[Warrior] guiding q's

[Gabravic]

Warriors:

1. Is it faster to solo grind 1-60 than with a decent instancegroup?

2. What would be the current optimal spec along with weapon of choice for solo grind? If not optimal,then atleast viable ones

3. What would be the current optimal spec along with weapon of choice for grouping? If not optimal,then atleast viable ones

4. Does a instance group consisting of these work well and give a fairly good amount of exp? (Pbaoe maindmg)
- Warrior
- Mage (ArcExp)
- Mage (ArcExp)
- Priest
- Shaman

5. Would it be more viable/possible to skip the warrior and use 3 mages instead?

6. post in your opinion the best 5-man instance setup.

7. Anyone have a tip or two for a good Instance setup and/or guide running somewhere?

8. Protection spec line has a talent for increasing threat generated by attacks. If anyone has tested the difference between having and not having it i would be appreciated to hear some good facts about its worth.



Any answers to these questions could get together a pretty decent smalltime guide to some extent. Thanks in advance...

[Straem]

1. Is it faster to solo grind 1-60 than with a decent instancegroup?


Fastest is a combination of grinding and quests. Instances will ensure you have the best gear.

2. What would be the current optimal spec along with weapon of choice for solo grind? If not optimal,then atleast viable ones

No Answer, im not a warrior.

3. What would be the current optimal spec along with weapon of choice for grouping? If not optimal,then atleast viable ones

All weapons are Viable except DW i believe.

4. Does a instance group consisting of these work well and give a fairly good amount of exp? (Pbaoe maindmg)
- Warrior
- Mage (ArcExp)
- Mage (ArcExp)
- Priest
- Shaman

As long as your mages are equal level to the mobs your killing or higher. The warrior has to be within 1 level of the mobs to highest efficiency. I would probably replace the shaman for another priest to have 2 shields just incase. The priest must have the talent imp shield for this to work to the fullest. Shaman would have be healing oriented if you want to keep him.

5. Would it be more viable/possible to skip the warrior and use 3 magead?

it would be possible, but the downtime would suck, and if you get aggro on your healers they are going to die pretty fast. Shaman should be able to get your aggro i guess if necessary. PBAE is not like it was in DAOC best success for that setup is 2 mages and 1 priest I find, 5 man pbae group with 3 mages, I think would have problems killing instance bosses. I cant see how a pbae group would kill the uldaman boss encounter without a warrior.

6. post in your opinion the best 5-man instance setup.

Experiment yourself. There are to many different viable combinations.

7. Anyone have a tip or two for a good Instance setup and/or guide running somewhere?

Experiment and try, it is alot more important to have players who can communicate and play regularly with you then the classes they choose. Just remember healer/backup Tank and Damage/Utility for group setup.
A good player is more important then filling a role simply because the are a class you need.

8. Protection spec line has a talent for increasing threat generated by attacks. If anyone has tested the difference between having and not having it i would be appreciated to hear some good facts about its worth.

I cant answer that sorry.

[Gabravic]

So... for boss encounters and preferably for 5man xping, a warrior is required?

We've got a 10 ppl real-life friendguild(all live in same town), thats why im asking for some tips atm. Since we before wow only have played daoc for too long, we've been hoping that the pbaoexping would work someway in wow too. Due to the pbaoelvling in daoc we have lots of controversial feelings about tanks in groups and how it could be done in wow. Since im the one playing the tank in one of the 5man groups i must prove them wrong and get them to know the difference in leveling between wow and daoc.

Sucks to know that soloplay is the fastest way, since in my opinion groupplay in mmorpg's should always be encouraged in every way, not just for looting.

Now.. lets hope for some more replies and hopefully they consist of real answers like Straem's.

[Straem]

I am biased though, I run my regular group with a warrior. And I would not trade him for anything.

As fr neeeding a warrior for every boss encounter ill say absolutely not. I used the one from Uldaman because I think a warrior is necessary for that encounter.

As far as leveling goes, 5 man grinding in an instance is the way to go if you want to 5 man. The loot will be great, encoutners will be fun and no one will pk you. Just check sites like www.thottbot.com to make sure you have all the quests for those instances, they have the best rewards from what i notice.

3 mage group with a shaman and priest is probably totally viable providing you have the knowledge of what camps to do it in. In my experience pbaeing elites hasnt been very successful but my regular group is 2 priests, rogue, warrior, mage. Which is not ideal for pbae. Non-elite mobs its great. Elites you run into mana issues.

This is my personal opinion and nothing more.

[Landogarner]

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I wouldn't trade my healbot for anything, either.


Good teamwork will overcome most shortfalls, if you don't have that it doesn't matter what classes you have.

[self]

6. post in your opinion the best 5-man instance setup.

