially when you're behind the mob the whole time. +3% crit is more than enough reason to be in zerker stance alone.

For a PvE / PvP fury build, I'd go for http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=phhxzhbZVVzVrxRVo. Duel weild spec is amazing for PvE, but if you're going to be PvPing, theres no reason not to grab improved intercept.

[Ortega]

Are you joking? You should never ever be in battle stance in PvE. If you think whirlwind is inefficient with one handers, how can you possibly think that overpower is useful especially when you're behind the mob the whole time. +3% crit is more than enough reason to be in zerker stance alone.

For a PvE / PvP fury build, I'd go for http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=phhxzhbZVVzVrxRVo. Duel weild spec is amazing for PvE, but if you're going to be PvPing, theres no reason not to grab improved intercept.

You might want to go read up, mobs dodge from behind.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/patch-05-07-04.html

Dodge: Every time a creature Dodges, it will report a Dodge. We will no longer translate a creature's Dodge of a rear attack to a "Miss."

EDIT
For further clarification with high end gear you generate rage so quickly it is extremely inefficient to switch between zerker and battle to overpower and the 5% dodge rate being made up for with the virtually gauranteed crit of overpower for flurry makes it a better trade off then 3% more crit.

[Anduryondon]

+3% crit for everything (including styles) is better than 5% dodge for overpower only.

[bierbaum]

Mmhh Good that you whirlwind with an Arcanite Reaper, but dont do it with a Gressil?

[Ralrra]

You might want to go read up, mobs dodge from behind.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/patch-05-07-04.html

Dodge: Every time a creature Dodges, it will report a Dodge. We will no longer translate a creature's Dodge of a rear attack to a "Miss."

EDIT
For further clarification with high end gear you generate rage so quickly it is extremely inefficient to switch between zerker and battle to overpower and the 5% dodge rate being made up for with the virtually gauranteed crit of overpower for flurry makes it a better trade off then 3% more crit.

Overpower isn't all that spectacular with a 1h weapon. That's why most fury warrs forego the points in imp overpower and just sit in zerker stance. I can't see how you think that whirlwind (and a permanent +3% to crit to all attacks from zerker stance, plus 2 freed talent points) is less worthwhile than overpower when using 1hers.

[Ortega]

Overpower isn't all that spectacular with a 1h weapon. That's why most fury warrs forego the points in imp overpower and just sit in zerker stance. I can't see how you think that whirlwind (and a permanent +3% to crit to all attacks from zerker stance, plus 2 freed talent points) is less worthwhile than overpower when using 1hers.

Do you have scrolling combat text? Have you even payed attention to how often you get dodged. There are times when I get dodged so much overpower isn't even off cooldown. You don't have to take my word for it, Ive tested it thoroughly in Naxx (my guild is at 4h, you can see my profile below) and so have many of the other warriors in my guild. We do however have one who refuses to leave zerker and hes generally 10th dps well the other warriors who get a opportunity to dps are 1-5th. And no his gear is not sub-par to the rest of us.

EDIT
I don't use SWstats although many of the other warriors do, but after reading this recent response to a guildie of mine he said I should mention how overpower generally ranges from 5-7% of his total dps for any given boss fight.

[socratic]

If the warrior who stays in zerker stance is never above 10th place, then he is either terrible, or his gear is drastically worse then everyone elses. I can't even fathom how you could think that overpower is better than everything zerker stance has to offer.

[Molakar]

Yeah it sounds pretty strange, especially when he says "And no his gear is not sub-par to the rest of us."

[Ortega]

If the warrior who stays in zerker stance is never above 10th place, then he is either terrible, or his gear is drastically worse then everyone elses. I can't even fathom how you could think that overpower is better than everything zerker stance has to offer.

You have fury gear, if you don't believe me respec to the spec I mentioned. Sit in Bstance use BT every cooldown and spam heroic and hamstring when rage permits. Betcha your damage increases quite a bit!

EDIT
And for clarification the warrior who stays in zerker has TF, Abom chest, Titanic leggings, Pugio OH, Conq shoulders, LH helm, the only subpar pieces of gear he has are his trinkets being Blackhands and HOJ.

P.S
How does making up for an innate 5% dodge rate(basically 5%more dps, more then that really with Imp op) versus getting 3% crit (3% dps basically) not make sense to you?

[Ortega]

Mmhh Good that you whirlwind with an Arcanite Reaper, but dont do it with a Gressil?

This is hardly the same thing, as heroic with flurry on is more efficient then WW, especially with the new rank. Where as using heroic with a slow 2h gimps you out of a ton of rage which wouldnt allow you to MS.

[Molakar]

If one were to go fury when reaching 60 what weapons should that person aim to get? And we're talking about scholo, dm, strat, ubrs, lbrs and brd here =).

[Blu]

Don't go fury without mucho +hit.

