Are warriors good in end-game pvp?

[Rejzer]

Hello!

While i'm reading different WoW forums I always get the impression that warriors suck in pvp except fighting rogues and hunters. If we talk 1vs1 pvp.

But I have not read about warriors in group pvp and raid groups. Do they bring something good to the raid party/5 man party?

I would like to play a warrior but every warrior I have talked to do think that they have too many disadvantages.

Please tell me something positive about warrior :)


/ Razer

[Firecrak]

I'm a good heal sponge.

[Inconsiderable]

Good Rogue will always win against a Warrior. Man, I hate poison. Overpower doesnt help, if they dont really fight you.

[Sintor]

Good Rogue will always win against a Warrior. Man, I hate poison. Overpower doesnt help, if they dont really fight you.

Negative.

[Razo]

From a Priest's perspective..

Arms Warriors are great in 5v5, simply because MS cuts healing by a huge margin. Warriors not speced in MS are an entirely different story.

[LyonHeart]

Good Rogue will always win against a Warrior. Man, I hate poison. Overpower doesnt help, if they dont really fight you.

Negative.

Double negative :)...
Yeah don't play a warrior they suck...

[Straem]

Good Rogue will always win against a Warrior. Man, I hate poison. Overpower doesnt help, if they dont really fight you.

No Way.

I'd like to see a good rogue beat the warrior I play with all the time. No way not going to happen.

People saying Warriors suck, are not doing something right or they played beta and seen what warriors once were.

Sintor doesn't suck.

[Envie]

Contrary to popular belief, I think a well-played warrior is better than half the mediocre paladins out there and most rogues too. A warrior is hard to kill for most classes, even without the 9 lives routine paladins pull.

Bottom line: any class played well is better than 5 others played like crap. Know your class, know how you can win, learn the tricks. Win.

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[Blacktastic]

Whats your talent build focused around, Sintor?

[Landogarner]

Speaking of warrior vs rogue tactics; I've got a new strat in mind centered around recklesness, I would like to try out. Hermit you want to be my guinea pig again?

A good warrior should always beat a good rogue in 1v1, we have too many anti rogue skills to be able to not win consistently: overpower, disarm (not as useful in endgame when more people get weapon chains) and the coup de grace, retaliation.

Retaliation alone is enough to beat a rogue as most don't even bother to stun you, use evasion, or stop attacking while it is up. Vs a good rogue it's more of a last ditch effort then anything as they should easily counter it. The only time I have trouble vs rogues is if I am unable to charge them first, thus giving them the advantage of getting the jump on me. This usually only happens vs higher lvl rogues though because stealth detection works to their lvl advantage, when we are all lvl 60 it shouldn't be *as* much of a problem.

1v1 against good priests and palis we don't fare nearly as well. In my limited group PvP experience it is quite different, priests are spending most of their mana keeping others alive and can do very little to stop an undead warrior from dispatching them quickly.

Landogarner
51 Warrior
Archimonde

[Firecrak]

The only rogues I lose to are mace/stun. The rest drop like flypaper.

[Inconsiderable]

I didnt believe it, too. Until someone showed it to me. I saw it once, still i kill(ed) any rogue, even 10 lvls higher.

[Rejzer]

Thank you for replying to my thread. Not so much positive about warriors :(

Sintor:

Where do you do your best as a warrior in pvp? If there are any good spots for warriors in pvp? =)

[oupupu]

in group pvp warriors have most hp thus die the slowest....thus usualy get targeted last.but most people don't realize the dps we can dish out

[Sintor]

Right now, my talents are experimental on a fury spec that hinges on the Deathstriker. I've got a crusader proc on it which helps with DPS (+100 str for 12s, adds 200 attack power). My results are still inconclusive, but it's lookin like the crit/ms warrior is still superior to flurry/dw and always will be, as the miss rate is just too streaky to count on. Sometimes I will do a static 280 dps on another player, sometimes less than 40 because I will miss 15 times in a row.

However, with deathwish and a two-hander, I have overpowered rogues for 1.6k. I <3 Deathwish. I can't beat a shaman with the fury spec, but with crit/ms I could win almost all of them. Paladins are actually an easier kill with fury than mortal strike, since your MS effect gets blown off by the shield. Just generate a ton of rage, hamstring, circle them and sunder to full effect then dump on the heroic strikes. Mages just rock warriors at 60 if they have any reflexes at all, but you can sometimes beat them by just doing random stuff like never charging or intercepting. They'll just stare at you and wait for you to stun so they can blink, but you never do. Druids are just stupid. Root needs an immunity timer, period.

Honestly, warriors need a talent like Determination in DAOC that reduces CC cast on them. Even shadowbane gave warriors a root break, lol.

As far as my role in group PvP, it's pretty much to jump into the thick of things and hurt as many people as fast as I can. Rammstein, whirlwind, Piercing Howl, etc. Just cause another group as many problems as possible. Warriors are powerhouses if you get some dispel and healing going on. It's also fun to disarm warriors who attack your soft targets. ;)

[Coldfire]

If you're fighting a mediocre Rogue, in theory a Warrior should be able to beat him. As a last ditch effort Retaliation will usually rip him apart. If I'm not prepared for it, I'm kicking ass and all of a sudden I'm missing 70% of my life thinking "What the hell just happened?" I personally rarely use Evasion when fighting a Warrior, because everyone has Improved Overpower. And for me especially, having around 80% chance to dodge under Evasion, it's a fight ender. God I hate it.