I think best would be Warrior, Priest, Shaman, Mage, Warlock. 2x mez, 2x ae, and warlocks have a lot of utility that allows them to compliment mages very well. (A warlock will do more dps ae'ing than a mage, if allowed to channel.)

I've been surprised how well our five man does with Priest, Shaman, Warlock, Hunter, Warrior.

There's been a few things that have been tough, but once we figured them out everything is trivial for the most part. (We've done through BRS, learning Scholo atm, and haven't tried Scholo yet.)

2. What would be the current optimal spec along with weapon of choice for solo grind? If not optimal,then atleast viable ones

For solo grinding, fury is probably best. Warrior downtime is negligable, so its all about boosting dps. Crit MS spec gives fury a run for its money on dps though, and in pvp the frontloaded dmg of MS is optimal.

4. Does a instance group consisting of these work well and give a fairly good amount of exp? (Pbaoe maindmg)

It depends what you want to do, if you just want to level, take a warlock, 3 mages and a priest. I've watched my roommate clear BRD up to general with this group, very quickly. If you want to complete the encounters, quests, and not be hung out to try when you're 60, you'll want to go with a more balanced setup.

(Edit: BRD != BRS)

[draeko]

I would have to say, on your number four, i would have to disagree STRONGLY with self's idea from my experience. I leveled my priest with a 4 man group of 3 mages ArcExp) and me from lvl 24-43 with no problems, no downtime, and couple do most of sm in less than 10 minutes (i believe one of our members took a video of the pwnage, ill see if i can get a link)

There was little downtime bc of the water that many mages can conjure, and a warrior would be helpful for some of the bosses, though we had little problem with the bosses we encountered (kited them, or a ton of healing heh)

So, simply put, a 5 man group of 3 AE mages, a warrior, and a heal specced priest will do phenomenally well, if done right (ie larger than normal pulls etc)

[self]

I would have to say, on your number four, i would have to disagree STRONGLY with self's idea from my experience. I leveled my priest with a 4 man group of 3 mages ArcExp) and me from lvl 24-43 with no problems, no downtime, and couple do most of sm in less than 10 minutes (i believe one of our members took a video of the pwnage, ill see if i can get a link)

How does that, disagree with:


It depends what you want to do, if you just want to level, take a warlock, 3 mages and a priest. I've watched my roommate clear BRS up to general with this group, very quickly. If you want to complete the encounters, quests, and not be hung out to try when you're 60, you'll want to go with a more balanced setup.

You seem to be supporting my first 2 sentences.

This may not be obvious at level 40, but some bosses actually get harder than the 2 nameds in SM. And some encounters are more complex than tank+dmg. Uldaman is a good example, 3 mage may be able to keep up with the statue spawn, but seems likely they would run oom before the boss is down, and then the statues would overrun the group.

What about the Ring of Ogre to spawn Umokk in LBRS? There's no way 3 mages can sustain the necessary DPS and not run out of mana.

[draeko]

Oops, sorry, i meant #5 of your first post self when you said the downtime was long :shock:

And I do agree, having a warrior there helps, as the bosses only get tougher and tougher, but until around 45-50 you can do it with 3 mages and a priest.

But saying he is a warrior, he won't be doing that . :)

[Firecrak]

Warrior downtime solo is actually pretty high. If you are fighting even level caster mobs, no probs. If you get an add, expect to spend the same amount of time as a mage sitting down eating/bandaging to 75%.

[Inconsiderable]

Warriors:

1. Is it faster to solo grind 1-60 than with a decent instancegroup?

Yes. Shame on Blizzard.


2. What would be the current optimal spec along with weapon of choice for solo grind? If not optimal,then atleast viable ones

Fury or Arms is pretty close, Flurry vs Mortal Strike. Twohand Weapon with mass strength.


3. What would be the current optimal spec along with weapon of choice for grouping? If not optimal,then atleast viable ones

Mortal Strike + 2H for PvP, Instances work without def spec and 1h+shield. If you wanna feel crippled in pvp, go protection spec.


4. Does a instance group consisting of these work well and give a fairly good amount of exp? (Pbaoe maindmg)
- Warrior
- Mage (ArcExp)
- Mage (ArcExp)
- Priest
- Shaman

1 Warlock, 1 Mage - imo


5. Would it be more viable/possible to skip the warrior and use 3 mages instead?

No. But two shamans could work.


6. post in your opinion the best 5-man instance setup.

Priest/Mage/Warrior/Shaman/Hunter is the best possible, imo.


7. Anyone have a tip or two for a good Instance setup and/or guide running somewhere?

Play the game yourself.


8. Protection spec line has a talent for increasing threat generated by attacks. If anyone has tested the difference between having and not having it i would be appreciated to hear some good facts about its worth.

15%. Barely noticeable.