[Molakar]

Yeah well I still wanna go fury even tho I'm only gonna have about 6% hit or so, so what's "the best" combo for fury when zg and above is off limit?

[bierbaum]

We dont have LOLSALVATION LOL!... so no HS spam :O

[Molakar]

Lawl, it's cool by me, just wanna go and have a little fun and "one-button-ms" isn't fun at all :/.

[Molakar]

Lawl, it's cool by me, just wanna go and have a little fun and "one-button-ms" isn't fun at all :/.

[Margus]

may take a look at kaliban's new gear-guide
http://www.wow-loot.com/guides/warrior.htm

ok, it's not ej-theorycrafted and proofed by uber haxxlor math nerds but it definetly works for building up a base.

[duds]

You have fury gear, if you don't believe me respec to the spec I mentioned. Sit in Bstance use BT every cooldown and spam heroic and hamstring when rage permits. Betcha your damage increases quite a bit!

EDIT
And for clarification the warrior who stays in zerker has TF, Abom chest, Titanic leggings, Pugio OH, Conq shoulders, LH helm, the only subpar pieces of gear he has are his trinkets being Blackhands and HOJ.

P.S
How does making up for an innate 5% dodge rate(basically 5%more dps, more then that really with Imp op) versus getting 3% crit (3% dps basically) not make sense to you?

it's more than 3% dps because of impale and deep wounds. crits = more rage. you also get an extra instant attack.

[Ortega]

it's more than 3% dps because of impale and deep wounds. crits = more rage. you also get an extra instant attack.

An instant attack that costs 25 rage, adds no damage, and has a 3% extra chance to crit. Overpower cost 5 rage, makes up for the mobs innate chance to dodge and with my gear and raids buffs is at a 90% chance to crit. Which also leads to flurry and deepwasteofadebuffslot. You really should try it before you knock it.

[bierbaum]

Well Tf main aint as good as a hatchet etc in a mainhand ...

[RubiksCube]

Actually your argument of


For further clarification with high end gear you generate rage so quickly it is extremely inefficient to switch between zerker and battle to overpower and the 5% dodge rate being made up for with the virtually gauranteed crit of overpower for flurry makes it a better trade off then 3% more crit.


is kind of a double edged blade. You generate rage quickly, so why exactly is it inefficient to loose some of it by switching stances? If you generate rage quickly you should generate enough rage to make up for the loss, shouldn't you?

I mean, just because you get the "insane dps bonus" from Overpower and Flurry it shouldn't keep you from using the "insane dps bonus" from the 3% crit in Zerker Stance whenever Overpower is on cooldown or simply isn't up. As a PvE'ing Fury Warrior who spams Bloodthirst, Heroic Strike and Hamstring (wtf? spamming hamstring and then talking about a waste of a debuffslot) you shouldn't ever loose to much rage due to switching stances, you can't tell me your offhand swings alone generate so much rage you can't spend it if you spam said abilities.

[Ortega]

Switching stances all the time instead of using that rage for heroic and hamstring would be retarded. Hamstring by itself nearly keeps you in a perpetual state of flurry and wasting tons of rage so that you can get 3% more crit in between overpowers is not going to make up for the damage you would've done with the say 5 heroics you missed out on. On the note of hamstring being a waste of a de buff slot (most raid mobs are immune to it, specifically bosses, but you should know that.)

EDIT
I like how your just jumping on the bandwagon though when you A) Don't have a warrior. B)If your profiles are up to date have minimal raid experience. I assure you that me and the other fury warriors in my guild have thoroughly tested both routes and making up for a mobs innate dodge chance without wasting rage on switching stances constantly is the best route.

[RubiksCube]

First of all, I don't jump on any bandwagon. I was simply stating my opinion.

Second of all, wether or not I have minimal raid experience (I have lots) shouldn't be the point. You're talking about 40% Critchance Raid-buffed, so you shouldn't need Overpower OR Hamstring for perma-flurry, really.

If you're spamming HS, like you say you're doing you shouldn't have to much rage when switching, because you're just having your offhand swings to generate rage when HS is up permanently.

[Ortega]

First of all, I don't jump on any bandwagon. I was simply stating my opinion.

Second of all, wether or not I have minimal raid experience (I have lots) shouldn't be the point. You're talking about 40% Critchance Raid-buffed, so you shouldn't need Overpower OR Hamstring for perma-flurry, really.

If you're spamming HS, like you say you're doing you shouldn't have to much rage when switching, because you're just having your offhand swings to generate rage when HS is up permanently.


What your saying is just plain incorrect. I don't know if the only raid you do is Loatheb, but that is definently the only boss fight where I have 40% crit buffed. The majority of the time I have 30% from kings and mark. Although the primary reason to use overpower is not flurry, I simply said it helps. It is far superior to WW, not only does WW cost 5x as much rage, it simply does weapon damage and can be dodged as well. Overpower cannot be dodged, has a 90% chance to crit, and adds 35 weapon damage.

