Some rogue questions

[shatner3]

Hi, i 've been reading about builds here on the forum and had some questiosns:

in the dagger build kintoun doesnt go with Vigor, which permenently gives you 10 energy. Is this talent really so useless that even after investing 30 points into assassination tree, its still not worth getting for 1 point? i thought about getting it but you would have to take away from either imp backstab or im ambush, which would subtract 10% critical strike from one of those attacks :\ is it worth it?

Also, i hear a lot of rogues using remorseless attacks. can someone please explain to me how the heck this still works :shock: ? it says "After killing an opponent that yields experience, gives you a X increased critical strike chance on your next Sinister Strike, Backstab, Ambush, or Ghostly Strike." does this mean that once your 60 since you can't get exp anymore this is useless? does this only work in PvE since PvP does not yeild exp?


Thanks :)

[Ratama]

Hi, i 've been reading about builds here on the forum and had some questiosns:

in the dagger build kintoun doesnt go with Vigor, which permenently gives you 10 energy. Is this talent really so useless that even after investing 30 points into assassination tree, its still not worth getting for 1 point? i thought about getting it but you would have to take away from either imp backstab or im ambush, which would subtract 10% critical strike from one of those attacks :\ is it worth it?

Also, i hear a lot of rogues using remorseless attacks. can someone please explain to me how the heck this still works :shock: ? it says "After killing an opponent that yields experience, gives you a X increased critical strike chance on your next Sinister Strike, Backstab, Ambush, or Ghostly Strike." does this mean that once your 60 since you can't get exp anymore this is useless? does this only work in PvE since PvP does not yeild exp?


Thanks :)

It's not a question of if Vigor is worth 1 TP. It's a question of what ability do you lose 1 TP in if you want to get Vigor? It's going to be another top tier ability from the Subtelty Tree. Vigor provides 10 energy, or 1 second worth of energy regen. You should only have full energy once during a fight, so you only get the bonus of vigor once during a fight. So Vigor realy just helps you by one second worth of your energy based damage. That's very close to worthless.

Remorsless works off of any PvP kill regardless of level. I would assume that in PvE it no longer works at 60, but I can't answer that for 3 more levels.

[RushEm]

It's not a question of if Vigor is worth 1 TP. It's a question of what ability do you lose 1 TP in if you want to get Vigor? It's going to be another top tier ability from the Subtelty Tree. Vigor provides 10 energy, or 1 second worth of energy regen. You should only have full energy once during a fight, so you only get the bonus of vigor once during a fight. So Vigor realy just helps you by one second worth of your energy based damage. That's very close to worthless.



I think Vigor "can" help u in some cases:
a) You can use Ambush and directly after it Gouge to get a Stun-lock Combo going

b) u can get another 10 energy from this :http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=204

c) well i guess there will be some more uses to discover...

just my 2 cents Xius

[Tarmon Gaiden]

I asked the very same question the other day on Kintoun's rogue post. I think he's right-on with adding Vigor to go with the Nightslayer set. 20 points is awesome, 10 points, maybe not as much. When I get the armor, I'll probably come up with a revised build that has 31 points in my assassination school...or just withhold a point from maybe improved BS and add vigor at level 60.

TG

[Ladro]

20 points is awesome yeh....but i think its a too big gap for me to get vigor and kill my other talents for my Crits and dmg....don't think it fits good in my build tho...and btw , why are ppl getting one-handed swords , if u know that there are better Daggers than swords and u can use backstab etc?