However, I also use Parry and Riposte, so that's certainly a help, but so far I haven't seen a whole lot of people using either. Most tend to go towards the Ambush build that can't take hits worth a damn and is virtually useless in large scale, prolonged PvP.

And a word on Retaliation, it's just sickening. I have a friend who went into Ironforge the other night and just hung out until he got attacked. Literally 8 people his level were whaling on him at one point, and when he popped Retal they all went down.

[Xzan]

Sint, when you say "Crit/MS build" do you mean focus on agi gear? Well, I would assume Sta/Agi. Currently I've been looking for Sta/Str on gear, is Agi better than Str?

[Afgar]

You should look into restorative elixirs to solve your root problem. They are super easy to make and I hear they are on a separate timer from healing potions (the elixer timer, which is also only 2s). This will likeley be nerfed if it is true (haven't tried myself) but you can exploit it and wtf pwn druids while it lassts =).

[Sintor]

I prefer that they fix the spell, rather than have to use some work-around.

When I say crit/ms I mean wearing +% crit gear and going axe spec.

[Xzan]

Ah ok, thanks for clearing that up. :wink:

[Silth]

And a word on Retaliation, it's just sickening. I have a friend who went into Ironforge the other night and just hung out until he got attacked. Literally 8 people his level were whaling on him at one point, and when he popped Retal they all went down.

I have had similar experiences, though I am only lvl 47 atm. When I was lvl 43 and running up to SM (human warrior) a lvl 50 hunter opened up on me from behind... sent his pet in, and I used beserker intercept to close the distance. The hunter decided to melee me, and used duel wield, and then a 38 horde warrior joined the fray... I said WTH and hit retall, the pet cat dropped in about 3 seconds, then the hunter dropped a 2nd later, and then the warrior backed off and stood there dumbfounded with about 10% hp, so I ran up and hit execute.

My adrenaline was pumping after that...

Thing most people don't realize, is retal doesn't care who you have targetted, if your getting hit by one, or by 20 you retal on everyone for 15 seconds. And duel wielding against it will kill a rogue/hunter faster than anything else.

[Afgar]

I prefer that they fix the spell, rather than have to use some work-around.

When I say crit/ms I mean wearing +% crit gear and going axe spec.

I definitely agree with you, but until Blizzard gets around to balancing anything...

[Indalamar]

Warriors are a decent pvp class but only in group pvp scenarios. Mainly because most people ignore warriors until they are the last target so we get to run rampant and unleash our wrath onto the enemies with impunity.

[Miragul]

I really have no problems against level 60 Warriors, whether they be Alliance or Horde. I would much rather face a War than say a Shaman or Paladin. Then again my spec is built around stuns/defensive/crit/backstab. If my build wasn't centered around stuns then I'm sure I would have a much harder time. The spec I'm using at the moment seems to work well in both solo and group PvP.

[keboman]

Warriors are a decent pvp class but only in group pvp scenarios. Mainly because most people ignore warriors until they are the last target so we get to run rampant and unleash our wrath onto the enemies with impunity.

For some reason I think you'd be the first one to get CC'd ;)

[Tlear]

For some reason I think he has 2-3 priests to insta dispell him

[moto]

Good Rogue will always win against a Warrior. Man, I hate poison. Overpower doesnt help, if they dont really fight you.

I usually dont have problems with rogues at all.

[Unamed]

http://www.thottbot.com/?i=4544

Are these worth sacraficing an epic boot slot for?

And why do you guys think paladins are so killable?

[Coldfire]

And why do you guys think paladins are so killable?Because I kill them with very few problems 95% of the time. The thing I've come to realize about Paladins is that they have about 2 tricks up their sleeve, and once they use them they've got nothing to adapt with. They're predictable as hell and so they're really easy for me to take on as a Rogue. They don't have Disarm, they don't have Overpower, they don't have anti-stealth skills, they don't have fear. They have Shields and Hammer of Justice and that's about it. Whoopee.

Contrast that to my bag of tricks. I have Parry, Riposte, Blind, Gouge, Vanish, Evasion, Sprint, Cheap Shot, Kindey Shot, Poisons, high crit rate, high dodge rate, and Kick.

Paladins are basically one trick ponies 99% of the time. Don't get me wrong, I still think they're cheap as hell and can last entirely too long in a fight. IMO it's easier to go toe to toe with most things as a Paladin than with any other class. Their survivability is ridiculous, even if you know how to fight them. It takes me longer to kill a Paladin than anything else.

[Aradorn]

which is kinda stupid IMHO... I think a warrior should last longer toe to toe than any class... oh well just my opinion

[Unamed]

Talking from a warrior standpoint, rogues are considered overpowered at this point too....

[Sintor]

If by overpowered you mean killed by the attack "Overpower", I agree.

[Watzit2ya]

Going Coldfire's comments, I also find paladins alot easy to kill. One thing alot of people dont take into account, whether your on Archiomonde, or another server. Alot of people you fight will try to fight you just like they would fight a mob in PvE. They have no PvP experience and you can tell. Its impossible to learn anything from that fight and most of those are winnable regardless of the class combinations.

[Shigeru]

The only time I have trouble vs rogues is if I am unable to charge them first, thus giving them the advantage of getting the jump on me.

To be quite honest if u ask my opinion then if rogue gets first hit on a warrior the rogue wins if played well..and visa versa.

It is also very normal for the person who gets the first hit to win in most situations, so it ultimately depends on the pvp situation as to which class will beat which in a fight. You can't say warriors are better then rogues or visa versa against each other as its all based on how the fight breaks out.