With the overpower talent it is essentially making up for the mobs 5% dodge, giving you basically 5% crit (since its almost going to crit every time), and saving you a TON of rage. It's really not that hard to understand. Also I want to emphasize that you spam HS when rage permits, not when you sitting at 17 rage and your next bloodthirst is in 2 seconds.

[RubiksCube]

What your saying is just plain incorrect. I don't know if the only raid you do is Loatheb, but that is definently the only boss fight where I have 40% crit buffed. The majority of the time I have 30% from kings and mark. Although the primary reason to use overpower is not flurry, I simply said it helps. It is far superior to WW, not only does WW cost 5x as much rage, it simply does weapon damage and can be dodged as well. Overpower cannot be dodged, has a 90% chance to crit, and adds 35 weapon damage.

With the overpower talent it is essentially making up for the mobs 5% dodge, giving you basically 5% crit (since its almost going to crit every time), and saving you a TON of rage. It's really not that hard to understand. Also I want to emphasize that you spam HS when rage permits, not when you sitting at 17 rage and your next bloodthirst is in 2 seconds.

Okay, first you're saying you don't have 40% crit, you have 30% then you're saying Overpower has 90% to crit. Last time I checked "Imp. Overpower" gave an additional 50% to crit, not 60%. Just so you get why I thought of you having 40% crit.

Additionally, I never said "use ww, don't use overpower", I was simply saying you should switch stances. Be in zerker stance until the mob dodges, check if your overpower is on cooldown (either by addons or by putting it on a side spellbar) go battle stance, overpower and switch back. With tactical mastery you keep 25 rage when switching stances and the most rage you should ever have is about 30 anyways when you're saving up for a bloodthirst. So if you have above 25 rage, and overpower is up, simply wait for the last 5 rage, bloodthirst, than switch and overpower. If you're below 25 rage simply switch and overpower. With HS spam when rage allows and Hamstring / Bloodthirst spam you shouldn't ever be at above 25 rage except when you want to bloodthirst which you can do in both stances.

[Margus]

I've always tried to use overpower when it's up but i dropped it off my spec cause i've lost 10-40 rage cause i've got a lucky crit right before my switch or i just couldn't drop nuff rage to switch so it was already over :<

but i just have 9% hit so i have other things to optimize than my keypressing skillz :>

[Ortega]

My response is basically the same as Margus's. Fury rage generation is hardly consistent. Sometimes you go to 100 rage in mere seconds, other times you miss a few times in a row and gain no rage. Your really thinking from an idealistic view, sure if you can NEVER waste any rage then it would obviously be better to have the 3% crit bonus, however I'm telling you with the randomness of being dodged and the streaky rage generation you simply can not utilize berserker and oveprower every time its up without being extremely inefficient. On the note of me saying overpower is at 90% I mustve had your 40% number stuck in my head, its pretty easy to look at my ctprofile, mark and kings hardly add 13% crit, whether or not you want to believe it.

EDIT
And too Margus himself, you should really try sticking in battle stance when I went fury I was just like the rest of you. No way did I think battle would out damage zerker, but it does : /.

[RubiksCube]

Actually you said 90% before I said 40, because I had the number from you saying 90%. Where else should I take the number from?


An instant attack that costs 25 rage, adds no damage, and has a 3% extra chance to crit. Overpower cost 5 rage, makes up for the mobs innate chance to dodge and with my gear and raids buffs is at a 90% chance to crit.

Anyways. We're obviously not coming to the same conclusion here, our top dps warrior actually even changes to a two-hander to overpower and he switches stances and he's still on top. I'm guessing it's just a matter of decision making. Of course, if you're at 100 Rage, you don't switch to overpower, and if you're at below 25 you do.

My bet is if you aren't watching at it theway that you either switch all the time or never switch, but instead decide depending on the situation you'll come out with more dps.

But, really, let's bury this argument, we're not going anywhere discussing this.

[Ortega]

Anyways. We're obviously not coming to the same conclusion here, our top dps warrior actually even changes to a two-hander to overpower and he switches stances and he's still on top.

Where the hell are you guys at content wise. You must have some bad dps! Switching to a 2h trigers the 1.5 global, then you overpower, then you switch back to your 1 handers and switch back to zerker? I used to have a macro to switch to a 2h for overpower (back before it triggered global) its pretty much a complete waste of time now.

[bierbaum]

Well I played both Methods (7 Bosses down in Naxx before I stopped raiding) and i dpsed the best with Berzerkstance, had some lucky dodgestreaks, but the most time i didnt see the "Overpower Now" from my SCT (Played TF/Doomsedge a long time until i got my Hatchet of Sundered Bones)

[Dunderdon]

my 1handers are kinda outdated, too bad would love to try it :/